From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 8 08:39:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77351065672 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EEC8FC16 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o088dFwj085258; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 08:39:16 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk o088dFwj085258 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1262939956; bh=ZNPxB3lzcjGNIdhtpuL6y/tvG1hdTo1UTb2XcRgAT+w=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4B46EF2D.5020300@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20F ri,=2008=20Jan=202010=2008:39:09=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20091129)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20Matthias=20Apitz=20|CC:=20freeb sd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Any=20delivery=20block=2 0to=20freebsd-questions=20list?|References:=20<20100107201839.GA15 118@albatros.sisis.de>=09<4B4645B3.2000207@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us>=09 <44k4vthbtr.fsf@be-well.ilk.org>=09<20100108055704.GA2025@current. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:39:21 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig57649841DC2183E9DA2D0883 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=EDa Friday, January 08, 2010 a las 06:57:04AM +0100, Matthias Apit= z escribi=F3: >=20 >>> Sounds like that's just graylisting. The delay will depend on how lo= ng >>> it takes your MTA (or the smarthost you use) to retry the message. >> In my case it seems not to be graylisting, but blacklisting; i.e. the >> mail is not delivered at all :-( >=20 > Now, with the above reply, the mail of yesterday showed up in the list > as well... what is this? Well, looking at the headers, it spent about 11 hours sitting at ms4-1.1b= lu.de. Once it was accepted at freebsd.org, it went out to the list in about 2 m= inutes. Received: from ms4-1.1blu.de (ms4-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF3F8FC1C for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 05:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.31.11.193] (helo=3Dcurrent.Sisis.de) by ms4-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1NSuhI-0004mn-4D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:54:52 +0100 Received: from current.Sisis.de (current [127.0.0.1]) by current.Sisis.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o07FspAW026325 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:54:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Now, not knowing what the configuration of ms4-1.1blu.de is like, I can only speculate that it tried to deliver to mx1.freebsd.org and, for= whatever reason, failed at the initial attempt. [It's not greylisting by= the FreeBSD mailservers, because they don't use it.] We can't see from t= his trace how many times ms4-1.1blu.de retried sending the message during tha= t time -- typically it should try again after 15 or 30min and then keep try= ing again at that sort of interval or longer for up to 5 days. As they are u= sing Exim, it's quite likely the message ended up in a stuck-message queu= e which would still keep retrying delivery, but at a much lower frequency= =2E Without looking at the mail logs on mx1.freebsd.org we can't know why the= message wasn't accepted. We can tell that it was temp-failed -- ie. you didn't get a bounce back with a permanent failure message. There are sev= eral mechanisms used with e-mail that might generate this sort of temp-fail re= sponse (SPF, DKIM -- but there are no indications freebsd.org uses these in the message headers) or else the problem might well have been a failure in th= e DNS -- if mx1.freebsd.org couldn't look up ms4-1.1blu.de or sisis.de then it = wouldn't accept the message. This last scenario seems the most likely to= me, especially since you say you've recently changed e-mail service prov= ider. 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