From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Dec 30 4:15:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04228152D9 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:15:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 7844 invoked from network); 30 Dec 1999 12:15:09 -0000 Received: from userbg36.uk.uudial.com (HELO marder-1.) (62.188.142.156) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 1999 12:15:09 -0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA94695; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:01:45 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:01:45 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: Kent Stewart Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Arcady Genkin Subject: Re: Before I return FreeBSD to the store... Message-ID: <19991230120145.X1290@marder-1> References: <0.8cf3908f.259c43d3@cs.com> <87so0lxaiw.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> <013501bf5288$1e28e650$0400fea9@JADE> <87k8lxx9a5.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> <014501bf528b$631d9c80$0400fea9@JADE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <014501bf528b$631d9c80$0400fea9@JADE> Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Message re-formatted for easy reading] On Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 10:01:58PM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arcady Genkin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: Before I return FreeBSD to the store... > > > > "Kent Stewart" writes: > > > > > > What does the CD-ROM's jumper have to do with installing an > > > > OS? If it worked with other OS's, then it should be deemed > > > > workable, and let the jumper alone. > > > > > > It has a lot to do with it. Some drives aren't detected when > > > they are the only device and jumpered as a slave on the > > > secondary IDE channel. A couple don't want to be the master on > > > the secondary IDE channel but work just fine as a slave behind > > > the HD on the primary IDE channel. My Teac is the master on the > > > secondary IDE channel. The slave on the secondary channel is a > > > WD 3.1GB HD. > > > > > > I looked at all of the IDE CDROM's that I have and the have > > > either 3 or 5 jumper locations. The right three have text above > > > them saying something like (cs or csel), (ma or master), and (sl > > > or slave). > > > > Of course, a CD-Rom must be configured in order to be useful. My > > point was that if this CD-Rom worked with other OS's (as it > > follows from the original message), then the jumper settings would > > have to be left alone. > > You haven't been following the threads on questions. This has been > an on going problem since about 3.1 or 3.2. There are CDROM's that > will work with other OS'es jumpered as a slave but not on FreeBSD. > There have been a couple of CDROM's that will not work as the master > on the secondary but work just fine as a slave on the primary IDE > channel. His CDROM could be one of these drives. > One thing that has come up in these threads that you mention is that the ATAPI specification says that devices shouldn't be configured as a slave without a master (on the same channel). This would suggest that FreeBSD adheres more closely to the ATAPI standard than other OSes. The problem arises because many PC manufacturers (including some big-name ones) persist in setting up the CD-ROM as slave on the secondary channel without a secondary master. The fact that Windows (and apparently Linux) works with this "illegal" configuration doesn't make it any less wrong. > Kent > > > -- > > Arcady Genkin http://www.thpoon.com > > "'What good is my pity? Is not the pity the cross upon which he who > > loves man is nailed?..'" (Zarathustra - F. Nietzsche) > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows too" -Matthew D. Fuller ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message