From owner-freebsd-sparc64@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 10 03:52:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394E01065673 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 03:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from royce.williams@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f193.google.com (mail-yw0-f193.google.com [209.85.211.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70B58FC12 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 03:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh31 with SMTP id 31so618674ywh.3 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:52:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:received:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=fZL5alVCpxL4TDP3MKYZvCIFWlXubB2VFzxJKw9x9vA=; b=swkxiJmwQY1oCJzYZtKh9iU1L/QZXsEv//ZvC/tmtA1jMnBzjfUwy2Wk12h/xFZH9/ 30S2G94CS0zRVE1xI4hNPqAjNTuJWv3q7JAPElkM9Yr1JxpYwpUT8ast5Wykv6UB6E/R MtMCUiml+Ci3Y8On8Vo1T6DuHnQYiM9xph5SI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=HXiEJvJl00whPviHkgejJgEUrjgPYgQvOGQ1zbNt/V2cbpkmI87RgmOurGRRdibdqe j7hArMwwJdN2YgDmIXHcFL7fBzjv95QnEqtIxYCahexy0i/bNsJquTKLXJUWFyGA415/ ScMNGQX0ouEK/v2OzRqOSokvLBkVN9iTZeXVA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.52.6 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:52:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100410015309.GB19697@lonesome.com> References: <4BA9C0AC.3080801@wooh.hu> <20100324075709.GC13561@lonesome.com> <20100324223809.GA34342@alchemy.franken.de> <4BAB4AB9.2090908@buffalo.edu> <1269526260.2007.3.camel@main.lerwick.hopto.org> <20100325233558.GI20888@alchemy.franken.de> <4BACCC0C.7010401@freebsd.org> <20100410015309.GB19697@lonesome.com> From: Royce Williams Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:52:22 -0800 Received: by 10.150.76.3 with SMTP id y3mr317796yba.27.1270871562123; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: freebsd-update(8) under sparc64? Why is it not available? X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 03:52:43 -0000 On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 01:12:57AM -0400, Miles Nordin wrote: >> good thinking, good thinking. > > I have to admit even on the second reading of your email, I can't make > sense of it. It's extended sarcasm. Miles' point appears to be that some end users do not have the resources necessary to set up a sufficiently beefy sparc64 build system to respond quickly to security announcements. But it could have been said in a more constructive manner. For me, not having binary updates for sparc64 improves security -- but not in the way that Colin describes. I would love to run FreeBSD on my Ultra 30, but knowing how long it will take to build world in response to a security issue has turned it into a very secure paperweight under my desk. :-) In my opinion, people who would run sparc64 on slow hardware facing the public Internet without being willing and able to disconnect it when something serious was announced are already doing other foolish things ... and I'd rather not be punished for their bad behavior. :-) I'd chip in $100 to fund either A) tracking down the remaining cross-build issues, or B) adding I/O or CPU power to an existing build setup. Finally, to repeat a point that I made in the last big thread on this topic [1]: "It may be that there's no way to break that 1-hour barrier. Maybe I can convince Colin that, until full cross-compiling is available, we sparc64 folks would settle for slightly-delayed binary security updates (instead of never getting them at all). It's the very fact that we're running on slower hardware that makes freebsd-update so attractive." Royce 1. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-sparc64/2007-February/004622.html - Feb 2007