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( [217.206.187.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm2655800gve.8.2008.05.07.01.31.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 May 2008 01:31:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Evans To: Diane Bruce In-Reply-To: <20080506155748.GA67105@night.db.net> References: <20080503125041.0025aece@gb7tf.ath.cx> <20080504085859.7d1a05ee@gb7tf.ath.cx> <1210071647.27474.9.camel@localhost> <20080506130645.586be6a4@gb7tf> <1210086621.27474.18.camel@localhost> <20080506155748.GA67105@night.db.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-B3XDMOD1tcWvNx+Zdii5" Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 09:31:12 +0100 Message-Id: <1210149072.27474.34.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with V7.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 08:31:17 -0000 --=-B3XDMOD1tcWvNx+Zdii5 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 11:57 -0400, Diane Bruce wrote: > On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 04:10:21PM +0100, Tom Evans wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 13:06 +0100, Richard Bown wrote: > > > On Tue, 06 May 2008 12:00:47 +0100 > > > Tom Evans wrote: > ... > > > > You should remember the 'main aim' of FreeBSD is to support services, s= o > > DVB-T, which became important in Linux because of the large number of > > desktop users asking/developing such features, would not be such a high > > priority in BSD. >=20 > This is becoming less and less true, looking at www.pcbsd.org > and www.desktopbsd.net as examples. >=20 > I'm using FreeBSD 7.0 as a desktop with the ULE scheduler and > PCBSD as a hamradio desktop. It's changing. >=20 > > Of course, the number one priority in FOSS is 'what do I want to work > > on', and if someone with enough desire and skill decides they do want t= o > > work on it, then it will be done.... otherwise it probably won't :) >=20 > And I see the work is being done. My focus (and Xride's focus; plus > the contributors to the ports tree) hav been on making hamradio > apps very viable and useful on FreeBSD. >=20 > http://www.freshports.org/hamradio > http://www.db.net/hamfreesbie >=20 Quite :) I also use FreeBSD on the desktop + laptop, have done for past couple of years. I wasn't trying to say that FreeBSD doesn't make a good desktop OS, just that if there isn't or hasn't been developers interested enough in that particular aspect, then driver support will be lacking. For example, 3ware raid controllers are probably as well supported on FreeBSD as on Linux, but Phillips webcams (maybe a bad example - I'm aware of pwcbsd :) probably have more support under Linux. Even as a competent software developer (C\C++), and having read a good third (!) of kirk and gnn's excellent 'Design and Implementation of FreeBSD', I still have no idea of how I would go about porting a driver supported by v4l-dvb to FreeBSD, and make it work with v4l compliant apps. This probably shows a lack of enough interest on my part to find out however.. I may get there eventually :) It's also the reason I quoted 'main reason' of FreeBSD - there is no main reason, it is what you make of it. Tom --=-B3XDMOD1tcWvNx+Zdii5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkghaMkACgkQlcRvFfyds/dgsQCfYAB+moByEzOv3rj/EEpROQYQ 330AoI0RUQCVEVx2RbOW5DchGrJmXPHG =ySWO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-B3XDMOD1tcWvNx+Zdii5--