From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 21 6:20:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from castor2.freiepresse.de (castor2.freiepresse.de [194.25.232.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADCC10F8D for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:20:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net) Received: from speedy.gsinet (ppp-pln172.freiepresse.de [194.25.234.172]) by castor2.freiepresse.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA04186 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:18:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from speedy.gsinet (sittig@speedy.gsinet [192.168.11.129]) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA01347 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:05:58 +0100 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:05:58 +0100 (CET) From: Gerhard Sittig X-Sender: sittig@speedy.gsinet Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Preferred readings for newbees In-Reply-To: <199902200130.MAA08794@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello to you! I'm a (German) Linux user and UNIX lover wanting to move to FreeBSD. I've been using Linux since July '92 at home and I occasionally used (but never maintained) SunOS, HP-UX, AIX, QNX and Ultrix. Since I completed studying computer science I claim for myself to know about the general way things go in UNIX. I had a glimpse at FreeBSD versions 2.1.5, 2.2.1, 2.2.5 and 2.2.7, but since I missed some important functionality (namely ISDN support), was never really acquainted with the FreeBSD way of doing things and never had a spare machine to keep the installations, I couldn't look into things somewhat deeper (IOW -- I always fell back to the system I was familiar with). Now that I got 3.0 (waiting for 3.1 to arrive here) I'm willing to dive into your system. I scanned the FAQs and (really) read the Handbook. And I know how to handle Manpages. Now I learned about Greg Lehey's "Complete FreeBSD" and that it's available in the second edition. The third edition is in progress but will take quite some time to be released. So here's my question: Is there too big a difference between 2.2.x and 3.x to take away much of the book's advantage for me as a newbee? What else documents could I read waiting for the third edition (in case of online docs I prefer tarballs I can install locally due to the telcos' pricing sheme here in Germany :> ). Are there lists of user groups I can scan for a regional partner? When only I knew what I was looking for, I could use the known methods to get some info ("want to setup DNS? -> do THIS ..."). But I guess I need a todo list of typical jobs or opportunities of somebody being new to the system ("after installation you can ..."). You see: I'm searching for an orientation ("looking for clues", "get a grip", ...). Thank you very much for your answers. And please direct me in the right direction in case I'm using the wrong forum for my request. Gerhard Sittig -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 21 12:22:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from castor2.freiepresse.de (castor2.freiepresse.de [194.25.232.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B31F1101F for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:22:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net) Received: from speedy.gsinet (ppp-pln169.freiepresse.de [194.25.234.169]) by castor2.freiepresse.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA14845 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:20:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from speedy.gsinet (sittig@speedy.gsinet [192.168.10.129]) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA01871 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:36:20 +0100 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:36:20 +0100 (CET) From: Gerhard Sittig X-Sender: sittig@speedy.gsinet Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Very Common Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, K. Marsh wrote: > > [ ... discussion on GPL vs BSD license ... ] > > The point I was trying to make was that you can't sell your software for > profit, UNLESS you distribute the source code too (thereby giving away > the secrets of your program.) This is right, isn't it Christ? FreeBSD's > license doesn't require you to give away your source. I feel this is too strong a view and it might not be correct since then NOONE would offer any software for these systems when he wants to make his living from it. The only thing one could "sell" would be service and consulting. But there IS comercial software around for Linux -- think of Applix, WordPerfect, Mathematica, StarOffice, Adabas, Sniff, Oracle, Netscape, ... (easily continued) I guess the main point is that when you use GPLed software as the basis (or core) of your product, then the product should be GPLed, too. And I think it's fair. None of the GPL authors ever stated "there should never be any software for Linux that's not free". To scream while replying to you I guess it should read: You CAN sell YOUR software for profit WITHOUT distributing the source code too, but once you use other people's work AND they stated "this should always be free" you're NOT allowed to sell modifications and cover or hide the result. Of course you may build your own internal tools based on GPLed software (anyone is free not to release his additions :), but you might not sell those modifications and thereby betraying the original contributors. But after all IANAL and anyone being really interested could read the GPL itself, it's shipped with many software packages and I'm sure it is on FSF's website, too. Please keep in mind that English is not my natural language and that all the typos and errors in this message are mine. I just speak for myself and that's enough trouble ... :> Gerhard Sittig -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 21 13:32:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0F011BB5 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:32:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17586; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:33:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199902212133.QAA17586@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Preferred readings for newbees In-Reply-To: from Gerhard Sittig at "Feb 21, 99 03:05:58 pm" To: Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net (Gerhard Sittig) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:33:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gerhard Sittig wrote, > Hello to you! And hello to _you._ > Is there too big a difference between 2.2.x and 3.x to take > away much of the book's advantage for me as a newbee? To be frank, if you are very familiar with a variety of UNIX flavors and have been running Linux on your own for a while, there is not a heck of a lot in Greg's (very fine) book that you would really require. If you already have some books on UNIX, especially one focused on BSD, you probably have all you need to get started. I personally found Greg's book useful since I had never set up a UNIX system from scratch before. I had done administration work on operating systems doing regular maintenance, and minor changes and additions, so once I got things running, I did not used the book much... except it still comes out as a checklist for starting a new box. :) Greg has not discussed all of his changes; he more frequently makes requests for ideas on what to add or change. I do not foresee many changes being made for the 2.2.x to 3.x change. It's my guess that more changes will be due to reader feedback on what needs to be added and what can be dropped which has nothing to do with the version change. Again, my opinion gathered from vague recollections of statements made by Greg. Now to your more specific questions, > What else > documents could I read waiting for the third edition (in case of > online docs I prefer tarballs I can install locally due to the > telcos' pricing sheme here in Germany :> ). Are there lists of > user groups I can scan for a regional partner? I'm not sure what you mean here. Are you looking for closer sources for the documentation? There is a slew of mirror sites in Germany, ftp://ftp.de.