From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 19 22:00:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726AB16A4CF for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:00:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av13-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (av13-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.104]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A88043D31 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:00:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: by av13-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 1A6F537E48; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:00:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.181]) by av13-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3D237E44 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:00:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h201n1fls24o1048.bredband.comhem.se [212.181.162.201]) by smtp4-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AA6F837E42 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:00:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 98706 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Oct 2004 22:00:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:00:31 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: John Baldwin , "M. Warner Losh" , src-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <20041019220031.GA98675@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: John Baldwin , "M. Warner Losh" , src-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20041019071102.GA49717@FreeBSD.org> <20041019073145.GA29746@thingy.tbd.co.nz> <20041019.084324.106215221.imp@bsdimp.com> <200410191541.54269.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <20041019215007.GA13217@VARK.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041019215007.GA13217@VARK.MIT.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/i386/net htonl.S ntohl.S X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:00:35 -0000 On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 05:50:07PM -0400, David Schultz wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2004, John Baldwin wrote: > > On Tuesday 19 October 2004 10:43 am, you wrote: > > > In message: <20041019073145.GA29746@thingy.tbd.co.nz> > > > > > > Andrew Thompson writes: > > > : > I am afraid that recompiling a kernel on i386 will require several > > > : > days. > > > : > > > : Chicken and the egg. To support i386 it must be recompiled, so you would > > > : have to do it on another box anyway. > > > > > > The only people that will seriously want to use i386 these days are > > > the folks that build embedded systems. Those you have to build on > > > some host then deploy to the target system. > > Yes, and very few of those folks are likely to want a relatively > large, non-realtime, monolithic, multi-threaded OS kernel, much > less a userland that even vaguely resembles a standard FreeBSD > installation. > > Every time this issue comes up, someone points out that in fact, > FreeBSD still runs on the 80386 that they just threw out. > However, nobody ever presents an important reason for *wanting* to > run FreeBSD on an 80386. The only reason I am not running FreeBSD on an 80386 is that the PSU in my 80386sx based computer gave up a few months ago (or at least something power-related did.) Until then I was happily running 4.10-stable on it and using it as a firewall/gateway. If it was still working and support for FPU-less systems hadn't been dropped I would have upgraded it to 5-STABLE eventually (along with my main machine.) Why would I want to use such an old machine? Easy - because I had it and couldn't (and still can't) afford to buy a modern machine. I am sure I am not the only one in that position. > Nice. \me can't wait for the day when developers are no longer > required to spend time and effort to support anything older than a PPro. That day will hopefully be far in the future. Personally I don't have anything as modern as a PPro. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se