From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 8 22:48:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226C316A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from web14612.mail.yahoo.com (web14612.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 001B443D2D for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:48:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from plageotakes@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040309064848.40313.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.164.224.160] by web14612.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Mar 2004 22:48:48 PST Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:48:48 -0800 (PST) From: peter lageotakes To: dashevil@sympatico.ca, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040308213955.WTFM18182.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Re: Desktop FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 06:48:49 -0000 --- dashevil@sympatico.ca wrote: > > > > > From: peter lageotakes > > Date: 2004/03/08 Mon AM 02:46:20 EST > > To: dashevil@sympatico.ca > > Subject: Re: Desktop FreeBSD > > > > Hello, > > > > I do agree to an extent with the points that you > are > > addressing. > > > > 1)Desktop *nix is a mistake. > > In general I agree with this statement, however; > > giving users a choice instead of forcing them to > get > > some commercial OS and going through the pains of > > getting a refund (or building your own system). > > 2) Terms like "sucks" should be avoided. Agreed. > > 3) Corporate Desktops / Technical Workstations: > This > > would be an excellent market segment for a *nix > > platform, however; the use of proprietary file > formats > > still prohibits the adoption or widespread use of > > *nix. This has to be approached in a different > manner > > such as promoting universal file format(s)? > > Promoting universal file formats would probably be a > waste of time. The people who make money of their > programs WANT you to be locked into them. They will > not support something that allows their userbase to > migrate that easy. > > > > > 4) *BSD as a desktop: Here are some projects that > > might be of interest: > > > > http://www.ekkobsd.org/ > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/easyos/ > > > > Interview with Rick Collette of the EkkoBSD > project > > > http://bsdvault.net/article.php?sid=776&mode=thread&order=0 > > Interesting desktop/server discussion with mention > of > > a new installer. > > > > I've looked at ekkobsd, and well. Right now it's > just OpenBSD with a new name and a bunch of services > enabled by default. > I don't see them actually contributing anything to > the source base, and with that I don't understand > why they are using the name 'EkkoBSD'. Too much > seperation. > > OpenBSD isn't the best choice for a desktop, as it > is the slowest of the BSDs. FreeBSD with ULE is > DEFINATELY the way to go. > > When EkkoBSD comes out with its GUI installer I'll > definately want to have another look. I still think > that their 'enable everything' methodology is wrong. > > > FreeBSD has an excellent package for a workstation > in > > the ports collection: instant-workstation-1.0_5 > > I have not personnaly used that package, however; > > examining the requirements for the package to get > > installed, it does contain a great deal of tools > and > > utilities that would make it an excellent > candidate > > for a workstation on any corporate desktop. > > > > Is popularity a means to attract Users, Developers > or > > Commercial Support? Is this the avenue that you > are > > pursuing? Just a little curious, just for argument > > sake. > > > > Popularity is a means to attract Users, Developers, > and Commerical Support (although this one is > definately last in my list). FreeBSD is just such a > capable and amazing OS, it bothers me everytime I > see someone turn down the chance to learn/use it > because it was seen as too difficult to setup/use. > > Again, I'm not asking that we change the existing > FreeBSD layout, but merely make an additional CD > that was specifically geared towards workstations. > > Besides, Linux exploited the fact that BSD was in a > legal battle back in the day, what reason do we have > to not take back what was rightfully ours? :) > > > Pete > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I do agree that FreeBSD is an amazing Operating System and would be a great way to go for a desktop system. Various *BSD have their strengths. I referenced EkkoBSD for a potential installer, just tossing out some ideas. Please keep in mind that I do enjoy the current installer, I wouldn't change it. I still have to disagree about file formats which equate to vendor lock-in (IMHO). I will also agree that a little more publicity wouldn't hurt anything either. Being more in the public could do some benefit to the community. Once again these are only my opinions. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com