From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 15 22:18:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [131.245.7.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D9937B405; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by minnie.tuhs.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBG6IcK23973; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:18:38 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <200112160618.fBG6IcK23973@minnie.tuhs.org> Subject: Re: Caldera and the Ancient UNIX license In-Reply-To: <20011216115556.A62493@monorchid.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Dec 16, 2001 11:55:56 am" To: Greg Lehey Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:18:37 +1100 (EST) Cc: Terry Lambert , Warren Toomey , Peter Jeremy , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: wkt@tuhs.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article by Greg Lehey: [about if and how Caldera is enforcing the Ancient UNIX http://www2.caldera.com/offers/ancient.html. Note also that in fact they allow access to the code via license described at http://www2.caldera.com/offers/ancient001/ without you first agreeing to the license...] > That may be easier than you think. I'm copying Warren Toomey on > this. Warren is (a) a FreeBSD user and (b) the person who negotiated > these contracts in the first place. Warren, Peter is thinking of > porting the 2BSD file system (not sure whether that's UFS or the > original UNIX file system) to FreeBSD. As Terry observes, the current > license doesn't allow that. Firstly, call me crazy, but I thought the 2BSD filesystem layout was essentially UFS, i.e i-nodes at the start, and therefore would be pretty much the same as /sys/ufs/ufs in FreeBSD. I'll have to do a compare of the source code and get back to you .... I concur with Terry that as the license stands, you first have to prove that a person has agreed to the license before you can give them access to the source code. I would really like to get Caldera to at least remove _this_ condition, even if they left the remaining conditions. It would allow me to set up anonymous access to the old UNIX sources. As for commercial use, that's a separate issue. I don't know how easy it would be for us to talk Caldera into allowing that. Which brings me to the question, does anybody know a good contact at Caldera who can point us to the `right person' to negotiate on this. I knew the guy at SCO who dealt with this, but not at Caldera. > Note that Caldera is merely doing due diligence here; I don't think > that they really care too much. > Greg See me comment about URLs at the top about this :) I'll do a code comparison of FreeBSD /sys/ufs/ufs and 2.11BSD ufs while we wait for contact with Caldera. Cheers all, Warren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message