From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mon Dec 30 19:59:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EE31E8AD6 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 19:59:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from russ.haley@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12b.google.com (mail-il1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47mpDB0GBKz4QRn for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 19:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from russ.haley@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id b15so28684622iln.3 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:59:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hpcVlgo+ttHxJL8/O7TFk7yAoU7YkKqW0P+LLOptX9Q=; b=biBAciPbe5wRGgC/95ej7/lEAaCam64tk+gLuRAIWQsbAbMWbQGygSFsipJOKXsJJu K6y5TwN36KqBKOIIDc6NaninOkhcKggaO6D9KQlR47YXU/rrLfcl3xtRcJUMcEnDfkjr YQWVpVahuLs5oG5b3oyhTrumQ6t85m4ALAgHeL+xkOSd4t37wM1I2Gk+e5Jf98nx6CnO 9hNuPSqlZxO4AYavSt4K7ZTxtBq6SmqEPa7KZAA9NF8DYvhctlmGj/W9x/m/nbR/Z4kp EOmX88piTaS8+NyghDLYL9rB1a1TjYmWD8cyaREMuo47q26yN/zvTLMkhcFnNq3pWDi9 g4Wg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=hpcVlgo+ttHxJL8/O7TFk7yAoU7YkKqW0P+LLOptX9Q=; b=mbfMXk9T4o9liemuxVSAR03kzDMEDUv+qXmbJQwqIYqBjM++1dgpSYzxCXi1ckfVQw KO70f/Hh70aE7sjSiyLJwFl5jA7ZWoApV6SN7WWyNK8evXX5jJPd/isAEcXGBgGXlZSX oUyL7OabFCc88HBjuLTdOLYG3hrt1XwoxWSP9lQx08Gd92X+TYcVwq1/ddRJ9gK9R2jx 0Q0H06x7ORKqfjOhpCj6KVZ/7MORZbkUp2s4fQD/om/niruQgOYvYncgbee5lScoiIn2 R6Kz3Ha7GN9Wr6N2zxcaQcNiq2Fx0wrF0Wi9pge4TgGq741hF5jWBtAsO6Sh/O/PoMD1 fnLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWLsDgx+z3bmxAWH5BqTXK+uxK3NtpF3aVW5R8JgxgXQjDWSGNy EzhJFt8VkplDIGlqaPi/WO3OCyFxf7KLH/6RahIY6pwc X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzFaKlpRmRpupNrZwLQewQ6QRudQB84Zr3DfGQQJoRhd8STRMnQlKlc4J4ZeiXmcKatv21i0jlKBAcB4K4RY9E= X-Received: by 2002:a92:cb11:: with SMTP id s17mr61607307ilo.114.1577735960716; Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:59:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1921981.4WAli8B44Z@no.place.like.home> <20191230013752.GA74518@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: From: Russell Haley Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:59:09 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: exFAT is no longer encumbered To: "freebsd-ports@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47mpDB0GBKz4QRn X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=biBAciPb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of russhaley@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=russhaley@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-7.78), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.15), asn: 15169(-1.87), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 19:59:23 -0000 On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 3:41 AM Carmel NY wrote: > On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 18:51:41 -0700, Adam Weinberger stated: > >On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 6:38 PM Kevin P. Neal > >wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 01:01:52AM -0600, Greg Rivers wrote: > >> > As of last August, Microsoft have relaxed the patent restrictions > >> > on exFAT[1]. > >> > > >> > Can the Makefile LICENSE_PERMS_MSPAT restrictions be removed from > >> > sysutils/fusefs-exfat? Might exFAT make it into the FreeBSD base > >> > system (like msdosfs) one day? > >> > > >> > > >> > [1] > >> > < > https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/opensource/2019/08/28/exfat-linux-kernel/ > > > >> > > >> > >> I'm not sure that counts as a license. IANAL, but I'd like to see an > >> explicit granting of a license to anyone at no cost, and the license > >> needs to be transferable. > >> > >> The way Berkeley eliminated the advertising clause was good. Simply > >> saying "Microsoft is supporting the addition of" doesn't really say > >> anything. It's a statement of corporate direction and nothing else. > > > >Expanding on what Kevin said, > > > https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/mtl/exfat-licensing.aspx > >suggests that (a) exFAT is still patented and restricted as before, > >and (b) GPLv2 licensing was granted only for the Linux kernel module > >that they submitted. > > > >The BSD License grants the ability to use BSD-licensed code in > >commercial products, so I'm not sure that Microsoft would want to > >relax their licensing for us. As Kevin said, IANAL. > > > ># Adam > > I imagine that someone could actually inquire. It would cost nothing > and end this FUD that is surrounding this subject. > > http://aka.ms/celaiplicensing > On my phone the site displays a "Contoso, Ltd." title (That's Microsoft's pretend company for all it's examples). The IP Address resolves to a seemingly non-Microsoft server: waws-prod-bay-059.cloudapp.net [23.99.91.55]. To boot, there is no corporate branding or other links back to the Microsoft site. Forgive me, but it seems like a terrible idea to submit information to that site. > > -- > Carmel >