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD ftp://ftp2.de.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD ftp://ftp3.de.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD ftp://ftp4.de.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD ftp://ftp5.de.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD ftp://ftp6.de.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD ftp://ftp7.de.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD > When only I knew > what I was looking for, I could use the known methods to get > some info ("want to setup DNS? -> do THIS ..."). Something like this is well presented in Greg's book, but then again, this is _really_ easy to do. You would just have to find your way to the /etc/namedb/ directory and follow instructions in the files there. > But I guess I > need a todo list of typical jobs or opportunities of somebody > being new to the system ("after installation you can ..."). > You see: I'm searching for an orientation ("looking for clues", > "get a grip", ...). If you have been running Linux, you should have a pretty good idea of what a system can do. Most things will work exactly or at least in a very similar way. For the few that don't (Linux uses a SysV-like startup with all of the rc.0, rc.6, etc. directories, right?), the handbook and FAQ usually are adequate, Greg's book might be better for some things. And if all else fails, there is the freebsd-questions mail list. IIRC, Greg's book comes on the CD's if you purchase the 4 CD set from Walnut Creek. I do not know about the CD's availablility (or hardcopy of Greg's book for that matter) in Germany. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 21 13:40:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from esperi.demon.co.uk (esperi.demon.co.uk [194.222.138.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F2D1166C for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:40:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kieran@esperi.demon.co.uk) Received: from cuchulainn.tirnanog (1101@cuchulainn.tirnanog [192.168.1.68]) by esperi.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00792; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:28:43 GMT Received: from localhost (kieran@localhost) by cuchulainn.tirnanog (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA29138; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:28:20 GMT Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:28:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Kieran X-Sender: kieran@cuchulainn.tirnanog To: "K. Marsh" Cc: cjclark@home.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Very Common Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, K. Marsh wrote: > The point I was trying to make was that you can't sell your software for > profit, UNLESS you distribute the source code too (thereby giving away > the secrets of your program.) This is right, isn't it Christ? FreeBSD's > license doesn't require you to give away your source. Wrong. The GPL doesn't allow you to distribute someone else's code in binary form. If you are dealing with your own code, obviously you can re-licence it. It represents a different world-view. The BSD networking code which _many_ different unices borrowed/used would not have been used had they been distributed under the GPL. So both licences have real advantages depending on the views of the person writing it. Please, if you think this is a balanced account, don't respond! (Feel free to flame away if you think that I'm wrong.) The world doesn't need another GPL-vs-BSD "discussion" ;-) Kieran To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 21 14:13:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gold.com.br (gold-2.horizontes.com.br [200.215.160.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B3610E9A for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:13:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vcrhp@iname.com) Received: from iname.com (line0352.horizontes.com.br [200.215.163.61]) by gold.com.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00583 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:13:47 -0300 Message-ID: <36D08522.35D5B975@iname.com> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:13:54 -0300 From: "" Nando Augusto 95r "" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Very Common Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What's GPL? Kieran wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, K. Marsh wrote: > > > The point I was trying to make was that you can't sell your software for > > profit, UNLESS you distribute the source code too (thereby giving away > > the secrets of your program.) This is right, isn't it Christ? FreeBSD's > > license doesn't require you to give away your source. > > Wrong. The GPL doesn't allow you to distribute someone else's code in > binary form. If you are dealing with your own code, obviously you can > re-licence it. > > It represents a different world-view. The BSD networking code which > _many_ different unices borrowed/used would not have been used had they > been distributed under the GPL. So both licences have real advantages > depending on the views of the person writing it. > > Please, if you think this is a balanced account, don't respond! (Feel > free to flame away if you think that I'm wrong.) The world doesn't need > another GPL-vs-BSD "discussion" ;-) > > Kieran > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 22 2:32:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hole.noc.iafrica.com (hole.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FAD10FA5 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:32:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robh@hole.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from robh (helo=localhost) by hole.noc.iafrica.com with local-smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 10Esf9-0007BZ-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:32:31 +0200 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:32:31 +0200 (SAT) From: Rob Hunter X-Sender: robh@hole.noc.iafrica.