From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 11 02:49:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5521065692 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:49:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C5A58FC13 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27842 invoked by uid 89); 11 Dec 2009 02:56:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 11 Dec 2009 02:56:27 -0000 Message-ID: <4B21B332.1030203@ibctech.ca> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:49:22 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20091210184502.30fce047@ernst.jennejohn.org> <200912101921.nBAJLQf1077338@fire.js.berklix.net> <20091210150639.2da33de4@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20091210150639.2da33de4@scorpio.seibercom.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Root exploit for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:49:36 -0000 Jerry wrote: > Out of pure morbid curiosity, would you please answer this question for > me. > > You work for a corporation that specifically requires the use of > a specific OS, the OS itself is not material to this question. It also > forbids the use of any unauthorized OS or equipment on the companies > network. You decide to ignore their directives and eventually: > > 1) Get caught > 2) Cause a problem with the company's network, etc. > > Now, when you get fired and possible charged with a crime, do you: > > 1) Cry and bitch that they are being unfair? > 2) Accept the fact that you deserved to be dismissed? Accept, humbly. The majority of companies that I have worked for that have a 'policy', have a 'policy' that is extremely spread thin. Personally, I've never _breached_ policy... I've always expressed to the proper level of management as to *why* something needs to be done differently. With that said, again, in your case, I'll resign, gleefully, as my next contract picks me up for being diligent. > Where I use to work, two or three employees were fired each year > because they thought they knew more than everyone else. They failed to > realize that they were being compensated to do what they were told and > not what they thought they should be doing. Then the managers have the wrong attitude...completely. I will only allow myself to be hired as an employee or contractor if the person hiring me is doing so because they expect to gain something from my knowledge and experience. Only a monkey is paid to do what they are told. I don't do that. I couldn't do that. If that is what you do, I feel sorry for you. > The bottom line is if they > are not smart enough to follow company directives, they are certainly > not capable of instigating their own protocol. ...companies that enforce their staff to do what they are told will collapse. People who take their pay cheque just because they sit there and do what they are told hate their job. I love my job, I love my work. I am underpaid, but I do what I *LOVE*. I direct our company through innovation, ingenuity, integrity and risk. If I had to sit at a desk and do the same thing every day because my company told me to, I'd rather..... never mind... it'll be archived. Steve