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Date:      Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:07:49 +0000
From:      Mark Ovens <mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org>
To:        Alwyn Schoeman <alwyns@littlecruncher.dhs.org>
Cc:        Kent Stewart <kstewart@3-cities.com>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Arcady Genkin <a.genkin@utoronto.ca>
Subject:   Re: Before I return FreeBSD to the store...
Message-ID:  <19991230130749.Z1290@marder-1>
In-Reply-To: <19991230144929.A857@littlecruncher.dhs.org>
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On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 02:49:30PM +0200, Alwyn Schoeman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I haven't seen the rest of the thread so I can just guess that
> this thread has to do with 1 or 2 things namely:
> 1) Person can't boot from the cdrom in a certain configuration.
> 2) Person can't see the cdrom at all in certain configuration.
> 
> 1)....
> I have experienced the same problems trying to boot from a cdrom
> that has been set to be secondary slave and sometimes even secondary
> master. The problem seems to be sometimes caused by OS but might
> also be hardware/BIOS related. NT definitively has this problem (NT
> was also the unbootable one with secondary master if my memory
> serves me correct), but Linux and other OS's might have the same
> problem. Solution, just move your CDROM around until it boots.
> 
> 2)...
> The only reason why I should think could happen is if you have no
> master on secondary IDE and is trying to use the CDROM as slave. ALL
> OS'S should have a problem with this, so DON'T DO IT.
> 
> P.S. When we slam NT its usually out of experience.  Please don't slam Linux
> if you can't say the same or be objective about it.
> 

I wasn't slamming Linux. I said *apparently*, because others in the
thread had reported that Linux worked with this "illegal" configuration.

> Thank you
> Alwyn Schoeman
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 12:01:45PM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote:
> > [Message re-formatted for easy reading]
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 10:01:58PM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote:
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Arcady Genkin" <a.genkin@utoronto.ca>
> > > To: <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 9:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Before I return FreeBSD to the store...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > "Kent Stewart" <kstewart@3-cities.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > > What does the CD-ROM's jumper have to do with installing an
> > > > > > OS? If it worked with other OS's, then it should be deemed
> > > > > > workable, and let the jumper alone.
> > > > >
> > > > > It has a lot to do with it. Some drives aren't detected when
> > > > > they are the only device and jumpered as a slave on the
> > > > > secondary IDE channel. A couple don't want to be the master on
> > > > > the secondary IDE channel but work just fine as a slave behind
> > > > > the HD on the primary IDE channel. My Teac is the master on the
> > > > > secondary IDE channel. The slave on the secondary channel is a
> > > > > WD 3.1GB HD.
> > > > >
> > > > > I looked at all of the IDE CDROM's that I have and the have
> > > > > either 3 or 5 jumper locations. The right three have text above
> > > > > them saying something like (cs or csel), (ma or master), and (sl
> > > > > or slave).
> > > >
> > > > Of course, a CD-Rom must be configured in order to be useful. My
> > > > point was that if this CD-Rom worked with other OS's (as it
> > > > follows from the original message), then the jumper settings would
> > > > have to be left alone.
> > > 
> > > You haven't been following the threads on questions. This has been
> > > an on going problem since about 3.1 or 3.2. There are CDROM's that
> > > will work with other OS'es jumpered as a slave but not on FreeBSD.
> > > There have been a couple of CDROM's that will not work as the master
> > > on the secondary but work just fine as a slave on the primary IDE
> > > channel. His CDROM could be one of these drives.
> > > 
> > 
> > One thing that has come up in these threads that you mention is that
> > the ATAPI specification says that devices shouldn't be configured as a
> > slave without a master (on the same channel). This would suggest that
> > FreeBSD adheres more closely to the ATAPI standard than other OSes.
> > The problem arises because many PC manufacturers (including some
> > big-name ones) persist in setting up the CD-ROM as slave on the
> > secondary channel without a secondary master.
> > 
> > The fact that Windows (and apparently Linux) works with this "illegal"
> > configuration doesn't make it any less wrong.
> > 
> > > Kent
> > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Arcady Genkin                                 http://www.thpoon.com
> > > > "'What good is my pity? Is not the pity the cross upon which he who
> > > > loves man is nailed?..'" (Zarathustra - F. Nietzsche)
> > > >
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> > 	that allows you to install Windows too"
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