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: mounting fat32 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I'm running 3.1-RELEASE. I currently have the following drive setup: primary master - 3 gig (freebsd) primary slave - 3 gig (old win98 fat 32 drive) secondary master - cd-rom dive My question is this: how do I mount the fat the drive? there are 2 partitions on it. I've been reading man pages, www.freebsd.org./search/search.html, the handbook and the FAQ and it seems to be eluding me... Any help appreciated. --Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 22 4:44:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sandminer.com.au (unknown [203.43.89.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDE510E64 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:44:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from supervoc@wingdriver.com.au) Received: from localhost (supervoc@localhost) by sandminer.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA00526; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:38:07 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from supervoc@wingdriver.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: sandminer.com.au: supervoc owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:38:07 +1100 (EST) From: "^'*'^" X-Sender: supervoc@sandminer.com.au To: "" Nando Augusto 95r "" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Very Common Question In-Reply-To: <36D08522.35D5B975@iname.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 21 Feb 1999,  Nando Augusto 95r  wrote: } What's GPL? see http://www.fsf.org/copyleft/gpl.html to see what GPL is really all about.. however, according to the jargon file: == :General Public Virus: /n./ Pejorative name for some versions of the {GNU} project {copyleft} or General Public License (GPL), which requires that any tools or {app}s incorporating copylefted code must be source-distributed on the same counter-commercial terms as GNU stuff. Thus it is alleged that the copyleft `infects' software generated with GNU tools, which may in turn infect other software that reuses any of its code. The Free Software Foundation's official position as of January 1991 is that copyright law limits the scope of the GPL to "programs textually incorporating significant amounts of GNU code", and that the `infection' is not passed on to third parties unless actual GNU source is transmitted (as in, for example, use of the Bison parser skeleton). Nevertheless, widespread suspicion that the {copyleft} language is `boobytrapped' has caused many developers to avoid using GNU tools and the GPL. Recent (July 1991) changes in the language of the version 2.00 license may eliminate this problem. == go to your favourite search engine (www.locate.com if you don't know any), look up "jargon file", and grab yourself a copy for all sorts of interesting acronyms. -SV7- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 22 12:41:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goodall1.u.washington.edu (goodall1.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C18A11A26 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:41:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from durang@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (durang@localhost) by goodall1.u.washington.edu (8.9.2+UW99.01/8.9.2+UW99.01) with ESMTP id MAA33524; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:41:07 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:41:06 -0800 (PST) From: "K. Marsh" To: Gerhard Sittig Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Very Common Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Gerhard Sittig wrote: > > [ ... discussion on GPL vs BSD license ... ] > > The point I was trying to make was that you can't sell your software for > > profit, UNLESS you distribute the source code too (thereby giving away > > the secrets of your program.) > I guess the main point is that when you use GPLed software > as the basis (or core) of your product, then the product > should be GPLed, too. And I think it's fair. Had I any skill at communicating with precision, this would be part of what I said. > Please keep in mind that English is not my natural language and that > all the typos and errors in this message are mine. I'd have never guessed you weren't a native speaker. Let me assure you, your English is far better than that of most Americans, and infinitely better than my German. Thanks for clearing up my botched attempt at explaining the licensing differences between Linux and FreeBSD. Kenneth J. Marsh University of Washington durang@u.washington.edu Chemical Engineering To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 22 14:44:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from galaxy.lca.uevora.pt (galaxy.lca.uevora.pt [193.137.216.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B2D10FEE for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:44:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mavillez@galaxy.lca.uevora.pt) Received: from galaxy.lca.uevora.pt (pancho@galaxy.lca.uevora.pt [193.137.216.102]) by galaxy.lca.uevora.pt (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA29017 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:44:25 GMT Message-ID: <36D1DDC9.AFCECE9D@galaxy.lca.uevora.pt> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:44:25 +0000 From: Miguel Avillez Organization: Lab. Comp. Astrop. & Dept. Mathematics, University of Evora X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mouse configuration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All, I have the following questions hoping someone could help me: 1. I have a notebook Acer Extensa 710TE. How do I configure sound in it? 2. I have a ps/2 mouse which works well in X, but not with no X. Can anyone teach me how to set it up? thanks for your help. regards, Miguel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 22 16:39:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pds.uberhacker.org (uberhacker.org [207.229.169.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D07A11140 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:39:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pds@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 21466 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Feb 1999 00:42:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Feb 1999 00:42:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:42:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Paul D. Schmidt" X-Sender: pds@uberhacker.org To: pds@uberhacker.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Upgrading from 2.2.8 -> 3.1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, What is the exact process for upgrading a machine from a 2.2.8-RELEASE system to a 3.1-RELEASE system? I've heard several different things, some with cvs, some with downloading src.tar or something... I've looked at the handbook and FAQ, but I haven't been able to find a definitive list of the steps you need to take. I would prefer the CVSup method, but if I have to do it another way (I'm trying to avoid reformatting and doing a fresh install) I will. When you upgrade in this manner, what happens to files like hosts.allow or other system config files that might be replaced? Thanks, Paul -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul D. Schmidt EnterAct, L.L.C. Micro$oft slogan for '99: "This is where you are going today." -Anonymous =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 22 16:56:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C7610E90 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:56:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA19432; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:56:37 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990223115632.35885@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:56:32 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: "Paul D. Schmidt" Cc: pds@uberhacker.