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That's not why I do it, of course. > Unless you need X11 and/or port forwarding, why not try net/mosh? > > mosh uses ssh to bootstrap itself before it switches to a UDP based > protocol running on a port > 60000. mosh is fairly resistant to packet > loss and allows for seamless roaming. Roaming is limited to IPv4 or > IPv6, depending on which protocol you chose when you did the initial > connect. The use of screen or tmux is highly recommended. More > information here: https://mosh.org I can second this. It works really nicely, especially when working on a mobile connection / on the go. 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When I boot from that SSD, it works fine on an older machine, but doesn't work on my Dell Latitude. I've tried changing some Bios settings, but that hasn't helped. I was thinking about dual booting the Dell a week or so ago, but decided to try having the OSes on separate drives. Thanks for ideas on how to figure it out. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 9 07:04:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C705B15BFC18 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2019 07:04:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anders@jensenwaud.com) Received: from mail-pl1-x629.google.com (mail-pl1-x629.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::629]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D4CD8D371 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2019 07:04:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anders@jensenwaud.com) Received: by mail-pl1-x629.google.com with SMTP id go2so2387021plb.9 for ; Sun, 09 Jun 2019 00:04:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jensenwaud-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=dS2c6UL0tWn3O5G6fk/9HWFfHjfRr8gN6hKl0Ulj270=; b=1Q9r7PLyZr7wuT6c/hXEzh0COnP7n/kdwOkZV1MDbtxMvWGoG0lUKf8/rWbHilFRwd wuPcUF7bbci8kVpf9f3llGYb4txvlVmZ6KW4/vczvORs02RR8H97V29qQW5Lnn2Pfo1H 8Mnqv3pMOpNvpdz0EFQBRMzzclZOp7lnp53bg/hk+HbGb0wWc2tQBdKd03HoM3JolUhG XI8Wy0R+VAJbdq7a9deousxisrnU34L3g5S5XDeN8eb/ZXFoI/4qQ70OykGei3SLX92U RnWZxxh3Si3ODDiImL3L+9bMH6xG05Gd7++z99Pvn6YLOV/pKdsTqVcTqJNO71l/gwGz vZkA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=dS2c6UL0tWn3O5G6fk/9HWFfHjfRr8gN6hKl0Ulj270=; b=ekBoZrHMI/V2tnUyRfUXxcGERJ15dcKzgFUw9DNl057yslpBissIXqesobYetvkXos iOIM54mLs/Y/ubfjw3fBK+fCvCFLpLhbEOoHHstx5rth+wAQWsrxs6QVjOVha+7CphAx UVxRaHN5qv/tczBoznv/MO/fN+V+2lgCJrgP/fQAD5qoS3VrPwPlX/VP4/eW+bBHHgg9 fllMYvDJQJ0dqaHctxoEkGGlK/4YdKBlppnZ+lteZrRrPjb/7VN223SruPSD4T3yiyki sk3xqbBpEzAWucOjjfanXk4r3Ac00X/wc9gAclf+RpDki+sFdTsK/7WoYJ+7lNSuDdnp bqrg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVkx25QlvEoHl7mM6AACSOQT6iNB9AxL5mzjRqN0EGHPKZuU7qx rThjBUZwu5cre04iFSH7FuHcS8zYOiCvFg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx3KX/K6S/4bKVzehHTiyf8op06v0vFS3CuPtX2qHKuiCKFia0lMiJv77/56ajVgFp00bXiuQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7883:: with SMTP id q3mr63747505pll.89.1560063875661; Sun, 09 Jun 2019 00:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kennedy.lan ([59.167.161.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z14sm7738388pgs.79.2019.06.09.00.04.33 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 09 Jun 2019 00:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Booting from USB To: Brian Wood , FreeBSD Questions References: From: Anders Jensen-Waud Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 17:04:30 +1000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4D4CD8D371 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=jensenwaud-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=1Q9r7PLy X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.14 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[jensenwaud-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.850,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[jensenwaud.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt1.aspmx.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[jensenwaud-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[9.2.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.98)[ip: (-9.37), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.19), asn: 15169(-2.28), country: US(-0.06)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2019 07:04:39 -0000 On 9/6/19 2:48 pm, Brian Wood wrote: > I installed Trident onto a portable SSD. When I boot from > that SSD, it works fine on an older machine, but doesn't > work on my Dell Latitude. I've tried changing some Bios > settings, but that hasn't helped. > > I was thinking about dual booting the Dell a week or so ago, > but decided to try having the OSes on separate drives. > Thanks for ideas on how to figure it out. Does the new machine use EFI? How far in the boot process does it go? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 9 09:18:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1A915C2F54 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2019 09:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) Received: from mailrelay3-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (mailrelay3-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com [46.30.210.184]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D24BF69E75 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2019 09:18:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=smormegpa.no; s=20140924; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:to:from:subject:message-id:from; bh=7bBpiHrLlDKj2RuwWgxuuEbsdGfiTCssY7qMICeWwVk=; b=FWxnoGSwQ7xBrBGcwrs9wdY/YwCLbnI3n4Vg0QRmH5hZBLjsuKDNmtOjKpxxtbveGJ8QQoVWsjaWD YM1oieRbWqCZ6lxrTOP06ldp5Y2VmLlbmps042rd2FO1kty+ZDEJkyPRO+jcA/buoSHnnet5E6z6DO hBYFxtdikhDaPchE= X-HalOne-Cookie: 81c048867690796451bb60ce43caef0daf1fdcf9 X-HalOne-ID: 37a52c5d-8a95-11e9-a0e1-d0431ea8bb03 Received: from phlatboks (unknown [85.166.11.66]) by mailrelay3.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 37a52c5d-8a95-11e9-a0e1-d0431ea8bb03; Sun, 09 Jun 2019 09:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Booting from USB From: Matthias Oestreicher To: Anders Jensen-Waud , Brian Wood , FreeBSD Questions Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2019 11:01:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D24BF69E75 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=smormegpa.no header.s=20140924 header.b=FWxnoGSw X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.52 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[smormegpa.no:s=20140924]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.935,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.991,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[smormegpa.no]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.09)[0.093,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[smormegpa.no:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com,mx2.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com,mx3.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[184.210.30.46.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.12)[ipnet: 46.30.208.0/21(0.35), asn: 51468(0.27), country: DK(-0.02)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:51468, ipnet:46.30.208.0/21, country:DK]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2019 09:18:07 -0000 I assume your portable SSD is connected to USB and you most probably use a USB pen drive to install as well. What often happens is, that your installation pen drive is /dev/da0 while your portable SSD is /dev/da1 during install. So the installer will add an entry to /etc/fstab that /dev/da1 is where the system should boot from in the future. Now you reboot and remove your pendrive. With the pendrive gone, your SSD will now be /dev/da0, but it tries to boot your newly installed system from /dev/da1..., since that's what in /etc/fstab. You could either drop to the shell after install is finished and fix the entry in /etc/fstab before you reboot and exit the installer, or... Reboot the machine, and when loading fails, at the loader prompt tell the loader something like > UFS:/dev/da0p2 (may be da0p3, depends on what the installer did. in FreeBSD one can type "?" to list devices. I've never used Trident) Then when the system is up, fix /etc/fstab entry from e.g. /dev/da1p2 to /dev/da0p2 Am Sonntag, den 09.06.2019, 17:04 +1000 schrieb Anders Jensen-Waud: > On 9/6/19 2:48 pm, Brian Wood wrote: > > I installed Trident onto a portable SSD. When I boot from > > that SSD, it works fine on an older machine, but doesn't > > work on my Dell Latitude. I've tried changing some Bios > > settings, but that hasn't helped. > > > > I was thinking about dual booting the Dell a week or so ago, > > but decided to try having the OSes on separate drives. > > Thanks for ideas on how to figure it out. > > Does the new machine use EFI? How far in the boot process does it go? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 11 12:36:47 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A11A15B9A6A for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:36:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E8638A045 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:36:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Daily Security is compiling about my backup drive Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 06:36:38 -0600 References: To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <184B84B0-C4F9-4DC5-9F55-98B26422EE37@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3554.18.