From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 20:12:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6ACB2FC1EC for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:12:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Pbzw5pHvz3y9V for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:12:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49Pbzp11Jqz2fjv9; Sat, 16 May 2020 13:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <20200516204553.a317afe4.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 13:12:37 -0700 Cc: "@lbutlr" , FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2C311DED-DF68-4BEB-B322-4468CB5AB31E@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <20200218091959.b0220ac75bcfbbced91a5708@sohara.org> <355B9AC5-84F8-48A3-ABD2-14B43AECC9D7@kreme.com> <20200516204553.a317afe4.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Pbzw5pHvz3y9V X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.52)[-0.524,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.05)[asn: 5650(0.30), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.933,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 20:12:45 -0000 > On 16 May 2020, at 11:45, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > On Sat, 16 May 2020 12:07:30 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: >> On 19 Feb 2020, at 01:52, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions = wrote: >>> To a beginner and uninitiated like me, the way FreeBSD labels >>> "stable", "release", "releng" and "current" is, at the very least, >>> confusing. >>=20 >> It might be sensible to have a prominent note along the lines >> of =E2=80=9CIf you are wondering what to run, -RELEASE is the = answer.=E2=80=9D >>=20 >> Because, really, anyone who wants stable or current should know >> why they do. >=20 > And how. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> I agree the names are not the best.=20 >=20 > That is true; however there are historical reasons for the > names, and their meaning is documented: >=20 I started using FreeBSD somewhere between 2.5 and 2.7 and I remember the = confusion of those "labels". Yes the information is there, but it's not = obvious to the new user. I was running production systems and the name = "stable" seemed like the right one. However, the descriptions made me = think that perhaps that was not the right choice. I finally settled on = "release" but it was quite a difficult decision. After many discussions = on this mailing list, I finally understood the differences. I still = find the names misleading, but I can work with them. I do feel for = anyone new to FreeBSD trying to figure that out. It might be "obvious" = to those who know, but it's not for others. -- Doug