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrading from 2.2.8 -> 3.1 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Paul D. Schmidt on Mon, Feb 22, 1999 at 06:42:38PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Feb 22, 1999 at 06:42:38PM -0600, Paul D. Schmidt wrote: > Hello, > What is the exact process for upgrading a machine from a > 2.2.8-RELEASE system to a 3.1-RELEASE system? I've heard several different > things, some with cvs, some with downloading src.tar or something... I've > looked at the handbook and FAQ, but I haven't been able to find a > definitive list of the steps you need to take. I would prefer the CVSup > method, but if I have to do it another way (I'm trying to avoid > reformatting and doing a fresh install) I will. When you upgrade in this > manner, what happens to files like hosts.allow or other system config > files that might be replaced? Have a look where 3.1 is on the FTP site and read the *.TXT files, especially the one about upgrading. Also look through the freebsd-questions archive on the web site to see what others have been saying. This leap is no simple upgrade. If you have any questions about installation or upgrading, send them to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. Upgrading can cause big hassles if not done properly, and the last thing we want is people discussing the procedure here, so please, if you want to answer this send it to -questions only. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 22 22: 7:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E14B11292 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:07:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id BAA24339; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:08:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199902230608.BAA24339@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: mounting fat32 In-Reply-To: from Rob Hunter at "Feb 22, 99 12:32:31 pm" To: hunterr@iafrica.com (Rob Hunter) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:08:07 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rob Hunter wrote, > Hi > > I'm running 3.1-RELEASE. > > I currently have the following drive setup: > > primary master - 3 gig (freebsd) > primary slave - 3 gig (old win98 fat 32 drive) > secondary master - cd-rom dive > > My question is this: how do I mount the fat the drive? there are 2 > partitions on it. I've been reading man pages, > www.freebsd.org./search/search.html, the handbook and the FAQ and it seems > to be eluding me... > > Any help appreciated. How do these drives show up on the 'dmesg' output you see at startup? I believe these disks should be /dev/wd0, /dev/wd1, and /dev/wcd0. What does, # fdisk wd1 Return? It matters what type of "slices" (in DOS "partitions") those two are (is one an 'extended' DOS partition?). However, just for a stab in the dark, does, # mount -t msdos /dev/wd1s1 /mnt Mount the primary slave? If the second slice is a 'regular' DOS partition then the second should be, # mount -t msdos /dev/wd1s2 /mnt2 Where I use /mnt2 to stress that you don't try mounting them in the same place at the same time. I've wondered why disk numbering goes against the DOS and BIOS and starts at '0' rather than '1,' but the slices start at '1.' *shrug* -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 22 23:38:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from silk.net (music.silk.net [206.12.206.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E4B10EBC for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:38:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@silk.net) Received: from matt.silk.net (matt.silk.net [204.244.76.242]) by silk.net (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id XAA17701 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:38:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:38:24 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Chambers To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Upgrade from 3.1 Rel to 3.1 stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Im just needing some direction into where the best docs are to learn how to upgrade to 3.1 stable. TIA MattC. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 23 2:22:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hole.noc.iafrica.com (hole.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E1711031 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:22:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robh@hole.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from robh (helo=localhost) by hole.noc.iafrica.com with local-smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 10FEgt-0000ie-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:03:47 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:03:47 +0200 (SAT) From: Rob Hunter X-Sender: robh@hole.noc.iafrica.com To: cjclark@home.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mounting fat32 In-Reply-To: <199902230608.BAA24339@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > # fdisk wd1 > > Return? wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 3079MB (6306048 sectors), 6256 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): wd1: 3098MB (6346368 sectors), 6296 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is the drive with which I'm having problems. Just to clarify (I don't think my 1st mail was too clear) it's the 2nd partition on the 2nd drive (primary slave) that won't mount... wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): < 36X CD-ROM/VER 1.34>, removable, accel, dma, iordy acd0: drive speed 343 - 3781KB/sec, 128KB cache > # mount -t msdos /dev/wd1s1 /mnt works fine. > # mount -t msdos /dev/wd1s2 /mnt2 This is where I'm having a problem: [root@sticky] ~# mount_msdos /dev/wd1s2 /win2 mount_msdos: /dev/wd1s2: Invalid argument [root@sticky] ~# Feb 23 11:53:59 sticky /kernel: mountmsdosfs(): bad bpb Feb 23 11:53:59 sticky /kernel: mountmsdosfs(): bad bpb This is what fdisk wd1 shows: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 11,(DOS or Windows 95 with 32 bit FAT) start 63, size 1644993 (803 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 1; end: cyl 203/ sector 63/ head 127 The data for partition 2 is: sysid 5,(Extended DOS) start 1645056, size 4693248 (2291 Meg), flag 0 beg: cyl 204/ sector 1/ head 0; end: cyl 785/ sector 63/ head 127 Is the 2nd partition supposed to be wd1s2? --Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 23 4: 0:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from galaxy.lca.uevora.pt (galaxy.lca.uevora.pt [193.137.216.