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9E8638A045 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.22 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.977,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.28)[ip: (-0.97), ipnet: 65.112.0.0/12(-0.34), asn: 209(-0.06), country: US(-0.06)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.covisp.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.56)[-0.559,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:36:47 -0000 On May 31, 2019, at 6:09 AM, @lbutlr wrote: > The Daily Security update email that FreeBS generates is reporting a = lot of error on my /mnt/backup drive (like setuid errors). Is there a = way to let the periodic process ignore this mount point? I=E2=80=99ve been looking for information on how to do this, and have = come up empty. It=E2=80=99s about 1000 lines every day. /etc/periodic/security/100.chksetuid is the file that runs the check, = but I am hesitant to edit the file. I can disable the check entirely /etc/defaults/periodic.conf:security_status_chksetuid_enable=3D=E2=80=9CYE= S" But I only want to exclude /mnt/backup from the check. It appears the = only thing I could do is exclude /usr/local/bin from my backups (which I = can=E2=80=99t do as many of those executables are custom local binaries = and scripts) or to edit the 100.chksetuid file and set $MP manually. --=20 At 20:43 the dome of St. Elvis Cathedral shattered... and the Devil walked the earth again. He'd never really left. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 11 12:57:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A93A15BA3CF for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:57:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DC498AA7A for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:57:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: matthew/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D90242119 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [88.212.184.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A99A5A036 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/A99A5A036; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: Daily Security is compiling about my backup drive To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <184B84B0-C4F9-4DC5-9F55-98B26422EE37@kreme.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:56:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <184B84B0-C4F9-4DC5-9F55-98B26422EE37@kreme.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0DC498AA7A X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.985,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:96.47.64.0/20, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:57:02 -0000 On 11/06/2019 13:36, @lbutlr wrote: > On May 31, 2019, at 6:09 AM, @lbutlr wrote: >> The Daily Security update email that FreeBS generates is reporting a lot of error on my /mnt/backup drive (like setuid errors). Is there a way to let the periodic process ignore this mount point? > > I’ve been looking for information on how to do this, and have come up empty. > > It’s about 1000 lines every day. > > /etc/periodic/security/100.chksetuid is the file that runs the check, but I am hesitant to edit the file. > > I can disable the check entirely > > /etc/defaults/periodic.conf:security_status_chksetuid_enable=“YES" > > But I only want to exclude /mnt/backup from the check. It appears the only thing I could do is exclude /usr/local/bin from my backups (which I can’t do as many of those executables are custom local binaries and scripts) or to edit the 100.chksetuid file and set $MP manually. > If you mount your backup drive nosuid then 100.chksetuid will ignore it. IIRC you can still set the suid bit on a file, but mounting the filesystem nosuid means it will have no effect. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 11 14:06:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D390315BBF8E for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 14:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FC948D272 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 14:06:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Daily Security is compiling about my backup drive Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 08:06:28 -0600 References: <184B84B0-C4F9-4DC5-9F55-98B26422EE37@kreme.com> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <06545D64-E580-42DD-9605-F2472C77B2BC@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3554.18.2) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0FC948D272 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.41 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.978,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.28)[ip: (-0.96), ipnet: 65.112.0.0/12(-0.33), asn: 209(-0.06), country: US(-0.06)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.covisp.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.750,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 14:06:31 -0000 On Jun 11, 2019, at 6:56 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > If you mount your backup drive nosuid then 100.chksetuid will ignore = it. IIRC you can still set the suid bit on a file, but mounting the = filesystem nosuid means it will have no effect. Ah, thanks for that. 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[21.123.147.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 14:07:49 -0000 --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, context: FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE r341666 GENERIC arm Does freebsd-update only work with amd64? I tried using it on generic 12-R raspberry pi2b: # freebsd-update fetch src component not installed, skipped Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. Fetching public key from update1.freebsd.org... failed. Fetching public key from update4.freebsd.org... failed. Fetching public key from update2.freebsd.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. There's no mention of it being unavailable for certain architectures (where I'd expect to find this information: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html ) what am I missing? thanks, --=20 J. --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl0BByAACgkQs8o7QhFz NAW9aw//WADROLZmX02yYjkzI3FCCe7NcFbag1Pb4SF75PCOM3wpwcInR4w4qdho KVBU+hexp7yto4a5jzW33eDe1FxdoPyiS7ghs4WJjk6mk6p8CwReh3MTbrzcJYm7 aQRoexCvW56Pn62Ia3adIBxpyHWOat1z4YEEjxihhnNIgtESu4IxKrBa3ngrlxeS UWr9eFC75ZAryAkU2M2uHuhRpNfhImdlW4OFo/5AAfy7Z368/H8qjI/qxkDR9TIx fVIi8DynZwj3BOR9niUxTCJz2bIbYbRphe5+Er5Izv9xMMAk6PuYGRFTzQAagFT+ /KHcTc4D/EZQwOazLZkZ2y5JqssfTZcSDzz+g2ZJEIs+0hoeCwwB1rD6vtygoEao OcTCfaKLkSL2XBPlrkf4uSd8tErJ6UK5F/IUnnsK9nJsVwtnIQAt4ZYGY3Y4HnvT WpJ2Bk6Te0E6+oyZFXbMcz0Qy+uW5lC4L+s/6oJQLLICkei5McDMJOm/fiE1ucy4 /6CTEeyfudg3eBER4QA4XnE5FQz9W0El3Eobrml7rPFEoJNBfkMl9kXsZRv5xfaM vbvj2fJNlaWiuBPlt5cAfLbxs6o7FUDezTgugzXfEhPIEDPdAB/ivnEUN3yfCfrD 2DPxUa1+kngbJhxQMekCqQ9sbBwd8JAeJwsIrHxbN5W4pKPNgmA= =yfKg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 12 14:12:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C9015B7EFB for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 14:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joneum@FreeBSD.org) Received: from toco-domains.de (mail.toco-domains.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:151:4202::3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90B237741A for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 14:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joneum@FreeBSD.org) Received: by toco-domains.de (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9BE1414FD3; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:12:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on toco-mail X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from track.home.jochen-neumeister.de (p5B0FD431.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.15.212.49]) by toco-domains.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3DE7414FC0; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:11:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: freebsd-update query To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, tech-lists@zyxst.net References: <20190612140736.GA76883@rpi3.zyxst.net> From: Jochen Neumeister Message-ID: <219135fc-d00e-c54d-d557-1294a982b0b1@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:11:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190612140736.GA76883@rpi3.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: de-DE X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 90B237741A X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[FreeBSD.