Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:39:48 -0500 From: Robert Noland <rnoland@FreeBSD.org> To: Joe Kelsey <joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us> Cc: FreeBSD Stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>, Sebastien Chassot <seba.bsd@sinux.net>, Daniel Bye <freebsd-questions@slightlystrange.org> Subject: Re: xorg 7.4 keyboard localisation (xorg.conf vs hal) Message-ID: <1233603589.1492.27.camel@ferret.2hip.net> In-Reply-To: <4987470D.2090406@zircon.seattle.wa.us> References: <1233506559.1023.16.camel@dhcppc0> <20090201171920.GB69316@torus.slightlystrange.org> <1233510597.1023.20.camel@dhcppc0> <49861DEA.6050000@zircon.seattle.wa.us> <1233539822.1534.68.camel@ferret.2hip.net> <4987470D.2090406@zircon.seattle.wa.us>
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--=-vCppUHqMggD4hWNB03Ez Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 11:18 -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote: > Robert Noland wrote: > > On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 14:10 -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote: > > =20 > >> Sebastien Chassot wrote: > >> =20 > >>> On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 17:19 +0000, Daniel Bye wrote: > >>> =20 > >>> =20 > >>>> On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 05:42:39PM +0100, Sebastien Chassot wrote: > >>>> =20 > >>>> =20 > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> I've upgrade to xorg7.4 and apparently keyboard and mouse are now > >>>>> working with hald. > >>>>> > >>>>> In xorg.conf changing "old" keybord config as no effect and I can't= find > >>>>> how change it with hal. I've got /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/* but no > >>>>> *keymap* and I don't know how build such a file. > >>>>> =20 > >>>>> =20 > >>>> This should get you started: > >>>> > >>>> <?xml version=3D"1.0" encoding=3D"ISO-8859-1"?> > >>>> <deviceinfo version=3D"0.2"> > >>>> <device> > >>>> <match key=3D"info.capabilities" contains=3D"input.keyboard"> > >>>> <merge key=3D"input.xkb.layout" type=3D"string">gb</merge> > >>>> </match> > >>>> </device> > >>>> </deviceinfo> > >>>> > >>>> Change the `gb' in the example to your local keymap name, save the f= ile > >>>> as /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi and restart hald. > >>>> =20 > >>>> =20 > >> This seems to have a way to enable HAL to detect a keyboard and export= =20 > >> it to X, but what about mice? My Xorg log tells me that it is ignorin= g=20 > >> my USB mouse in addition to ignoring my keyboard, so what sort of HAL=20 > >> file do I add to enable it to find my mouse? > >> =20 > > > > The above is only to set keyboard layout, everything to detect the > > keyboard is already present. > > > > =20 > >> Where in HAL documentation is this information found? R. Noland seeme= d=20 > >> to think it was a trivial process to make HAL do keyboards and mice? = In=20 > >> fact it is not trivial but a pain in the ass! If you intend to inflic= t=20 > >> broken software on unsuspecting users you had better think through all= =20 > >> of the problems and come up with explicit solutions to all of those=20 > >> problems so that everyone has a chance to make their systems work. > >> =20 > > > > We (marcus and I) have gone to great pains to try and ensure that hal > > behaves correctly in pretty much all mice configurations with or withou= t > > sysmouse. If you don't want to use hal, set AutoAddDevices off and > > configure away. > > > > =20 > I did my best to follow ALL of the posted directions to absolutely NO AVA= IL. >=20 > When I start Xorg, it explicitly tells me it is disabling all automatic=20 > devices and refuses to use HAL or any other detectable methosd to find=20 > the mouse and/or keyboard. >=20 > There is no documentation ANYWHERE about how HAL is supposed to help in=20 > any of this. There is no documentation ANYWHERE about what exaqctly the=20 > new Xorg is supposed to do about it. There is no documentation ANYWHERE=20 > about the new, secret, hidden options that you can put in your xorg.conf=20 > file to disable this whole HAL mess. man xorg.conf search for Input... > The only documentation available ANYWHERE is the skimpy little paragraph=20 > that says, it works or it doesn't. No explanation about why it works or=20 > doesn't or how to determine exactly what might be wrong in your=20 > configuration to make it work or not work. >=20 > I would not compalin if you actually documented what you are inflicting=20 > on us rather than just say, here it is, good luck! I understand how=20 > difficult some of these port upgrades are, but you have to realize that=20 > you have not provided ANY resources that anyone else can use to help=20 > themselves figure out their issues. >=20 > I don't want to pay you with money I do not have from a job I do not=20 > have. You have to realize how many people may or may not have problems=20 > due to your blithe posting of this complicated mess. Either explain how=20 > to use HAL properly to configure X resources or disable the capability. Set Options "AutoAddDevices" "off" and you have to configure everything like you used to. robert. > Thank you for all of your effort so far. I really do appreciate it. >=20 > /Joe >=20 > >> There had better not be any more surprises waiting in the X 1.6 wings = to=20 > >> surprise and confound everyone again! > >> =20 > > > > Are you going to stop paying me? You have no idea how many combination= s > > of hardware and configurations for X exist, or the amount of wok that > > goes into making all of those combinations work. > > > > robert. > > > > =20 > >>> I'll start with that > >>> > >>> Thank you > >>> > >>> > >>> Sebastien > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" > >>> > >>> > >>> =20 > >>> =20 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > >> =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 Robert Noland <rnoland@FreeBSD.org> FreeBSD --=-vCppUHqMggD4hWNB03Ez Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkmHTAQACgkQM4TrQ4qfROMZgACffbaFIIXCuHVRHwURq74TRRbS b6cAnRCv24QyXki4yRGCqHfNrAeHbTXh =QRxJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vCppUHqMggD4hWNB03Ez--
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