Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:52:31 -0400 From: David Schultz <das@FreeBSD.ORG> To: src-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/i386/net htonl.S ntohl.S Message-ID: <20041019225231.GA13522@VARK.MIT.EDU> In-Reply-To: <20041019220031.GA98675@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> References: <20041019071102.GA49717@FreeBSD.org> <20041019073145.GA29746@thingy.tbd.co.nz> <20041019.084324.106215221.imp@bsdimp.com> <200410191541.54269.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <20041019215007.GA13217@VARK.MIT.EDU> <20041019220031.GA98675@falcon.midgard.homeip.net>
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2004, Erik Trulsson wrote: > > > > The only people that will seriously want to use i386 these days are > > > > the folks that build embedded systems. Those you have to build on > > > > some host then deploy to the target system. > > > > Yes, and very few of those folks are likely to want a relatively > > large, non-realtime, monolithic, multi-threaded OS kernel, much > > less a userland that even vaguely resembles a standard FreeBSD > > installation. > > > > Every time this issue comes up, someone points out that in fact, > > FreeBSD still runs on the 80386 that they just threw out. > > However, nobody ever presents an important reason for *wanting* to > > run FreeBSD on an 80386. > > The only reason I am not running FreeBSD on an 80386 is that the PSU in > my 80386sx based computer gave up a few months ago (or at least > something power-related did.) Until then I was happily running > 4.10-stable on it and using it as a firewall/gateway. Okay, so (a) your 80386 doesn't work anymore and (b) you still seem to be getting along fine without it. I maintain that it is still the case that nobody has presented a good reason why the 80386 is an important platform for future versions of FreeBSD. > If it was still working and support for FPU-less systems hadn't been > dropped I would have upgraded it to 5-STABLE eventually (along with my > main machine.) > Why would I want to use such an old machine? Easy - because I had it > and couldn't (and still can't) afford to buy a modern machine. > I am sure I am not the only one in that position. First of all, your 80386 (if it worked) would probably be much snappier running FreeBSD 3.X or 4.X or NetBSD 1.[2-5]. Second, you can purchase a Linksys gateway for $20, whereas a 386 would consume more than $20 of power in a few months. > > Nice. \me can't wait for the day when developers are no longer > > required to spend time and effort to support anything older than a PPro. > > That day will hopefully be far in the future. Personally I don't have > anything as modern as a PPro. Don't worry, it will be. I can dream, can't I?
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