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7109B10E6A for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mavillez@galaxy.lca.uevora.pt) Received: from localhost (mavillez@localhost) by galaxy.lca.uevora.pt (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA31541 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:00:00 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:59:59 +0000 (WET) From: To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mouse configuration Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All, I have the following questions hoping someone could help me: 1. I have a notebook Acer Extensa 710TE. How do I configure sound in it? 2. I have a ps/2 mouse which works well in X, but not with no X. Can anyone teach me how to set it up? thanks for your help. regards, Miguel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 23 6:13:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fleet-bh.fleet.com (fleet-bh.fleet.com [199.95.175.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447C910E65 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 06:13:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Douglas_P_Smith@fleet.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by fleet-bh.fleet.com (8.8.8/8.6.11) id JAA29665 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(170.36.73.11) by fleet-bh.fleet.com via smap (4.1) id xma029146; Tue, 23 Feb 99 09:13:02 -0500 Received: from ccMail by mail2.fleet.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 0008DE68; Tue, 23 Feb 99 09:10:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:55:36 -0500 Message-ID: <0008DE68.CE21180@fleet.com> From: Douglas_P_Smith@fleet.com (Douglas P Smith) Subject: SMBFS To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was reading up on samba, and I see that it doesn't support SMBFS, so I was wondering if there was another program out there that could do the same thing. My hope is to turn all NT servers to FreeBSD running an NT emulator, for easier administration, and for higher reliability. Doug Smith Network Engineer/MCP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 23 6:37:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459A411001 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 06:37:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id JAA26478; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:38:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199902231438.JAA26478@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: mounting fat32 In-Reply-To: from Rob Hunter at "Feb 23, 99 12:03:47 pm" To: hunterr@iafrica.com (Rob Hunter) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:38:58 -0500 (EST) Cc: cjclark@home.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rob Hunter wrote, > this is the drive with which I'm having problems. Just to clarify (I don't > think my 1st mail was too clear) it's the 2nd partition on the 2nd drive > (primary slave) that won't mount... > [root@sticky] ~# mount_msdos /dev/wd1s2 /win2 > mount_msdos: /dev/wd1s2: Invalid argument > [root@sticky] ~# Feb 23 11:53:59 sticky /kernel: mountmsdosfs(): bad bpb > Feb 23 11:53:59 sticky /kernel: mountmsdosfs(): bad bpb > > This is what fdisk wd1 shows: > > The data for partition 1 is: > sysid 11,(DOS or Windows 95 with 32 bit FAT) > start 63, size 1644993 (803 Meg), flag 80 (active) > beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 1; > end: cyl 203/ sector 63/ head 127 > The data for partition 2 is: > sysid 5,(Extended DOS) > start 1645056, size 4693248 (2291 Meg), flag 0 > beg: cyl 204/ sector 1/ head 0; > end: cyl 785/ sector 63/ head 127 > > Is the 2nd partition supposed to be wd1s2? No. This is what I eluded to in my first mail. Extended DOS partitions are handled differently. But it's easy, they start numbering at '5' rather than the next slice number. So, to mount the first extended DOS partition, you type, # mount -t msdos /dev/wd1s5 /win2 The biggest chanllenge is that you might have toe create the device with MAKEDEV, # cd /dev # ./MAKEDEV wd0s5 If you have troubles with this, we ought to move it to -questions. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 23 14:19:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from battleship.genevaonline.com (battleship.genevaonline.com [156.46.205.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EEB115B5 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:19:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thiel@genevaonline.com) Received: from vishnu (pm3-ppp103.genevaonline.com [156.46.117.103]) by battleship.genevaonline.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA01764 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:22:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199902232222.QAA01764@battleship.genevaonline.com> X-Sender: thiel@mail.genevaonline.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:17:25 -0600 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Loren Thiel Subject: wd?s? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I've got lots of questions that I haven't been able to find answers to. I understand how wd0 is the first ide drive in the system, but what happens when you get many DOS partitions on that drive...or many more drives, in many different places? I've also had problems in different configurations where the boot.config file isn't made automatically...if its supposed to be. I've usually guessed at the boot> prompt until I got it right, but I don't understand how its supposed to work. Also, let me make sure I have this straight: wd = IDE sd = SCSI interface dos partition = freebsd slice Maybe someone could help me fill in this table I've made up of a hypothetical system with 4 IDE hard drives. I've entered my guesses.... Also please tell me if I'm thinking about this all wrong and have no clue. If it was a freebsd slice to boot to how where what = /dev/wd?s? what would I type at the boot> ---- ------------- ---------- ------------------- -------------------------------------------------- IDE, primary master, 1st dos partition = wd0s1 wd(0,a) kernel IDE, primary master, 2nd dos partition = wd0s2 can it boot here? IDE, primary master, 3rd dos partition = wd0s3 or here? IDE, primary slave, 1st dos partition = wd1s1 wd(1,a) kernel ? IDE, primary slave, 2nd dos partition = wd1s2 not here? IDE, secondary master, 1st dos partition = wd2s1 wd(2,a) kernel? IDE, secondary master, 2nd dos partition = wd2s2 um? IDE, secondary slave, 1st dos partition = wd3s1 wd(3,a) kernel? IDE, secondary slave, 2nd dos partition = wd3s2 ? What if the system only had: IDE, primary master, 1st dos partition = wd0s1 wd(0,a)kernel IDE, secondary master, 1st dos partition = wd?s1 ? IDE, secondary slave CDROM = ? Then what if I move the secondary master to primary slave.....what does that change? IDE, primary master, 1st dos partition = wd0s1 wd(0,a) kernel IDE, primary slave , 1st dos partition = wd?s1 wd? IDE, secondary master, CDROM = cd0? If the drive is dedicated FreeBSD, then you would omit the "s1"? I understand that at the boot> prompt, the "kernel" part is the name of your kernel....could be whatever. Not sure how the numbers and letters correlate though. I hope this is clear and everyone can understand what I'm trying to figure out. Thanks in advance for your help, Loren Thiel thiel@genevaonline.