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Date:      Sat, 16 May 2020 21:52:43 +0100
From:      Steve O'Hara-Smith <>
Subject:   Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life
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On Sat, 16 May 2020 13:12:37 -0700
Doug Hardie <> wrote:

> I started using FreeBSD somewhere between 2.5 and 2.7 and I remember the
> confusion of those "labels".  Yes the information is there, but it's not

	I started with 1.1 and watched those labels acquire their meaning
during a period when every user built from sources and upgraded with make
world. The terms seemed natural in that context and everyone using FreeBSD
seemed to understand them, then as the OS matured and the user base widened
it became clear that they were also confusing to some and the mailing lists
grew noisy on the subject.

> obvious to the new user.  I was running production systems and the name
> "stable" seemed like the right one.  However, the descriptions made me
> think that perhaps that was not the right choice.  I finally settled on
> "release" but it was quite a difficult decision.

	Before the release patches many people did run production systems
on stable because the alternative was no changes until the next release.

> It might be "obvious" to those who
> know, but it's not for others.

	Not so much obvious as natural from some points of
view, particularly the OS developer point of view, and indeed not natural
from others which I think came as a surprise to some developers.

	These days I think most users should be running -release,
installing packages, using freebsd-update and not going anywhere near

Steve O'Hara-Smith <>

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