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/29, country:DE] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 14:12:05 -0000 freebsd-update only work on i386 and amd64. There are a lot of topics about this: https://www.google.com/search?q=freebsd+update+raspberry+pi+site:forums.freebsd.org On 12.06.19 16:07, tech-lists wrote: > Hello, > > context: FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE r341666 GENERIC  arm > > Does freebsd-update only work with amd64? > > I tried using it on generic 12-R raspberry pi2b: > > # freebsd-update fetch > src component not installed, skipped > Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. > Fetching public key from update1.freebsd.org... failed. > Fetching public key from update4.freebsd.org... failed. > Fetching public key from update2.freebsd.org... failed. > No mirrors remaining, giving up. > > There's no mention of it being unavailable for certain architectures > (where I'd expect to find this information: > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html > > ) > > what am I missing? > > thanks, From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 12 14:35:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4299915B853F for ; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 04:11:59PM +0200, Jochen Neumeister wrote: >freebsd-update only work on i386 and amd64. > >There are a lot of topics about this: >https://www.google.com/search?q=3Dfreebsd+update+raspberry+pi+site:forums.= freebsd.org ok thanks for that. But why is it not in the manual? 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I check my ip address on mxtoolbox.com fairly regularly - my IP never appears on a blacklist. So now I'm thinking whitelist - but I don't have the money to lay out for this type of thing - at least not a large amount. Anyone have a suggestion as to how to resolve my problem? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 12 16:30:50 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C925D15BB86F for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:30:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noeldude@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw1-xc2f.google.com (mail-yw1-xc2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 618F284760 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:30:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noeldude@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yw1-xc2f.google.com with SMTP id y185so7049932ywy.8 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:30:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=sr4HtrKB7FdfcSvXGjZlnb6Y6fJM2rv5MYJrhr+maEg=; b=VAq0ZOlw11oh/+ASkTWi6+lQdQUvDcBCwy0SlJd1akAnfo0+rRr5xj5HSts/Q7iEj3 lk+ZTkNGQsXfLvnrJxmSC1CsxcKUVQM2pWgIgs7ru3kwupmdbxY4Lpp7hhTux2n+5hfu mJd3cL5P04HeLFRxlw7/o6AuHWydhYxXK7n6avidmJTcq3YkWAE1gTfAPkgPv2nKYlSa yyzbIs+Q7s596k12Mp//9SePzIK+KMtjTRLLgsvql24inCOCdCIV3xzkUR30mQZCz2Qv x5Y4HSi3GBxdb2XEAtxZFHWMygL24qoWjbWOKP67aZzO1tHWDNRPDdpiW3+CK8orI6UN XhyA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=sr4HtrKB7FdfcSvXGjZlnb6Y6fJM2rv5MYJrhr+maEg=; b=FJj/T8edw72eucnHEdqq3tepdHM5UcuMiIry01lZ/Z7bg0CPzt31t0k00HvphQ0ue6 OOtojXmnRZkTGBlemkgIs6wEsnk5NxI2H/4gVbGLwlpoItbDA6uzByvW9o8Wf/Bmopkm sxaivB1PAdg9WQ9DfZkshU3jMG7AFsMmxJcnVsr1xZLYwPEJQyMDm4642I/tI7saL99N GEdU+8BhcOKo+jc+CSDdxtxMvEUUzdO+qibaRpN9ssi5Yea/EEWNsxB7ATarolzHE5HT GhkdzB0YCZZ94q1HD4/aK338T3KSRzPZ7LY5UET2j8jAUVKRMGTKmdhK0JwCYm2GFH8w y9iA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWBP55+VTu3J1eqYKzCWULTZTNuae+Uhen7B7c9YgRSq/cqTDmM 2lChERAfXQoA2MpV+geN7L+MspMA X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxEHH5Ad/5hdIvaKsZ/Sgmigr3tf9GXtRI7ssYhG2qwz+3+wYb5CIDhekgK4ztlGl49AAzBKA== X-Received: by 2002:a81:ee05:: with SMTP id l5mr46487344ywm.245.1560357048607; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.170.52] ([12.244.165.78]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p128sm219364ywp.24.2019.06.12.09.30.47 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: email whitelist suggestions To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190612152808.GA88512@skytracker.ca> From: Noel Message-ID: <185feb1f-abc6-1b1a-e6ad-4ca5cc2d73bf@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 11:30:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190612152808.GA88512@skytracker.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 618F284760 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:30:51 -0000 On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, David Banning wrote: > I changed the IP address for my server recently having changed my ISP, and now mail from my server is getting continuously filtered into peoples spam folders. > > I check my ip address on mxtoolbox.com fairly regularly - my IP never appears on a blacklist. > > So now I'm thinking whitelist - but I don't have the money to lay out for this type of thing - at least not a large amount. > > Anyone have a suggestion as to how to resolve my problem? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" If you have widespread delivery problems, it's probably related to your IP and/or your reverse DNS hostname. Make sure you have a static IP. Make sure you have rDNS and it is not a "generic" DHCP-looking name. Make sure your new IP has fcrdns.  This is a non-issue for web servers, but is vital for sending mail. Make sure you publish SPF records listing your new IP. It's also good to set up DKIM and maybe DMARC, but these are usually secondary concerns. If you need more help, provide more information. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 12 16:32:00 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F6915BBA38 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47B05849B0 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:32:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: matthew/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EDAF4E565 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:31:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from leaf.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:9b0:effa:9db5:9f5e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 77A77A17E for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/77A77A17E; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: email whitelist suggestions To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190612152808.GA88512@skytracker.ca> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:31:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190612152808.GA88512@skytracker.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47B05849B0 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:32:00 -0000 On 12/06/2019 16:28, David Banning wrote: > I changed the IP address for my server recently having changed my ISP, and now mail from my server is getting continuously filtered into peoples spam folders. > > I check my ip address on mxtoolbox.com fairly regularly - my IP never appears on a blacklist. > > So now I'm thinking whitelist - but I don't have the money to lay out for this type of thing - at least not a large amount. > > Anyone have a suggestion as to how to resolve my problem? > I assume you have - ensured your mailserver address is both forward and reverse resolvable in the DNS. Without a valid PTR record you aren't going to have much fun trying to do SMTP - Have updated SPF and DMARC records in the DNS to account for the new IP number - Have waited long enough for all the DNS TTLs to expire and the changed data to populate caches. Whitelisting is unlikely to help you very much. You'll find that all the usual methods to improve deliverability will give you the best results. It's also pretty important that your mail server name doesn't look like its a typical dynamically assigned residential address. Those are marked down by receiving systems on the basis that most e-mail originating from such locations is the result of virus infected hardware. In principle you might run afoul of not having established a good reputation for your new IP. In practice, if you're running a low volume system just for personal e-mail, reputation scoring is pretty unlikely have any effect on you. It's worth checking though. It is always possible that the previous user of your new IP number sent oodles of spam from it and has tarnished its reputation for a long time to come. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 12 16:36:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9641F15BBD17 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:36:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@boosten.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB2984D5E for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:36:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@boosten.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B0A9115BBD0A; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E39115BBD09 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:36:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq1.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 253E684D5D for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:36:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.34.165] (helo=smtpq2.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1hb6E9-0006ap-Ek; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:35:57 +0200 Received: from [212.54.34.120] (helo=smtp12.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1hb6E9-0001TN-Bm; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:35:57 +0200 Received: from 84-25-247-31.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl ([84.25.247.31] helo=ra.boosten.org) by smtp12.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1hb6E9-0004Ma-78; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:35:57 +0200 Received: from amon.boosten.org (Amon.boosten.org [192.168.13.