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 24 13:28:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from secuslugo.lugo.usc.es (secuslugo.lugo.usc.es [193.144.94.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B5F110E1 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:17:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from castguer@lugo.usc.es) Received: from t0e0o5 (uscppp49.cesga.es [193.144.35.94]) by secuslugo.lugo.usc.es (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05998 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:49:42 +0100 (MET) From: Flora Guerrero Cauejas Message-ID: <000701be5fda$97044020$5e2390c1@t0e0o5> To: Subject: consulta Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:46:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE5FE2.F64335C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE5FE2.F64335C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hola.M=ED pregunta es la siguiente:tengo un 486 al que le cambi=E9 el = disco duro y ahora tiene uno de 1 Gb.El problema se encuentra en que no = puedo hacer con =E9l partici=F3n alguna,por lo que la pregunta es: = c=F3mo puedo instalar FreeBSD sin tener que realizar particiones(ya que = no se puede),es posible?. 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Hola.Mí pregunta es la = siguiente:tengo un=20 486 al que le cambié el disco duro y ahora tiene uno de 1 Gb.El = problema=20 se encuentra en que no puedo hacer con él partición = alguna,por lo=20 que la pregunta es: cómo puedo instalar FreeBSD sin tener que = realizar=20 particiones(ya que no se puede),es posible?.
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE5FE2.F64335C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 24 13:53:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD9611670 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:38:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id GAA00908; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:20:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199902241120.GAA00908@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: wd?s? In-Reply-To: <199902232222.QAA01764@battleship.genevaonline.com> from Loren Thiel at "Feb 23, 99 04:17:25 pm" To: thiel@genevaonline.com (Loren Thiel) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:20:10 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Your mailer, Eudora, wrapped your long lines for you. Your spacing seems funny, using a proportional font? Very confusing.] Loren Thiel wrote, I took what Loren wrote, cleaned it up a bit then below each I added any edits. If it is not changed, it is correct > IDE, primary master, 1st dos partition wd0s1 wd(0,a) kernel 0:wd(0,a)kernel > IDE, primary master, 2nd dos partition wd0s2 can it boot here? 0:wd(0,a)kernel > IDE, primary master, 3rd dos partition wd0s3 or here? 0:wd(0,a)kernel > IDE, primary slave, 1st dos partition wd1s1 wd(1,a) kernel ? 0:wd(1,a)kernel > IDE, primary slave, 2nd dos partition wd1s2 not here? 0:wd(1,a)kernel > IDE, secondary master, 1st dos partition wd2s1 wd(2,a) kernel? 1:wd(2,a)kernel > IDE, secondary master, 2nd dos partition wd2s2 um? 1:wd(2,a)kernel > IDE, secondary slave, 1st dos partition wd3s1 wd(3,a) kernel? 1:wd(3,a)kernel > IDE, secondary slave, 2nd dos partition wd3s2 ? 1:wd(3,a)kernel > > What if the system only had: > IDE, primary master, 1st dos partition wd0s1 wd(0,a)kernel 0:wd(0,a)kernel > IDE, secondary master, 1st dos partition wd2s1 ? 1:wd(2,a)kernel > IDE, secondary slave CDROM Not sure about this one. > Then what if I move the secondary master to primary slave.....what does > that change? > IDE, primary master, 1st dos partition wd0s1 wd(0,a) kernel 0:wd(0,a)kernel > IDE, primary slave , 1st dos partition wd?s1 wd? wds1 0:wd(1,a)kernel > IDE, secondary master, CDROM cd0? wcd0 1:wcd(0,a)kernel However, I am not sure of the last one, the CD. > If the drive is dedicated FreeBSD, then you would omit the "s1"? The use of the slice number depends on the command, but when talking about mounting drives, yes, a 'dangerously dedicated' FreeBSD drive would have no slice number. > I understand that at the boot> prompt, the "kernel" part is the name of > your kernel....could be whatever. Yep. > Not sure how the numbers and letters correlate though. > I hope this is clear and everyone can understand what I'm trying to figure > out. OK, this is the help that pops up (should be in /boot.help on your system), ---begin /boot.help--- Usage: bios_drive:interface(unit,partition)kernel_name options bios_drive 0, 1, ... interface fd, wd or sd unit 0, 1, ... partition a, c, ... kernel_name name of kernel, or ? for list of files in root directory options -a (ask name) -C (cdrom) -c (userconfig) -D (dual consoles) -d (debug early) -g (gdb) -h (serial console) -P (probe kbd) -r (default root) -s (single user) -v (verbose) Examples: 1:sd(0,a)mykernel boot `mykernel' on the first SCSI drive when one IDE drive is present 1:wd(2,a) boot from the second (secondary master) IDE drive 1:sd(0,a)? list the files in the root directory on the specified drive/unit/partition, and set the default bios_drive, interface, unit and partition -cv boot with the defaults, then run UserConfig to modify hardware parameters (c), and print verbose messages (v) ---end /boot.help--- The first number is the _BIOS_ drive number. It does not necessarily have anything to do with the device naming in FreeBSD. If you are not sure what the BIOS numbers are, watch the very begining of the boot process before you even get to BootEasy. The numbers of the drives will flash up there. The 'unit' number will match the device number like so, wd0 is unit 0, wd1 is unit 1, sd0 is unit 0, etc. The DOS partition number actually never plays into it (which is a only problem if you had multiple FreeBSD slices on a drive). I have to warn you that I am not professing to be an expert. If I am wrong any where, someone please let me know. Also, I have heard mixed answers about booting from CD-ROM. When does/can that work and how? -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 24 14:24:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from battleship.genevaonline.com (battleship.genevaonline.com [156.46.205.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E191123F7 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:17:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thiel@genevaonline.com) Received: from vishnu (pm3-ppp110.genevaonline.com [156.46.117.110]) by battleship.genevaonline.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA15929 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:16:50 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199902242116.PAA15929@battleship.genevaonline.com> X-Sender: thiel@mail.genevaonline.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:12:00 -0600 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Loren Thiel Subject: Re: wd?s? