From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 6 11:06:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A78016A417 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C45013C442 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from epia-2.farid-hajji.net (epia-2 [192.168.254.11]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E456CE0125; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:06:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 04:06:55 -0700 From: cpghost To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20080206110655.GA2410@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> References: <20080206004405.M9353@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20080206011046.GA90081@aleph.cepheid.org> <20080206103009.G2022@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080206103009.G2022@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: www search engines X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:06:59 -0000 On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 10:36:54AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> address. If your ISP is willing to give you up to anyone who asks, >> I'd be worried about more than just Google. >> >> What are the laws in your country like regarding this? > > in our funny country - Poland - law encourages all ISP to record > everything, but the same law doesn't have any punishment for doing so. > > it's actually law created for those who like to monitor everyone, changing > what would be otherwise crime - to requirement. > > As i'm a small ISP myself, i should record EVERYTHING my users transmit. IANA(P)L, but if Poland implements the EU data retention directive 2006/24/EC, its laws should only require ISPs to save connection data, i.e. who communicated with whom and when (source-ip:port, dest-ip:port, time stamp), and who got assigned which IP, but not the data itself (the payload): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_data_retention The main purpose being to enable law enforcement agencies to do traffic analysis and mass surveillance in our brave new Orwellized 1984-esque world. In most EU countries, ISPs are NOT (yet?) required to save the payload itself; and may even be prohibited to do so under privacy / data protection statutes without special overriding court order. As an ISP, you should *really* check with a specialized lawyer and err on the side of caution. Laws can be tricky, wherever you operate. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/