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ra.boosten.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D39563432F3C; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:35:56 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: email whitelist suggestions From: freebsd@boosten.org In-Reply-To: <20190612152808.GA88512@skytracker.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:35:56 +0200 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0B407801-8F7E-44A6-BF67-37FAB6B9428A@boosten.org> References: <20190612152808.GA88512@skytracker.ca> To: David Banning X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SourceIP: 84.25.247.31 X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: 0.0 X-Ziggo-spamreport: CMAE Analysis: v=2.3 cv=VJOjYOHX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JWBJsaPp29SgP5DpYRBqZw==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=dq6fvYVFJ5YA:10 a=i6RhTPCTAAAA:8 a=f7lOjL92AAAA:8 a=V2YFZt2enrjGU_1k0hQA:9 a=2XMyBfEjCIxOcqrn:21 a=eKlCRIhGZoraDwdk:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=LiFPBr6_tZT4bF-YdRav:22 a=t0ex86N1eQbcPUC4q0Qm:22 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 253E684D5D X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[dated,1560785291.62018b] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:36:02 -0000 Op 12 jun. 2019, om 17:28 heeft David Banning = het volgende geschreven: >=20 > I changed the IP address for my server recently having changed my ISP, = and now mail from my server is getting continuously filtered into = peoples spam folders. >=20 > I check my ip address on mxtoolbox.com fairly regularly - my IP never = appears on a blacklist. >=20 > So now I'm thinking whitelist - but I don't have the money to lay out = for this type of thing - at least not a large amount. >=20 > Anyone have a suggestion as to how to resolve my problem? >=20 > _______________________________________________ Hi,=20 Many mailservers see dynamic IP addresses as =E2=80=98bad=E2=80=99 (if = applicable in your case, of course). you could always use your ISPs mail host as a smart relay. Then of course you could have a valid SPF, DKIM and DMARC configuration, = that might help as well. Never had problems after doing all that. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 12 22:10:10 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD55915C322D for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 22:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.107.128.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0378F2F3 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 22:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58E2B192899 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 22:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x5CMA22l053764 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:10:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x5CMA2i3053761 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:10:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:10:02 -0400 (EDT) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: email whitelist suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20190612152808.GA88512@skytracker.ca> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AB0378F2F3 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[doug@safeport.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(2.52)[ip: (6.70), ipnet: 204.107.128.0/24(3.35), asn: 11288(2.60), country: US(-0.06)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[watson.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.991,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[fledge2.watson.org,cyrus.watson.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[30.128.107.204.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.990,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:204.107.128.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 22:10:11 -0000 On Wed, 12 Jun 2019, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 12/06/2019 16:28, David Banning wrote: >> I changed the IP address for my server recently having changed my ISP, and >> now mail from my server is getting continuously filtered into peoples spam >> folders. >> I check my ip address on mxtoolbox.com fairly regularly - my IP never >> appears on a blacklist. >> >> So now I'm thinking whitelist - but I don't have the money to lay out for >> this type of thing - at least not a large amount. >> >> Anyone have a suggestion as to how to resolve my problem? >> > > I assume you have > > - ensured your mailserver address is both forward and reverse > resolvable in the DNS. Without a valid PTR record you aren't > going to have much fun trying to do SMTP > > - Have updated SPF and DMARC records in the DNS to account for the > new IP number > > - Have waited long enough for all the DNS TTLs to expire and the > changed data to populate caches. > > Whitelisting is unlikely to help you very much. You'll find that all the > usual methods to improve deliverability will give you the best results. > > It's also pretty important that your mail server name doesn't look like its a > typical dynamically assigned residential address. Those are marked down by > receiving systems on the basis that most e-mail originating from such > locations is the result of virus infected hardware. > > In principle you might run afoul of not having established a good reputation > for your new IP. In practice, if you're running a low volume system just for > personal e-mail, reputation scoring is pretty unlikely have any effect on > you. It's worth checking though. It is always possible that the previous > user of your new IP number sent oodles of spam from it and has tarnished its > reputation for a long time to come. All the above answers are good advice. I've run moderately busy mail servers since 1995. Lots of changes. That said your minimum requirements IMO: static IP and SPF records. Without the static IP you can not control listing or not by the spam sites. If your IP is assigned by one of the larger ISPs it might take you a while to get it defined as 'clean'. For some of my user's google will tag an email as 'not trusted' without the SPF record. As time goes on more and more will probably do this. Your primary mail server should be a jailed service or a stand-alone system. There are [lots of??] wordpress exploits that send email without any logging. If this happens it will be big deal if you are not the one that finds the breach. Lastly the recipient can always accidently mark your email as spam. Some times you can differentiate that a server level or a user block is the problem but not always. Lastly you can run afoul of the ISPs AI. AOL has deemed me to be spam when my total emails into AOL were less than 500 on that day. G'luck Doug Denault From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 13 10:34:59 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A39915AD552 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 10:34:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from blue.elm.relay.mailchannels.net (blue.elm.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.212.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2C40775C5 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 10:34:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|relay@ozzmosis.com Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28AEB142773; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 10:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a99.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-87-96.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.87.96]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 300311425AE; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 10:34:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|relay@ozzmosis.com Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a99.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.17.2); Thu, 13 Jun 2019 10:34:50 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|relay@ozzmosis.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Wipe-Ski: 6d24dfe16c9f5cbf_1560422089756_1677549200 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1560422089756:510293007 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1560422089755 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a99.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a99.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC8F7F942; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 03:34:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=ozzmosis.com; h=date:from :cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; s=ozzmosis.com; bh=PSQYB 7qmT+4Pc9cczOgIUr4j16s=; b=G+BHEzQObybScNrJOyjPBeQOQHurAb8w4P3U7 RnfRI0/X20GQYP7l9gMERuQ3CTkEloiLmumMFiIOz8unmSY/AyAahfIbJmMFPpGu C8ob852DS/xaL+8024xHM1nEcsprcKTp5UQ6dpo3MYQ5h5knwlJ/qllZhd+ozr5Y TssIyw= Received: from blizzard.ozzmosis.com (167-179-139-56.a7b38b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [167.179.139.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: relay@ozzmosis.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a99.