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_919912320==_" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=====================_919912320==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry everyone, my table got extremely mangled somewhere in the transmission. I've resent it as an attachment this time, and also as a zip file as a last resort. They should be MIME encoded, hope that's the most preferred method these days...I used to use UUencoding myself. Sorry for the confusion. Loren Thiel --=====================_919912320==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="table.txt" Hello, I've got lots of questions that I haven't been able to find answers to. I understand how wd0 is the first ide drive in the system, but what happens= when you get many DOS partitions on that drive...or many more drives, in= many different places? I've also had problems in different configurations where the boot.config= file isn't made automatically...if its supposed to be. I've usually guessed at the boot> prompt until I got it right, but I don't= understand how its supposed to work. Also, let me make sure I have this straight:=A0=20 wd =3D IDE=A0=A0=A0 sd =3D SCSI=A0 interface dos partition =3D freebsd slice Maybe someone could help me fill in this table I've made up of a= hypothetical system with 4 IDE hard drives. I've entered my guesses.... Also please tell me if I'm thinking about this all wrong and have no clue. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 If it was a= freebsd slice to boot to how=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0where=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= what=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D=A0=A0= /dev/wd?s?=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 what would I type at the= boot>=20 ----=A0=A0-------------=A0=A0=A0=A0 ----------=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= ----------------=A0=A0=A0=A0 ------------------------------------------- IDE, primary master, 1st dos partition=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D=A0=A0=A0=A0= wd0s1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 wd(0,a) kernel IDE, primary master, 2nd dos partition=A0=A0=A0 =3D=A0=A0=A0=A0= wd0s2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 can it boot here? IDE, primary master, 3rd dos partition=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D=A0=A0=A0=A0= wd0s3=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 or here? IDE, primary slave, 1st dos partition=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D=A0=A0=A0=A0= wd1s1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 wd(1,a) kernel=A0 ? IDE, primary slave, 2nd dos partition=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D=A0=A0=A0=A0= wd1s2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 not here? IDE, secondary master, 1st dos partition=A0 =3D=A0=A0=A0=A0= wd2s1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = =A0 wd(2,a) kernel? IDE, secondary master, 2nd dos partition=A0 =3D=A0=A0=A0=A0= wd2s2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 um? IDE, secondary slave, 1st dos partition=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D=A0=A0=A0=A0= wd3s1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 wd(3,a) kernel? IDE, secondary slave, 2nd dos partition=A0=A0=A0 =3D=A0=A0=A0=A0= wd3s2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ? What if the system only had: IDE, primary master, 1st dos partition=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D=A0=A0= wd0s1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0 wd(0,a)kernel IDE, secondary master, 1st dos partition=A0 =3D=A0=A0= wd?s1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ? IDE, secondary slave CDROM ? Then what if I move the secondary master to primary slave.....what does that= change? IDE, primary master, 1st dos partition=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D= wd0s1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 wd(0,a) kernel IDE, primary slave , 1st dos partition=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D=A0= wd?s1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 wd? IDE, secondary master, CDROM =3D=A0=A0=A0 cd0? If the drive is dedicated FreeBSD, then you would omit the "s1"? I understand that at the boot> prompt, the "kernel" part is the name of your= kernel....could be whatever. Not sure how the numbers and letters correlate though. I hope this is clear and everyone can understand what I'm trying to figure= out. Thanks in advance for your help, Loren Thiel thiel@genevaonline.com --=====================_919912320==_ Content-Type: application/zip; name="table.zip"; x-mac-type="705A4950"; x-mac-creator="705A4950" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="table.zip" UEsDBBQAAAAIAGx4WCYM3KiyFwQAAJELAAAJAAAAdGFibGUudHh0rVbbjts2EH1eA/6Hwb5sA3id 9W6fAqRuG6eogCYBugHyTJu0RFgiVZKy4L/Rp/YMKceXXdkpUGEXtsXhnJlzhpz5U5WlnYxH2d1W UW4DlTZ4smv6p1E+aGs8hUIEyqgQW2XuAi2VMiSWpaJgaa2NJGF8qxwM7RSOqDESv4LASmFbauUD afaiYI33pKUi6TTwtImv/c4HVU1o2QRqGawQda2A3BaA2tmGchWoEmZHiy/PVAsXdArNmhRddDed Tq1LZpV1PYafMEp8KfV6rZwygepSrJSf91mL0ltASqqdRVqV5x0H45U1a503TiRIxATfHPbS2jBN q8gMfGjP/FQC+Ykm2Ao7VqIsdwhMr0mDV9/UtfVKMnVLNe0DaHzDZpSDcl5EQnv/v3BQVR1AatAl VGCJdCCn8yIkxjKSlnHPaD+Ha63bAPA3JDuhkvlUCHUD9hvkk+QFLJTywQl2/66j8aiV9J6yxceu 68jz9+cPz1kHhoJya7A4HknrD5LAYO2UWsLUl5qXx6NPYrcEjK2UNQp0NiUiVGXNEYC3MpUBl0is qkhJJLGpuRAFFbvagpDIZl8s1OpQ0M8cGSJ3shd7z6ji8JB3tSfVQ4M+e6ivhEeuqHwOAdJkdxVH YDba5Cht24QUEFSh1ll+yawyQ8bSqmxYuvGo+18eyrg2qBXAOyUvVgmKAJ/jETSN5rH+TvbzkTn1 +B7/b6Xavm3l3M9P1+IBa6MIGYVdrU7LbTy6x9N198dP3Hj6Mz33Z8+Z4dUHci0+TlDjuhIOx1ZA WzehGW6Jk7LaZ8Xxywc/64YeLP/0MBFvaKOcUeWA/0eoee7/yP3jsPuVMCxWVIWFmA8gPLmXCMcQ T4MQCQcX2WvufYkaHOCnOwKYDVPEDM0ODHU0gPEaR6cQwzQlS3PGkVe4LOVlnb+7fxzMgCjm8HjI YRjgZRJHAFfi76ipXnq+pMB330+X6X+6FPoF+o/8X4u9i7qOR9/4tOOGO7RZ9Ey0GrS7d//l8KU7 5fLZO5y+k8P3o7ITX1aXvHfdoVjP+KIPi7+/fLq5uYlJf+Wxoe0zzzAMbFPDPo+E79eTqucmMY0b pVX94LMqhMkHz/kQWVepunZVpbQGjzoI+yG+YDMoQ88ZUawrWsmHyF6WqqWf0DxJJdF4A7rpH2hO vz8vJrye5rLUR2ylUwu59bPb+dkIGEl8ZaKZpB0p+duY335MNAJtGZ0fCK5nh4VJkwNGCVZIbZVD E/6MOyYOMDzyxL1NteRZlKEx5QT+vrLOqRJ7YGGbvIhTamHrft7B3wojgYt72O8uzim46Y/SiFUR 5wS34ykhzr45I2NamKaqE2YTZ0cht8Kgfa9xi8cceNrBjP0XplJDXwvNagf++DVXRm0FjqQ2CglW 49G/UEsBAjILFAAAAAgAbHhYJgzcqLIXBAAAkQsAAAkAAAAAAAAAAQAgALaBAAAAAHRhYmxlLnR4 dFBLBQYAAAAAAQABADcAAAA+BAAAAAA= --=====================_919912320==_-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 24 14:52:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AA011512 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:52:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA26511; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:51:39 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990225095128.40049@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:51:28 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: cjclark@home.com Cc: Loren Thiel , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wd?s? References: <199902232222.QAA01764@battleship.genevaonline.com> <199902241120.GAA00908@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199902241120.GAA00908@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com>; from Crist J. Clark on Wed, Feb 24, 1999 at 06:20:10AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If what you are discussing is worth following, please discuss it on freebsd-questions so that others can find the discussion when they do the right thing by searching the freebsd-questions mailing list archive. If your information might not be totally correct, please discuss it on freebsd-questions so that those who do know can help out and correct any misinformation early, rather than patch up problems later. