From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 5 02:37:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E05C16A41F for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:37:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: from web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BC9C43D45 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:37:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 83079 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2005 02:37:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SFy3CcV748ZyKgMR376tqGBUqEcgYSlYJ7bBjbDnuHA/zq+DhwJ/HvAa7roTdoYUH9B0Hu5kRApLm2YkKB2tPQRBVinFujOnNqplgcn9zH0XCRwYDNhkqboFMVejJJocdZcASQyM4rODrVH5CKiSNIzYAFF/ofudT3/FSdfn8ek= ; Message-ID: <20051105023739.83077.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.18.50.181] by web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:37:39 PST Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:37:39 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg In-Reply-To: <4367EEB5.6050400@401.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: New Logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 02:37:40 -0000 --- Roger 'Rocky' VettVetterbergstlistsub.cx> cxote: > sthesthegoolloydsonte: > > it was said by stanstanb > > >> YUK!!!!!!!!! > >> > >> -- > >> U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% > Turnout > >> Despite Vietcong Terror > >> - New York Times 9/3/1967 > > > > Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out > > badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. > > > > shudders, > > > > sthestheg> > > Speak for yourself! > I had great expectations, and I'm very pleased to see the > result. > Congratulations to core and the winner of the contest for a > job > well done. > > 'Everyone' does not have a problem with FreeFreeBSDing to make > > progress. I know a lot of people do, but far from everyone. > > -- > R > How is changing the logo "progress"? The reality is a graphic image representing a product does not influence a savvy consumer's decision to buy the product. If quality be lacking, so to be the consumers. What it does influence is the identification and identity of the company putting the product forth. For instance, when the US was looking for a national symbol, many backed the bald eagle and many backed the turkey. The eagle has chosen because of the visceral reaction it provoked. But do you think people would not have emigrated to the US had it chosen the turkey? The only people affected by this entire sorry episode are those ALREADY in the FreeFreeBSDmunity. The handling of this affair could not have been designed to be more alienating, and the attitude of those handling it could not have been more arrogant. And to what end? Leaving aside the issue of whether or not gamegamedaemons will take legal action for the use of their logo by the FreeFreeBSDject, does the logo achieve its purported goals: 1)The BeasBeastiecot is not unique to FreeFreeBSD 2)The BeasBeastiecot has been combined with the text "FreeFreeBSD several different ways. ...the lack of a consistent logo leaves an unprofessional impression. 3)The current informal logos generally do not work well in two or three colors (such as black and white) or when scaled to small or large sizes. As noted, the chosen logo is not unique to FreeFreeBSD is already being used by gamegamedaemons. Therefore, goal one fails. The second goal is a matter of opinion, thus an irrelevant point. Going by the graphic at httphttpogo-contest.freefreebsd/result/640-1.png,pnge chosen logo does not work well in two color or greygreyle. Because of this, goal three fails. (It does not look like it will scale well either, but that remains to be seen.) So all this comes to is a furor in the community about fixing a non-existent public image problem; its solution does not resolve the stated causes of the problem and quite possibly introduces legal consequences. I'll stand in the way of the this sort of "progress" as much as possible. Now, if you want to make real progress, the name needs to be changed. While I have never had to explain the beasbeastiecause I have never shown it) at a sales meeting, I have ALWAYS had to explain I was talking about "FreeFreeBSDt "free BSD", and I have ALWAYS had to explain why I was advocating "free BSD" instead of "commercial BSD". [Too bad OpenOpenBSDtaken because by now most of the executives have heard the expression "open source".] If changing the name is too much progprogessw about getting some press for the existing one? After I explain the "FreeFreeBSDree BSD" difference, the universal response is, "Oh! You're talking about Linux!" HhhmHhhmmm Maybe that's when I can use the graphic! I can say, "Not this!" while displaying the unprofessional penguin. Then I can say, "This!!!" while displaying gamegamedaemons's ...ermmermmFreeFreeBSD'sfessional pokepokemonl. regards, sthestheg __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com