From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 18:20:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E194816A418 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:20:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F17813C428 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:20:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Received: from trapper.homedns.org (213.114.40.248) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 46A848D600489582; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:20:15 +0200 Received: from trapper.homedns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trapper.homedns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l79IKDn0001280; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:20:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listreader@lazlarlyricon.com) Message-ID: <46BB5ADD.5060202@lazlarlyricon.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:20:13 +0200 From: Rolf G Nielsen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809082612.b990026e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20070809151022.Y69393@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <200708091459.l79ExbIU016932@smtpclu-5.eunet.yu> <20070809185814.D71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <46BB4B9C.5060900@cs.okstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:29:44 +0000 Cc: Nikola Lecic , Wojciech Puchar , Latitude , Reid Linnemann , Bill Moran Subject: Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:20:41 -0000 Reid Linnemann wrote: > My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She saw > my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know why i > was using such an "old" computer. She had the visual aspect of the user > interface ingrained as a measure of the capabilities of the machine. > Granted, it could be only because she's ten, but I think we'd find a lot > of people think that something has to have more blinky lights and chrome > to be better or faster. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > I seriously doubt that it's only because she's ten. A friend of mine (who's 37) defines user-friendliness based on the number of tasks he can complete through a GUI. I used to think like that too, but not any longer. I first tried FreeBSD in 1998, but I couldn't get anything running. I just had no idea how, and I was expecting a nice "user-friendly" GUI, like Windoze, but without the constant crashes. In 1999 I purchased "The complete FreeBSD, 3rd edition" with CDs included, and this my second try was a lot more sucessful. I was still after a fancy GUI, but this time I got things working. Not without effort though. Over the years since I first tried FreeBSD, my ideas about ease of use have changed quite a lot. I no longer define user-friendliness based on what I can do in the GUI; actually, I'm often annoyed by all the menus, submenus and all the whistles and bells. It's really a lot easier to edit a text file to change some setting, than browsing through heaps of buttons, drop-down lists and all that. Where most Windoze users find Windoze user-friendly, I find it user-hostile, because it hides the simplest things under tons of graphics. For some applications, like image manipulation, a good GUI is a must (at least that's my point of view), but good doesn't mean complex. And a GUI is certainly not needed for running a computer. My friend, whom I mentioned above, says my computer looks like a green screen from 1970's movies. I once tried to guide him over the phone through downloading a file using Windoze's built-in cli FTP client. He didn't even know that such a procedure was possible; he had the idea, that downloading a file required a graphical progress bar. After the file was downloaded (a GUI FTP client), he said it was the most horrible thing he'd ever done, and had comments about this being the 21st century. So, I doubt your niece's comment was just about her being a child. -- Sincerly, Rolf Nielsen