Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:07:49 +0000 From: Mark Ovens <mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org> To: Alwyn Schoeman <alwyns@littlecruncher.dhs.org> Cc: Kent Stewart <kstewart@3-cities.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Arcady Genkin <a.genkin@utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: Before I return FreeBSD to the store... Message-ID: <19991230130749.Z1290@marder-1> In-Reply-To: <19991230144929.A857@littlecruncher.dhs.org> References: <0.8cf3908f.259c43d3@cs.com> <87so0lxaiw.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> <013501bf5288$1e28e650$0400fea9@JADE> <87k8lxx9a5.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> <014501bf528b$631d9c80$0400fea9@JADE> <19991230120145.X1290@marder-1> <19991230144929.A857@littlecruncher.dhs.org>
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On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 02:49:30PM +0200, Alwyn Schoeman wrote: > Hi, > > I haven't seen the rest of the thread so I can just guess that > this thread has to do with 1 or 2 things namely: > 1) Person can't boot from the cdrom in a certain configuration. > 2) Person can't see the cdrom at all in certain configuration. > > 1).... > I have experienced the same problems trying to boot from a cdrom > that has been set to be secondary slave and sometimes even secondary > master. The problem seems to be sometimes caused by OS but might > also be hardware/BIOS related. NT definitively has this problem (NT > was also the unbootable one with secondary master if my memory > serves me correct), but Linux and other OS's might have the same > problem. Solution, just move your CDROM around until it boots. > > 2)... > The only reason why I should think could happen is if you have no > master on secondary IDE and is trying to use the CDROM as slave. ALL > OS'S should have a problem with this, so DON'T DO IT. > > P.S. When we slam NT its usually out of experience. Please don't slam Linux > if you can't say the same or be objective about it. > I wasn't slamming Linux. I said *apparently*, because others in the thread had reported that Linux worked with this "illegal" configuration. > Thank you > Alwyn Schoeman > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 12:01:45PM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > > [Message re-formatted for easy reading] > > > > On Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 10:01:58PM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Arcady Genkin" <a.genkin@utoronto.ca> > > > To: <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 9:55 PM > > > Subject: Re: Before I return FreeBSD to the store... > > > > > > > > > > "Kent Stewart" <kstewart@3-cities.com> writes: > > > > > > > > > > What does the CD-ROM's jumper have to do with installing an > > > > > > OS? If it worked with other OS's, then it should be deemed > > > > > > workable, and let the jumper alone. > > > > > > > > > > It has a lot to do with it. Some drives aren't detected when > > > > > they are the only device and jumpered as a slave on the > > > > > secondary IDE channel. A couple don't want to be the master on > > > > > the secondary IDE channel but work just fine as a slave behind > > > > > the HD on the primary IDE channel. My Teac is the master on the > > > > > secondary IDE channel. The slave on the secondary channel is a > > > > > WD 3.1GB HD. > > > > > > > > > > I looked at all of the IDE CDROM's that I have and the have > > > > > either 3 or 5 jumper locations. The right three have text above > > > > > them saying something like (cs or csel), (ma or master), and (sl > > > > > or slave). > > > > > > > > Of course, a CD-Rom must be configured in order to be useful. My > > > > point was that if this CD-Rom worked with other OS's (as it > > > > follows from the original message), then the jumper settings would > > > > have to be left alone. > > > > > > You haven't been following the threads on questions. This has been > > > an on going problem since about 3.1 or 3.2. There are CDROM's that > > > will work with other OS'es jumpered as a slave but not on FreeBSD. > > > There have been a couple of CDROM's that will not work as the master > > > on the secondary but work just fine as a slave on the primary IDE > > > channel. His CDROM could be one of these drives. > > > > > > > One thing that has come up in these threads that you mention is that > > the ATAPI specification says that devices shouldn't be configured as a > > slave without a master (on the same channel). This would suggest that > > FreeBSD adheres more closely to the ATAPI standard than other OSes. > > The problem arises because many PC manufacturers (including some > > big-name ones) persist in setting up the CD-ROM as slave on the > > secondary channel without a secondary master. > > > > The fact that Windows (and apparently Linux) works with this "illegal" > > configuration doesn't make it any less wrong. > > > > > Kent > > > > > > > -- > > > > Arcady Genkin http://www.thpoon.com > > > > "'What good is my pity? Is not the pity the cross upon which he who > > > > loves man is nailed?..'" (Zarathustra - F. Nietzsche) > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > -- > > "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture > > that allows you to install Windows too" > > -Matthew D. Fuller > > ________________________________________________________________ > > FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org > > My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ > > mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- "there's a long-standing bug relating to the x86 architecture that allows you to install Windows too" -Matthew D. 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