From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Apr 30 05:23:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC91FC3DAE for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 05:23:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453247F895 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 05:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.98.5_1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 40002132; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:23:27 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w3U5NQwd014685; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:23:27 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w3U5NMw9014682; Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:23:22 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:23:22 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180430052322.GA14629@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180429140256.GA8201@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180429224951.537940ad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180430044253.GA14278@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180430070646.58320fbd.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180430070646.58320fbd.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 05:23:30 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > > > > What alternative to x11/gnome3 can you advise? > > > > > > > > I would like a more lightweight desktop environment, however it MUST > > > > support switching between GUI users without logging out (like > > > > Ubuntu or Windows). > > > > > > > > I tried Mate but it does not seem to be able to switch between users > > > > without logging out (at least the display manager Mate comes with > > > > cannot do that). > > > > > > If remember correctly, both Gnome 2 and Mate _can_ do this. > > > > But I have a virtual box with the Mate metaport installed, and the "switch > > user" button is nowhere to be found in the Mate GUI. > > Two possibilites: > > a) This function has not become part of Mate, but it was part > of Gnome 2; maybe Cinnamon (the other Gnome 2 successor) > has it? > > b) This function needs to be manually added to one of the menus > or bars (via their configuration tools). > You say you use Mate, could I ask you to do me a favour and look how to enable this function in your installation of Mate? [dd] > > I don't have much experience with Gnome 3 because it scared > the fsck out of me after "gnome" defaulted from Gnome 2 to > Gnome 3 - and I switched to Mate. :-) I want to get rid of gnome3 too, I just need functional user switching somewhere else. > > > > > > Additionally, you can probably run a second X server on the > > > same system and switch over for a second session... :-) > > > > > > > That's exactly what gdm from gnome3 does. But I'm looking for an > > alternative to gdm and gnome (and not startx). > > Maybe wdm, the display manager inteded for use with GNUstep, > can be used? Maybe, or maybe not. I'm looking for at least one success story of functional user switching. > > > I have tried the stock xdm to run two separate local X-servers but this > > failed miserably for some reason. Must be some conflict it was unable to > > resolve, but the second X-server would not even start. > > Running two X servers is not a trivial task, but possible > with some work. However, the feature you're requesting should > be available without all the trouble. :-) I thought as much, should be available without all the trouble. But... It surprises me however that nobody has stepped forward and said "I run two local X-servers", or "I use user switching all the time with XXX" - why is that? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859