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 580847F930; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 03:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B60E8EDA; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:34:44 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:34:44 +1000 X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a99 From: andrew clarke Cc: Amit Yaron , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Editing LSCOLORS Message-ID: <20190613103444.7gw72zjmntu6hy37@ozzmosis.com> References: <20190605044713.nztgi4tfufcnayeu@ozzmosis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190605044713.nztgi4tfufcnayeu@ozzmosis.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -70 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddrudehledgvdekucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnehmihhsshhinhhgucfvqfcufhhivghlugculdeftddmnecujfgurhepfffhuffkfhggtggugfgjfgesthekredttderjeenucfhrhhomheprghnughrvgifucgtlhgrrhhkvgcuoehmrghilhesohiiiihmohhsihhsrdgtohhmqeenucffohhmrghinhepvgigrgdrfigvsghsihhtvgdpghhrvggvrhdrfhhmnecukfhppeduieejrddujeelrddufeelrdehieenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepsghlihiiiigrrhgurdhoiiiimhhoshhishdrtghomhdpihhnvghtpeduieejrddujeelrddufeelrdehiedprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheprghnughrvgifucgtlhgrrhhkvgcuoehmrghilhesohiiiihmohhsihhsrdgtohhmqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmrghilhesohiiiihmohhsihhsrdgtohhmpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegrmhhithesphhhphgrnhgumhhorhgvrdhnvghtnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A2C40775C5 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ozzmosis.com header.s=ozzmosis.com header.b=G+BHEzQO; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mail@ozzmosis.com designates 23.83.212.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mail@ozzmosis.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ozzmosis.com:s=ozzmosis.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.04)[-0.043,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:23.83.208.1/20]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.74)[0.739,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ozzmosis.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ozzmosis.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[20.212.83.23.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0]; MISSING_TO(2.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.09)[0.086,0]; IP_SCORE(0.21)[ipnet: 23.83.208.0/21(0.64), asn: 36483(0.51), country: CA(-0.09)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx2.dreamhost.com,mx1.dreamhost.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36483, ipnet:23.83.208.0/21, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 10:34:59 -0000 On Wed 2019-06-05 14:47:13 UTC+1000, andrew clarke (mail@ozzmosis.com) wr= ote: > On Tue 2019-06-04 11:07:00 UTC+0300, Amit Yaron (amit@phpandmore.net) w= rote: >=20 > > Do you know of a nice way to edit the environment variable LSCOLORS i= n > > FreeBSD 12.0? > > I don't want the name of a directory printed in blue on the dark back= ground > > of my terminal. >=20 > There's a handy online LSCOLORS generator by Geoff Greer that I discove= red a > few weeks ago: >=20 > https://geoff.greer.fm/lscolors/ >=20 > FreeBSD's ls is a bit limited, but GNU ls can be installed with the > sysutils/coreutils port. Quick update: I've since discovered exa, an alternative to ls. "exa is an improved file lister with more features and better defaults. I= t uses colours to distinguish file types and metadata. It knows about symlinks, extended attributes, and Git. And it=E2=80=99s small, fast, and= just one single binary." https://the.exa.website/ It's at sysutils/exa in the FreeBSD ports tree. 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Tallwood Avenue Blacksburg, VA 24060 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 14 07:35:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B6615C91A7 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 07:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2AD487EB5 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 07:35:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x5E7Yskh002406 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:34:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1560497694; bh=951BJbUev4YgDqcrUA4di65K+KvaEDmKyB4GDNcM5rI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=kviXjTv1x7bCAdkMLbE61SnRaJAWSjFjQ11fFOytvxTSw7eSwDdhLY9A94OMlPxP8 Yx/OHV4yirzz1pWfiY2SUQ2vFp2ef6a++EuCFKQ3S3xi24k7+MdXlr0ki9OQOShP9f HV2hKFzFe9olQI7s2BZxjeyDI50LTHIQKbqrwTFZP1j/9030mtibz1SmovnieRJ1NC xYF3uIpC/pSLqqiLoyFT7CyAxHqeAZX6LQFzAA0H5lUIYcDQb4CadOCsyJCAoO63CL ZkDQOWqwvpvfNlfIQN9vEXmDX136wPzFE8DBEt//r6SY62l9/Ff2O0ruOSw8Hfpspm 7/MVp3uCo53bw== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x5E7Ys4j002403 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:34:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:34:54 +0200 (CEST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Lenovo Thinkpad E590T and AMD Radeon RX 550X (Intel UHD Graphics 620) Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on enterprise.ximalas.info X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 07:35:04 -0000 Hi, I'm contemplating buying a Lenovo Thinkpad E590T. I will be dual-booting Windows 10 and FreeBSD stable/12. I'm considering adding 16 GiB of memory for a total of 32 GiB, and swap the 512 GB NVMe SSD in favour of a 1 TB NVMe SSD. Is this laptop a wise choice? The laptop has both AMD Radeon RX 550X and Intel UHD Graphics 620. I didn't find anything conclusive on https://www.x.org/wiki/radeon/. Maybe I'm simply blind. Is the Radeon RX 550X GPU supported by X.org and a particular driver? Does the presence of Intel UHD Graphics 620 cause any known issues? Any other thoughts on Lenovo Thinkpad E590T? -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 14 08:13:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D9B15C9EF5 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:13:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markand@malikania.fr) Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr (smtp11.smtpout.orange.fr [80.12.242.133]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA62088F36 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markand@malikania.fr) Received: from postfix.malikania.fr ([5.135.187.121]) by mwinf5d34 with ME id QYCv2000o2dbEiD03YCvtW; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:12:56 +0200 X-ME-Helo: postfix.malikania.fr X-ME-Auth: ZGVtZWxpZXIuZGF2aWRAb3JhbmdlLmZy X-ME-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:12:56 +0200 X-ME-IP: 5.135.187.121 Received: from [167.3.108.158] (unknown [77.159.242.243]) by postfix.malikania.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C0A1E220DA5 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:12:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Lenovo Thinkpad E590T and AMD Radeon RX 550X (Intel UHD Graphics 620) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Demelier Message-ID: <186513e9-279c-b684-9f57-a01660cf7018@malikania.fr> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:12:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: BA62088F36 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:13:04 -0000 Le 14/06/2019 à 09:34, Trond Endrestøl a écrit : > I'm considering adding 16 GiB of memory for a total of 32 GiB, and > swap the 512 GB NVMe SSD in favour of a 1 TB NVMe SSD. NVMe is definitely awesome in terms of speed. My laptop boots in less than 3 seconds (but not running FreeBSD though). > The laptop has both AMD Radeon RX 550X and Intel UHD Graphics 620. I > didn't find anything conclusive on https://www.x.org/wiki/radeon/. > Maybe I'm simply blind. > TBH, I'd avoid double graphic cards. They are known to cause troubles on non Windows OSes. Even Linux has troubles with them (but mostly nvidia). > Is the Radeon RX 550X GPU supported by X.org and a particular driver? I don't think there are known problem with radeons cards. But some other comments are welcome. > Does the presence of Intel UHD Graphics 620 cause any known issues? Intel is pretty much working out of the box. > Any other thoughts on Lenovo Thinkpad E590T? I personally have a X1 carbon 4th gen (2016) and I just love it. Thinkpads are very good laptops with extreme good consumer support. I've looked on the french lenovo market and could not find E590T, only E590. So I don't know the differences. I'd personally recommend one with the WQHD resolution rather than full hd (2560x1440) because it's just awesome. HTH, -- David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 14 08:19:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BF215CA085 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:19:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) Received: from mailrelay3-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (mailrelay3-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com [46.30.210.184]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 688B4890C6 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:19:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=smormegpa.no; s=20140924; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:to:from:subject:message-id:from; bh=0nGjWhg96U5qdWP4mvQe4l9h/qyrdAoDg302wGjdJPY=; b=i/A4HT13w9ekRStxjZ3OXM8a/mEa1hLHCeK31wMj1hvdrr2asSWSIbSrtDhAryRz4esgl3waqmH2U xXz7ss4FvSfstCAm3I8P3XQkyJDpSOkB7vXcYjGn2A9q+w7obfhmF7vxO6UgEh7emBsaF+QYmb05YO NNoyRnDXnJn0/BHI= X-HalOne-Cookie: 800bc8b61bfe9ad9e84decbaba9f434cb896f770 X-HalOne-ID: 0ee9f47a-8e7d-11e9-a0e4-d0431ea8bb03 Received: from picadelly.monsieur.mathieu (unknown [85.166.11.66]) by mailrelay3.