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Date:      Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:15:05 +0100
From:      Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Philippe =?iso-8859-1?Q?Aud=E9oud?= <jadawin@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        svn-ports-head@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, marino@freebsd.org, ports-committers@freebsd.org, Rene Ladan <rene@FreeBSD.org>, John Marino <dragonflybsd@marino.st>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r335281 - in head: . audio audio/gnump3d
Message-ID:  <20131202151505.GF27759@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net>
In-Reply-To: <20131202151646.GI71618@tuxaco.net>
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On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 04:16:46PM +0100, Philippe Aud=E9oud wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Dec 2013, John Marino wrote:
>=20
> > On 12/2/2013 15:52, Philippe Aud=E9oud wrote:
> > > On Mon, 02 Dec 2013, John Marino wrote:
> > >>
> > >> You are misrepresenting me.  I follow the rules, but they are crappy
> > >> rules so I'm complaining about them.  Rene did not break any rules t=
hat
> > >> I am aware of.  (You conveniently did not show me where this "rule" =
is
> > >> documented, nor why you think port maintenance privilege extends past
> > >> the expire deadline).
> >=20
> > >=20
> > > 4. Respect existing maintainers if listed.
> > >=20
> > > Many parts of FreeBSD are not "owned" in the sense that any specific
> > > individual will jump up and yell if you commit a change to "their" ar=
ea,
> > > but it still pays to check first. One convention we use is to put a
> > > maintainer line in the Makefile for any package or subtree which is
> > > being actively maintained by one or more people; see
> > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/=
policies.html
> > > for documentation on this. Where sections of code have several
> > > maintainers, commits to affected areas by one maintainer need to be
> > > reviewed by at least one other maintainer. In cases where the
> > > "maintainer-ship" of something is not clear, you can also look at the
> > > repository logs for the file(s) in question and see if someone has be=
en
> > > working recently or predominantly in that area.
> > >=20
> > > Other areas of FreeBSD fall under the control of someone who manages =
an
> > > overall category of FreeBSD evolution, such as internationalization or
> > > networking. See http://www.FreeBSD.org/administration.html for more
> > > information on this.
> > >=20
> > > from :
> > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/=
rules.html
> > >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > 1. Clearly it does not address port deletion specifically.
> > 2. I openly questioned whether or not the MAINTAINER line expired with
> > the port.  I believe it should.  After the expiry date, it should be
> > treated as if MAINTAINER=3Dports@freebsd.org (meaning anybody at all can
> > delete it if they feel like it.)
> > 3. This is the clause that needs updating.  It gives too much power to
> > the listed MAINTAINER.  It could and should allow others to fix the port
> > if it restores the port to how the maintainer intended.  People are
> > abusing this clause and the result is that ports that could be fixed
> > correctly on the spot are not fixed in a timely fashion (sometimes
> > delaying weeks or months or perhaps never getting fixed).
> >=20
> > Some of this "power" needs to be clawed back.  I will fully support any
> > maintainer who is angry at another committer than "fixes" their port
> > incorrectly though.  I think the benefits of allowing others to fix
> > ports-with-listed-maintainers outweighs the negatives by a lot.
> >=20
>=20
> Sure but it has to be written. We are both complaining about this point,
> maybe we can work together and suggest somes rules/reflexion to
> portmgr@.
>=20
> --=20
> Philippe Aud=E9oud

Yes please :)

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