From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 2 18:33:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9888106566B for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:33:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8964B8FC13 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iakl21 with SMTP id l21so7210649iak.13 for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 10:33:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Wvgk+6zpf3Uuhf+UkkeYk1rK/Jn9K3DBQLjNpMVlS6c=; b=J2+CQHT7NZ0+yMAWdJcmXcf3orL/OZ9ZA5V0rWfJ9AAWf9jCSS4pwRBamww2qBk9+U 9S4QtmSK5vcl2OEN4dMqwZMh+muDJLocJFv/inQhtgMwvGfxoPh0hdzJ+d/f7YwPqTKg HBUrJOv/6RMtnv1tCpeGng9v41aUvas3XbgxI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.82.131 with SMTP id b3mr3352748ibl.74.1322850784000; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 10:33:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.12.139 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:33:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.12.139 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:33:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20111202015133.GA4111@dragon.NUXI.org> <20111202064132.GC88903@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <4ED8776F.9060301@FreeBSD.org> <20111202072349.GA89183@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20111202083501.GA73959@dragon.NUXI.org> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:33:03 +0000 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Lyndon Nerenberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:33:05 -0000 On 2 Dec 2011 17:07, "Lyndon Nerenberg" wrote: >> >> Obsolete does not mean it doesn't work. > > > No, these days 'obsolete' seems to mean 'it does not have a sexy Flash-driven web GUI.' Straw man argument. This is irrelevant. > Profiling is a simple basic tool that makes it easy to quickly find code execution hot-spots. It's not dtrace, or any other plethora of tools that do a more extensive job of profiling. But it's also a tool that is universally available to developers. Or was ... Still is if you choose it. > If you don't like it, don't use it. But don't turn that into an excuse to remove the functionality from the rest of us. Straw man argument. Nothing has been removed. > If you really think profiling is truly useless in this day and age, the proposal should be to eradicate it from the system entirely. Isn't this about user choice, and making sensible defaults? No-one is removing anything. Please stick to facts. Chris