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 0ee9f47a-8e7d-11e9-a0e4-d0431ea8bb03; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lenovo Thinkpad E590T and AMD Radeon RX 550X (Intel UHD Graphics 620) From: Matthias Oestreicher To: Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Endrest=F8l?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:19:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 688B4890C6 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.958,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:19:08 -0000 Am Freitag, den 14.06.2019, 09:34 +0200 schrieb Trond Endrestøl: > Hi, > > I'm contemplating buying a Lenovo Thinkpad E590T. I will be > dual-booting Windows 10 and FreeBSD stable/12. Why stable? > > I'm considering adding 16 GiB of memory for a total of 32 GiB, and > swap the 512 GB NVMe SSD in favour of a 1 TB NVMe SSD. > > Is this laptop a wise choice? I'd advice against using a laptop for storage. > > The laptop has both AMD Radeon RX 550X and Intel UHD Graphics 620. I > didn't find anything conclusive on https://www.x.org/wiki/radeon/. > Maybe I'm simply blind. Switchable graphics are not supported in FreeBSD. You will hopefully be able to disable one of the graphic adapters in the laptop's BIOS(UEFI), but if I where you, I would rather grab a model with Intel integrated graphics only. Do you want to game on Windows? > > Is the Radeon RX 550X GPU supported by X.org and a particular driver? The kms drivers graphics/drm-kmod has at least modules for Polaris 12, thats what the 550x is build upon according to Wikipedia. Looks good. % ls /boot/modules | grep -i polaris12 amdgpu_polaris12_ce_2_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_ce_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_k_mc_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_k_smc_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_mc_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_me_2_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_me_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_mec_2_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_mec_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_mec2_2_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_mec2_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_pfp_2_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_pfp_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_rlc_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_sdma_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_sdma1_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_smc_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_uvd_bin.ko amdgpu_polaris12_vce_bin.ko Though, I don't follow the development and the there may exist issues. Anyway, most Polaris based graphics cards work very well as far as I know, but I've seen people complain about issues. Last thing I seen on the forums was someone had a problem that the screen remained black. That was Polaris 8 on a Ryzen processor, which isn't supported as well as the higher end models as far as my knowledge goes. > Does the presence of Intel UHD Graphics 620 cause any known issues? Well supported by graphics/drm-kmod > > Any other thoughts on Lenovo Thinkpad E590T? I havn't had any recent Thinkpad models myself, but I would always prefer a used T-series over a E-series. Even though the E-series should be quite fine as well compared to all other laptops series from Lenovo which I wouldn't even touch with pliers. You will most likely have to swap the wireless device. 😉 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 14 08:37:26 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E24F15CA644 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C0EA899E4 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:37:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x5E8bJBT038904 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:37:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1560501440; bh=ysXK3BmFfQwuKPsbxmOGV5kuW4OzNXXCvM36OyQJ7Lc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=BG40x4S2Y891oZfajF+tjFeCIf22t4FhEf32HmUj7XuKAlUpYtfFpsIOb7o4wXoaQ sSMDGY/aQzJNdtYxYmtMwu47SlGY3he5paXobIXlU+TqetTMUNn19EiixhR/mwZTB/ VdbkERSMckTFdVpBuQoUqssbRiKGCSZAAWs4Dmc0NoVhqxys8xJ5NuWD+97eOJ0gHv Xw0ilPnNO5Yw987kJaS/drfV5XBYkb7h2amUY5dC0ox0vz48fU1SAVodyNBIdCrS3A gK0yxSsc76+IawuzvrwLGHn/7JWD7jPHcgTDzng03lxImDNcYfhCq2prwWGOSxxzfI pRaUzE7a2WjuQ== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x5E8bJix038877 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:37:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:37:19 +0200 (CEST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lenovo Thinkpad E590T and AMD Radeon RX 550X (Intel UHD Graphics 620) In-Reply-To: <186513e9-279c-b684-9f57-a01660cf7018@malikania.fr> Message-ID: References: <186513e9-279c-b684-9f57-a01660cf7018@malikania.fr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on enterprise.ximalas.info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:37:26 -0000 On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:12+0200, David Demelier wrote: > Le 14/06/2019 à 09:34, Trond Endrestøl a écrit : > > I'm considering adding 16 GiB of memory for a total of 32 GiB, and > > swap the 512 GB NVMe SSD in favour of a 1 TB NVMe SSD. > > NVMe is definitely awesome in terms of speed. My laptop boots in less than 3 > seconds (but not running FreeBSD though). > > > The laptop has both AMD Radeon RX 550X and Intel UHD Graphics 620. I > > didn't find anything conclusive on https://www.x.org/wiki/radeon/. > > Maybe I'm simply blind. > > > > TBH, I'd avoid double graphic cards. They are known to cause troubles on non > Windows OSes. Even Linux has troubles with them (but mostly nvidia). Running FreeBSD as a VM in VirtualBox is still an option. > > Is the Radeon RX 550X GPU supported by X.org and a particular driver? > > I don't think there are known problem with radeons cards. But some other > comments are welcome. > > > Does the presence of Intel UHD Graphics 620 cause any known issues? > > Intel is pretty much working out of the box. > > > Any other thoughts on Lenovo Thinkpad E590T? > > I personally have a X1 carbon 4th gen (2016) and I just love it. Thinkpads are > very good laptops with extreme good consumer support. > > I've looked on the french lenovo market and could not find E590T, only E590. > So I don't know the differences. I'd personally recommend one with the WQHD > resolution rather than full hd (2560x1440) because it's just awesome. Here's the one I have in mind, sadly the webpage is only in Norwegian: https://www.komplett.no/product/1124176/pc-nettbrett/pc-baerbar-laptop/alle-baerbare-pc-er/lenovo-thinkpad-e590t-156-full-hd# Thank you for your input. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 14 09:17:58 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F039215CB55E for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:17:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25AD78ABF3 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:17:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x5E9Hp09038756 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 11:17:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1560503872; bh=Ns3yQ4oG9Vb+NAM1lIu0p7hwx8vPK3xMI9MWTR3RWvg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=mqDQS9iRKmR+n0WyP2HBp0yvPjglMVhgif1l4mGysruN8aQ4Mb0CaLcGUj0kPuJup AAWfovshW7kxdNONKX5qYRk5qclbaJH79bRRHT/HdqXTJ58pV2wI0ss0xsf5EgYL1x u+vYKpTmygdJg9E9lX1Ch4VUC4sPlR79IryyPnoNBzfa7PkbFtKJNkuVun4bdBEV0L hQkYoGKDH47EQJcpD7pcI/zu3lV1Ca9fkwPHIVbSiTdmZp8iI5rHcqHi2kqX8li3T9 GjgIdSR3ZSUhwU11b5lS7TLZsikmtLnyAbUfLkYY3NgOxsJUPmjk2mljnYJgsQtal0 bDv0AxbIFL6Gg== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x5E9HpoD038752 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2019 11:17:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 11:17:51 +0200 (CEST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lenovo Thinkpad E590T and AMD Radeon RX 550X (Intel UHD Graphics 620) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on enterprise.ximalas.info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:17:58 -0000 On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:19+0200, Matthias Oestreicher wrote: > Am Freitag, den 14.06.2019, 09:34 +0200 schrieb Trond Endrestøl: > > Hi, > > > > I'm contemplating buying a Lenovo Thinkpad E590T. I will be > > dual-booting Windows 10 and FreeBSD stable/12. > > Why stable? I'm running stable on my work laptop. Of course, I could be at the forefront and run current. Or should I stick to -RELEASE? > > I'm considering adding 16 GiB of memory for a total of 32 GiB, and > > swap the 512 GB NVMe SSD in favour of a 1 TB NVMe SSD. > > > > Is this laptop a wise choice? > > I'd advice against using a laptop for storage. Well, I don't plan on storing anything I can't afford to lose. I'm doubling the storage capacity to have enough space for both operating systems, some software, my Dropbox account, working copies of base and ports, and obj, distfiles, packages, etc. > > The laptop has both AMD Radeon RX 550X and Intel UHD Graphics 620. I > > didn't find anything conclusive on