From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 6 20:10:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DCB106567C; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out5.smtp.messagingengine.com (out5.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E2D8FC25; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA041A80E2; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:10:08 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: 05gUrm1q5MV+PzZHvjcPBHFeR97MFOnFb25Wkrahtn9l 1226002208 Received: from empiric.lon.incunabulum.net (82-35-112-254.cable.ubr07.dals.blueyonder.co.uk [82.35.112.254]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93BB63BDF7; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:10:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49134F1C.2000102@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:10:04 +0000 From: "Bruce M. Simpson" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080514) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. Warner Losh" References: <20081105.144840.-432836001.imp@bsdimp.com> <864p2l5hf1.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20081106101156.GA40311@FreeBSD.org> <20081106.100323.195417660.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20081106.100323.195417660.imp@bsdimp.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: danfe@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, alfred@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, des@des.no Subject: Re: svn commit: r184610 - in head: lib/libusb20 share/man/man4 sys/conf sys/dev/sound/pcm sys/dev/usb2 sys/dev/usb2/bluetooth sys/dev/usb2/controller sys/dev/usb2/core sys/dev/usb2/ethernet sys/dev/usb... X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:10:09 -0000 M. Warner Losh wrote: > ... > : > So the question is, why was this code imported at all? > : > : Seconded, especially since it says the code was reviewed by you Warner in > : the commit log. > > Unfortunately, most of my reviews were ignored, as were those of a > great many other people. There's lots of pressure for this code from > the user community. It is an experiment, one that may well ultimately > fail. Or ultimately succeed. I have every confidence in Alfred's ability to see things through. It is better that this is happening now, after the SVN import, therefore the change cost may not be so great as it may have been with CVS. One of the long-standing problems with FreeBSD is that we have been too conservative in what we've allowed into the code base. There are sound and compelling reasons why we have such rules, however, it's worth remembering that competition has been able to get a foothold in various key areas that could have been expanded into. The fact is, at the end of the day, it's about how things get used, so perhaps an experiment in user-driven development isn't so bad (for some value of "user" other than large corporate sponsor giving code away 6-12 months after something happened). cheers BMS