From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 18 22:55:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E336336D55 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2b.google.com (mail-io1-xd2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49ny2d0MHpz4BwM for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2b.google.com with SMTP id i25so9256024iog.0 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:55:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=AgJ78n/32cClwmz1fCLfQR65ZgogWRjE9VXtMWnshU4=; b=kZTj2M+yMhlQywK8ppZj4J+yfka7PzcboAwe1WS4xSS8/L+QrNpDdMotRLgmABX3Or z7jQ5wQUq9/AxU8rdIq+4LSIcdqtAuJzecHcMrHDqMtaJfgTKMP8T1cfoaDDUymz7k4c ZMxcEgu8tFDjn51gHswQ3JybmSqmI6BfzZIRF+30/ZcM/WVg/97vKyDmo3m7j4WeVPU0 0+qcs420BKogd2wWbiIMsvnIgh1GyezeOLq7zFtgPY8fRPdHc33wA9jFef1Zu3+mG2uw qlY20gE2U43Yr24WG26V1/BpUd8W/DPQ+SalFoNR7iaTIaW+zTtOxxSaUutYKgsNhGDE UWCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=AgJ78n/32cClwmz1fCLfQR65ZgogWRjE9VXtMWnshU4=; b=pyI8OvlN6YppqP0LKkRK5M19R36fTBCPhqAslleS88/HlkMhR8yuaKKNGR+iuU3zZp d63dUSfmJ59DzoB2rZl3GV/BkUXD/bqzvZlu52pmuTLzkUNeNt/oOxY6hJsMuUEY3ekt snWp1gO9IWht24P9uSXO57pOv8/G+4D5e1d/gBbt0SZV0m3XamCpFdJHK6O7hey8H7Il iDeQ7mifRSbQQca042/pjvJ58YjKp6XAJQa9c0GuA7iXUVfKGO4pNRnYPJbG65OEf07G djXdnR+MdBYYVHosC5zF4bEdNqQp7tEHz7C82IY5hvqElNUErzz1w4+vIKz45AUt6lLY 1rhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5329Axr7zanGbf2lDbmlbQ13ybD55iNI6DjRaF9d7ibXZ/vEtPCD c2xkfAXQg+qt/XroMQar9RRXWEUdcjpyHNBiDVPyVsgt X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwWCXDm2IkmTkqfou85CCjQ3Gg7ktBKaPNZQ0JZObRCCUoeGfkBxOwJlYdYVJ9SPmT8O/we2uPoU7zUX9AzEbA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:234d:: with SMTP id r13mr495681iot.83.1592520935656; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:55:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200617134146.00004ce8@seibercom.net> <20200617165853.000070ca@seibercom.net> <20200617195705.000069f0@seibercom.net> <20200618071456.00004fdd@seibercom.net> <20200618134732.48b4c316.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200618083645.00001afc@seibercom.net> <941386f3-ce71-6cf6-005c-ab9c159ce998@heuristicsystems.com.au> <20200618184438.00003f41@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20200618184438.00003f41@seibercom.net> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 18:55:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Update 11.3 > 11.4 To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ny2d0MHpz4BwM X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:55:37 -0000 On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:45 PM Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 08:19:12 +1000, Dewayne Geraghty commented: > >Jerry, > > > >Aryeh's suggestion of determining the cause of the problem would be > >beneficial as the PR > >https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237666 > >appears to be caught in a non-reproducability trap. Eg "I have an X on > >version Y and no bug" will not allay anyone's concerns. > > > >Also reply 103 asserts that this problem doesn't exist on 11 (ie prior > >to 11.4). Perhaps pulling the iso's for 11.4 and using on a machine > >that reproduces the bug with 12.1 might be a more efficient path? > > It doesn't exist on 11.x at ll. If you read through the comments, > etcetera, it was mentioned that it is most likely a regression problem. > Regression bugs have a nasty habit of spreading. > Especially if people refuse to actual test it to see if it is a bug or not on their system. Since it is not on mine my test is meaningless but your might not be and might help debug it so if you care about helping the community like you do you should try it and make a complete bug report as possible. But as I said it happens in enough odd different places that it is 90% likely user error not an actual bug and you just falling for FUD if you are not willing to help figure it out. > > >Hans is clearly doing his best to address the issue but needs helpful > >information from our active community. > > This bug has existed since at least 2019-04-30 04:22:45 EDT when it was > first reported. > > >Regards, Dewayne > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org