https://www.x.org/wiki/radeon/. > > Maybe I'm simply blind. > > Switchable graphics are not supported in FreeBSD. You will hopefully be > able to disable one of the graphic adapters in the laptop's BIOS(UEFI), > but if I where you, I would rather grab a model with Intel integrated > graphics only. Do you want to game on Windows? Yeah, that's part of my reasons for choosing this laptop. In addition I want a 15.6 inch display and a numerical keyboard. The graphics subsystem should be powerful enough to run Farming Simulator 19, Supreme Commander, Unreal Tournament 3, and a handful of astronomy related software, with good performance. > > Is the Radeon RX 550X GPU supported by X.org and a particular driver? > > The kms drivers graphics/drm-kmod has at least modules for Polaris 12, thats > what the 550x is build upon according to Wikipedia. Looks good. > > % ls /boot/modules | grep -i polaris12 > amdgpu_polaris12_ce_2_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_ce_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_k_mc_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_k_smc_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_mc_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_me_2_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_me_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_mec_2_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_mec_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_mec2_2_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_mec2_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_pfp_2_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_pfp_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_rlc_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_sdma_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_sdma1_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_smc_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_uvd_bin.ko > amdgpu_polaris12_vce_bin.ko > > Though, I don't follow the development and the there may exist issues. > Anyway, most Polaris based graphics cards work very well as far as I know, > but I've seen people complain about issues. Last thing I seen on the forums > was someone had a problem that the screen remained black. That was Polaris 8 > on a Ryzen processor, which isn't supported as well as the higher end models > as far as my knowledge goes. > > > Does the presence of Intel UHD Graphics 620 cause any known issues? > > Well supported by graphics/drm-kmod > > > Any other thoughts on Lenovo Thinkpad E590T? > > I havn't had any recent Thinkpad models myself, but I would always prefer a > used T-series over a E-series. Even though the E-series should be quite fine > as well compared to all other laptops series from Lenovo which I wouldn't > even touch with pliers. > You will most likely have to swap the wireless device. Right, the Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 9260 should be replaced by a Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265, or maybe something else. Any recommendations? Thank you for your input. -- Trond. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: silent disk drive Message-ID: <20190615000134.GA31519@exoflux.speedport.ip> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.3 (2019-02-01) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EFFD885A5E X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=cUPNxDHu; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of exoflux@posteo.net designates 185.67.36.65 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=exoflux@posteo.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.46 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[posteo.net:s=2017]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.67.36.0/23]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[posteo.net:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx01.posteo.de,mx03.posteo.de,mx04.posteo.de,mx01.posteo.de,mx03.posteo.de,mx04.posteo.de]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[posteo.net,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[65.36.67.185.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.969,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-1.79)[ipnet: 185.67.36.0/23(-4.96), asn: 8495(-3.96), country: DE(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8495, ipnet:185.67.36.0/23, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 00:01:50 -0000 Hello, thanx for having this group, my question: how do I find out which process is writing every minute to the disk drive so that it wakes up the hard drive. I am using a gerneric installation 12.0 and types camcontrol sleep ada0 Every time I do that it will wake up afer some 60 sec. and writes somewhere I cannot find out. Do you know something helpful? It#s that I like the silence to read... greet Matthias From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 15 03:48:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262A815BA109 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 03:48:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from qbasic1997@outlook.com) Received: from APC01-HK2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092255100.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.255.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B483A8B954 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 03:48:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from qbasic1997@outlook.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; 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R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.76)[ip: (-8.96), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.46), asn: 15169(-2.31), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[9.2.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 04:13:07 -0000 Hello, I'm trying to get Dovecot going on my system. It's a FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE system and it's running dovecot 2.3 via ports in a jail. I'm getting the same error message(s) as in this bug report, which has been marked as closed: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225078 Dovecot is not starting at all in this jail when starting with service dovecot start. A service dovecot status also reveals the error message about /var/run/dovecot/dovecot.conf file, but a doveconf -n does not reveal any configuration file issues. I did put a symlink in /var/run/dovecot to /usr/local/etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf, this did not correct the issue. Any suggestions welcome. Thanks. Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 15 05:21:26 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEEC15BC3D5 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 05:21:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) Received: from mailrelay2-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (mailrelay2-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com [46.30.210.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E1058E555 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 05:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=smormegpa.no; s=20140924; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:to:from:subject:message-id:from; bh=9BdBV8XFcygmsaQag3k+Ni+NBrmXJbEXdM5Da3T6SJM=; b=gArYcOItOmrgCNBE0cp613FCwfgHo8Q8jISoOoFCHMuBtPLOkbKTgyGZscqr/DedNexYYYiUEuUOV Y3moujhxlyqcBMr5/qhliQIxtgCWrD9dTkIep8Rw/5qMRWEF9eNV8ot1kVYa1FF4vDd2mqGYDi6C6j Ia6QwpcUajwwgZI4= X-HalOne-Cookie: 9a87700132bb23a17e46d2b2878d8935bd07b617 X-HalOne-ID: 2734cdd6-8f2b-11e9-81ca-d0431ea8a290 Received: from picadelly.monsieur.mathieu (unknown [85.166.11.66]) by mailrelay2.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 2734cdd6-8f2b-11e9-81ca-d0431ea8a290; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 05:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <6b549501505f421e8ac05fe83ccbaba77c1edf79.camel@smormegpa.no> Subject: Re: silent disk drive From: Matthias Oestreicher To: "Matthias R." , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 07:05:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20190615000134.GA31519@exoflux.speedport.ip> References: <20190615000134.GA31519@exoflux.speedport.ip> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1E1058E555 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=smormegpa.no header.s=20140924 header.b=gArYcOIt X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[smormegpa.no:s=20140924]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.85)[-0.855,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[smormegpa.no]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.23)[0.225,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[smormegpa.no:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[183.210.30.46.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com,mx2.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com,mx3.