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Date:      Sun, 19 Jun 2016 07:28:37 -0700
From:      Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@komquats.com>
To:        Jan Beich <jbeich@vfemail.net>, Alexander Motin <mav@FreeBSD.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r299448 - in head/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris:  common/acl uts/common/fs/zfs uts/common/sys
Message-ID:  <201606191428.u5JESbbs053857@slippy.cwsent.com>
In-Reply-To: Message from Edward Tomasz =?utf-8?Q?Napiera=C5=82a?=  <trasz@FreeBSD.org> of "Sun, 19 Jun 2016 10:08:03 %2B0200." <20160619080803.GA1638@brick>

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In message <20160619080803.GA1638@brick>, Edward Tomasz 
=?utf-8?Q?Napiera=C5=82
a?= writes:
> On 0614T0232, Jan Beich wrote:
> > Alexander Motin <mav@FreeBSD.org> writes:
> > 
> > > Author: mav
> > > Date: Wed May 11 13:43:20 2016
> > > New Revision: 299448
> > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/299448
> > >
> > > Log:
> > >   MFV r299442: 6762 POSIX write should imply DELETE_CHILD on directories 
> - and
> > >   some additional considerations
> > >   
> > >   Reviewed by: Gordon Ross <gwr@nexenta.com>
> > >   Reviewed by: Yuri Pankov <yuri.pankov@nexenta.com>
> > >   Author: Kevin Crowe <kevin.crowe@nexenta.com>
> > >   
> > >   openzfs/openzfs@d316fffc9c361532a482208561bbb614dac7f916
> > 
> > This commit confuses acl_is_trivial_np(3). Notice '+' in ls(1) and 'D'
> > in getfacl(1) outputs.
> 
> It's not just that.
> 
> Those changes:
> 
> 1. Confuse acl_is_trivial_np(3), as you say.  It's hard to fix in libc,
>    because they make trivial ACLs different for files and directories,
>    and acl_is_trivial_np(3) has no way of telling which is which.
> 
> 2. They make delete deny permission take precedence over the containing
>    directory write allow permission, which is rather different from what
>    people expect in unix systems, and is against the NFSv4 specification,
>    even though it might be a better fit for Windows.

This is Windows behavior and inconsistent with the rest of FreeBSD and any 
UNIX or Linux system.

> 
> 3. They make umask apply to inherit_only permissions, and
> 
> 4. I don't fully understand this one yet, but from the ACL regression
>    test suite (which lives in tests/sys/acl/, and I'd appreciate people
>    actually ran this before committing ACL-related changes) it looks
>    like it makes umask not apply to the stuff it should.
> 
> The #1 could be fixed by making ZFS not setting delete_child on write,
> basically reverting to the previous behaviour in that aspect.  As for
> the others...  I'm not saying each one of those is wrong, but they
> certainly warrant further discussion, especially #2 and #4.

I think #2 is wrong behavior on any UNIX-like or POSIX system.

> 
> Basically, what I'm trying to say is that we should consider backing
> this out for 11.0-RELEASE, reverting to the previous semantics, verified
> by passing the regression tests.

Agreed.

What in FreeBSD was this patch supposed to solve in the first place?


-- 
Cheers,
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>
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