From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 5 00:23:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971501065694 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:23:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-126.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-126.bluehost.com [67.222.38.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62B078FC1A for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:23:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 7232 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2008 00:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2008 00:23:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=dfAxSyh4nCN3CnUQiaN4m94KK9Ngp4EIVJ0kRPPoLPDhuVJxyrgJelwWf4onZIPg63iIoG9/VjlPP7R+Y8DtS7tJNExoUsklKxSyrJSs5wwXW+XZUl/Rqa/8r7lv0ADD; Received: from frcc-gw1.colostate.edu ([129.19.1.130] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KxWAv-00080g-4o for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:23:09 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:23:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:23:43 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081105002343.GB2742@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <490C0159.3000908@rawbw.com> <20081101163322.B10508@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081101160415.GB14218@rebelion.Sisis.de> <20081101174556.L11029@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <490C955C.2010201@rawbw.com> <490CE7FE.807@hdk5.net> <20081102004812.4faecd38.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081102004812.4faecd38.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 129.19.1.130 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Is KDE4 usable on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:23:11 -0000 --QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 12:48:12AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:36:30 -1000, Al Plant wrote: > > Aloha, > > Try XFCE 3 or 4 for an excellent OS window manager. >=20 > XFCE 3 can be turned into a CDE lookalike if it's desired. > It's very lightweight and still features all the nice things > you know from a UNIX X environment. Zsers coming from CDE > will feel comfortable, if you take the time to tweak the > settings a little bit. Correction: XFCE is very lightweight *compared to KDE and GNOME*. It's pretty hefty compared to a lot of other options -- many of which are comparable, in terms of popularity, to XFCE. >=20 > In my opinion - and that's very individual, you know - WindowMaker > is one of the best window managers around. Fast, lightweight, > easy to configure, excellent keyboard support (that's where the > other ones are lacking), ah, and did I mention it's fast? You > can provide a useful (!) system even on a P1 150 MHz system > with it. No joke. In the medium-to-heavy weight class, WindowMaker is definitely in my top five window managers. There's also a complete "desktop environment" for it comparable to KDE, GNOME, and XFCE desktop environments, in the form of the GNUstep framework and all those applications built on it. It manages to be significantly lighter on resources and better performing than KDE, GNOME, and XFCE. It's quite a bit less "intuitive" to people coming from MS Windows or MacOS, of course, because it emulates NeXTSTEP rather than those other OSes, but if that doesn't bother you, it's an excellent choice in my opinion. It was the first window manager I discovered that did more to stay the heck out of my way than it did to try to help me do things the way someone else decided they should be done. >=20 > If the magic of the tiling window managers opens up to you, > you will even be more productive. Allthough I tried several > of them, their magic wouldn't open up to me... :-) I find wmii to be quite easy to pick up, in general, among tiling window managers. It also allows floating window management, and can even be configured to do that by default rather than the tiling thing, if you so desire. It's currently my second choice window manager, after AHWM (which is *not* a tiling window manager). --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Bill McKibben: "The laws of Congress and the laws of physics have grown increasingly divergent, and the laws of physics are not likely to yield." --QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkQ548ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXt2QCgivZ9nHusezJW3lDgTnign46P TR4AoIKj4Ehk4/8g+VeoSZmxe6dritci =Im6b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/--