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.12)[ipnet: 46.30.208.0/21(0.34), asn: 51468(0.26), country: DK(-0.02)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:51468, ipnet:46.30.208.0/21, country:DK]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 05:21:26 -0000 Am Samstag, den 15.06.2019, 02:01 +0200 schrieb Matthias R.: > Hello, > thanx for having this group, my question: how do I find out which process is writing > every minute to the disk drive so that it wakes up the hard drive. I am using a > gerneric installation 12.0 and types > camcontrol sleep ada0 > Every time I do that it will wake up afer some 60 sec. and writes somewhere I cannot > find out. > Do you know something helpful? It#s that I like the silence to read... Are you trying to make the disk sleep that you run FreeBSD on? If yes, it will most likely be cron, checking the crontab files. It does that every minute. Setting the hard disk to sleep is the wrong approach in your case. I'd rather suspend-to-ram the computer, by running 'acpiconf -s3'. The whole computer will then sleep until you touch the keyboard/move mouse. In most cases, suspend does not require any configuration, but sometimes it needs some BIOS or sysctl changes (and it does not work at all if you have Nvidia graphics). 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Sat, 15 Jun 2019 05:44:41 +0000 Received: from x2f48b6b.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([2.244.139.107]) by smtp402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7c078320ea5597867d005af17a41aeaa for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 05:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 07:44:38 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: silent disk drive Message-ID: <20190615074438.4d083ce1@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20190615000134.GA31519@exoflux.speedport.ip> References: <20190615000134.GA31519@exoflux.speedport.ip> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5C0D28F17E X-Spamd-Bar: ++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.17 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net]; 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I am using a gerneric >installation 12.0 and types camcontrol sleep ada0 Every time I do that >it will wake up afer some 60 sec. and writes somewhere I cannot find >out. Do you know something helpful? It#s that I like the silence to >read... Hi, you could monitor IO processes, but the monitoring tool might wake up drives, too ;), let alone that it not necessarily is a read or write process that wakes up drives. On Linux I experienced a lot of processes that wake up drives, almost all are related to desktop environments and might cause this kind of trouble also on freebsd. A lot of software has got a hard dependency against gvfs for no good reason. I install empty dummy packages, to fulfil those dependencies and getting rid of gvfs. However, even a few processes that aren't related to a desktop environment do the same, for example smartd does, so I don't start it. Sometimes I still use smartctl to manually test my external backup HDDs, but for my desktop PC's internal SSDs the database is anyway useless, so I'm using the proprietary tool provided for Linux, by the vendor of the used SSDs (ocz-ssd-utility). You need to search a little bit, Qt apps suffer from something similar to gvfs, too. I don't know which process it is, but after running k3b, I only can get rid of it by restarting the computer, so I tend to use xfburn nowadays. On my machine even lxpanel did wake up a drive, but upstream fixed it, after the issue was reported by me, see https://github.com/lxde/libfm/commit/994a1e25ba0c3da80575fc002af17ab02e . In sum, mount by command line, avoid desktop features to mount drives and don't use monitoring tools, such as smartd. 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I am using a gerneric installation 12.0 and types > camcontrol sleep ada0 > Every time I do that it will wake up afer some 60 sec. and writes > somewhere I cannot find out. > Do you know something helpful? It#s that I like the silence to read... Because actual disk writes are "many levels down" from file handling within programs, it's not trivial to tell, but there are several ways to find out. Tools like lsof, top -St, htop can give you an impression of what programs cause disk activity. But always remember that actual disk activity is managed by the OS (asynchronous, scheduled, etc.), and just because the kernel issues a "flush this to disk" instruction, it doesn't imply that the disk will do it in the exact same moment. :-) Additionally, minimize your workload as much as possible first, then begin starting services and programs. This makes sure you have better changes identifying the program that causes the disk activity. Finally, you can use smartctl to check if the disk has been (accidentally) put into some case of "self-testing cycle" which causes activity independent from OS and programs. Good luck! -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 15 14:20:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064EC15C8738 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 14:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.monacelli@icloud.com) Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291401.me.com (ms11p00im-qufo17291401.me.com [17.58.38.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1ADCE76E26 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 14:20:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.monacelli@icloud.com) Received: from [10.0.1.6] (c-73-164-70-89.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [73.164.70.89]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291401.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8EAD2760983; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 14:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Michael Monacelli Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 08:46:07 -0500 Subject: Xorg mac Message-Id: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPad Mail (16F203) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-06-15_08:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=257 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1812120000 definitions=main-1906150135 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1ADCE76E26 X-Spamd-Bar: -------- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.62 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:17.58.0.0/16]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[icloud.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[icloud.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.mail.icloud.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[icloud.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.836,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[43.38.58.17.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[icloud.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:714, ipnet:17.58.32.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[icloud.com:s=04042017]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-1.18)[ip: (-2.27), ipnet: 17.58.32.0/20(-1.07), asn: 714(-2.48), country: US(-0.06)]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[icloud.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; WHITELIST_SPF_DKIM(-3.00)[icloud.com:d:+,icloud.com:s:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 14:20:12 -0000 Hi. 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Michael Sent from my iPad= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jun 15 21:35:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C693D15D05EE for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 21:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AE8E8D046 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 21:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@dismail.de) Received: from dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 3bd3a2b2; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 23:28:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (10.240.26.11 [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 8631fbed; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 23:28:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7692ae9f; Sat, 15 Jun 2019 23:28:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id a0a3d169 (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Sat, 15 Jun 2019 23:28:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 17:28:29 -0400 From: To: Michael Monacelli via freebsd-questions Cc: Michael Monacelli Subject: Re: Xorg mac Message-ID: <20190615172829.0bf2a0c3@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0AE8E8D046 X-Spamd-Bar: ------- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.82 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=201701]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; IP_SCORE(-2.71)[ip: (-9.91), ipnet: 78.46.0.0/15(-1.87), asn: 24940(-1.77), country: DE(-0.01)]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[dismail.de.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx2.dismail.de,mx1.dismail.de]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[icloud.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[134.223.46.78.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 21:35:22 -0000 On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 08:46:07 -0500 Michael Monacelli via freebsd-questions wrote: > Hi. Im getting xorg not detecting displays (2 apple cinema > displays). Are they not supported? Can they be supported? > > Michael > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" What kind of Mac do you have - graphics card? -- by ajtiM ---------------------- FreeBSD 12.0-Release