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 24 15: 4:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5C111132 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:03:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA26576; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:02:54 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990225100247.46453@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:02:47 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Loren Thiel Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wd?s? References: <199902242116.PAA15929@battleship.genevaonline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199902242116.PAA15929@battleship.genevaonline.com>; from Loren Thiel on Wed, Feb 24, 1999 at 03:12:00PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 24, 1999 at 03:12:00PM -0600, Loren Thiel wrote: > Sorry everyone, my table got extremely mangled somewhere in the transmission. > I've resent it as an attachment this time, and also as a zip file as a last > resort. > They should be MIME encoded, hope that's the most preferred method these > days...I used to use UUencoding myself. > Sorry for the confusion. If you send attachments to a FreeBSD list (other than to -newbies while you're learning) you are likely to find that a few people complain. This is especially so when the attachments need some other software before you can access them. When something like output is to be included in email to a list, simply paste it as plain text into the body of the email. Then nobody needs to stop and use special software that they might not have (or be bothered to use). If the information is not text, or if it is large, consider alternatives such as putting it on a web or FTP site where people can get it, rather than forcing thousands of list subscribers to each download it with their mail. What's appropriate and what's not appropriate will vary a little depending on the place and circumstances, but this should help as a rough guide to what people expect. See the following links for more general guides to using the lists: http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ http://www.lemis.com/questions.html http://www.lemis.com/email.html and ask here on freebsd-newbies if you have any more questions about using the mailing lists, or about email in general. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 24 15:57:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ic.net (ic.net [152.160.8.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5517A14BD2 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:57:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Gus@Economics.net) Received: (qmail 1658 invoked from network); 24 Feb 1999 23:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO economics.net) (152.160.61.1) by unknown with SMTP; 24 Feb 1999 23:56:11 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] by economics.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2.1b3); Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:54:17 -0500 X-Sender: Gus@mail.sleeplabsoftware.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000701be5fda$97044020$5e2390c1@t0e0o5> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:57:29 -0500 To: Flora Guerrero Cauejas , From: Edwin Gustafson Subject: Re: consulta Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, At 10:46 +0100 1999.2.24, Flora Guerrero Cauejas wrote: Hola.M=ED pregunta es la siguiente:tengo un 486 al que le cambi=E9 el disco duro y ahora tiene uno de 1 Gb.El problema se encuentra en que no puedo hacer con =E9l partici=F3n alguna,por lo que la pregunta es: c=F3mo puedo instalar FreeBSD sin tener que realizar particiones(ya que no se puede),es posible?. Les agradezco de antemano su posible respuesta.Un saludo!. -- switch (preferred_language) { case EN: Why exactly can't you partition the new drive? Because it contains data you can't move elsewhere, or for some other reason? Have you tried parititoning the drive and gotten some kind of error? case ES: =BFPor que precisamente no puede realizar particiones en el nuevo disco? =BFPor que contiene informaci=F3n que no le conviene trasladar a otr= o lugar, o por otra raz=F3n? =BFIntent=F3 crear las particiones y no tuvo =E9= xito por alg=FAn error? } ----- Edwin Gustafson Gus@Economics.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 24 17: 8: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hole.noc.iafrica.com (hole.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999AF14C49 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:07:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robh@hole.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from robh (helo=localhost) by hole.noc.iafrica.com with local-smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 10FXZj-0001fh-00; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:13:39 +0200 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:13:39 +0200 (SAT) From: Rob Hunter X-Sender: robh@hole.noc.iafrica.com To: cjclark@home.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mounting fat32 In-Reply-To: <199902231438.JAA26478@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Crist J. Clark wrote: > Rob Hunter wrote, > > this is the drive with which I'm having problems. Just to clarify (I don't > > think my 1st mail was too clear) it's the 2nd partition on the 2nd drive > > (primary slave) that won't mount... > > > [root@sticky] ~# mount_msdos /dev/wd1s2 /win2 > > mount_msdos: /dev/wd1s2: Invalid argument > > [root@sticky] ~# Feb 23 11:53:59 sticky /kernel: mountmsdosfs(): bad bpb > > Feb 23 11:53:59 sticky /kernel: mountmsdosfs(): bad bpb > > > > This is what fdisk wd1 shows: > > > > The data for partition 1 is: > > sysid 11,(DOS or Windows 95 with 32 bit FAT) > > start 63, size 1644993 (803 Meg), flag 80 (active) > > beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 1; > > end: cyl 203/ sector 63/ head 127 > > The data for partition 2 is: > > sysid 5,(Extended DOS) > > start 1645056, size 4693248 (2291 Meg), flag 0 > > beg: cyl 204/ sector 1/ head 0; > > end: cyl 785/ sector 63/ head 127 > > > > Is the 2nd partition supposed to be wd1s2? > > No. This is what I eluded to in my first mail. Extended DOS partitions > are handled differently. But it's easy, they start numbering at '5' > rather than the next slice number. So, to mount the first extended DOS > partition, you type, > > # mount -t msdos /dev/wd1s5 /win2 > > The biggest chanllenge is that you might have toe create the device > with MAKEDEV, > > # cd /dev > # ./MAKEDEV wd0s5 > > If you have troubles with this, we ought to move it to -questions. Not necessary. Thanks, it worked. --Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 24 20:45:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F1E14D36 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:45:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mc4pc@goodnet.com) Received: from p200mmxntwks (hdsl85.phnx.uswest.net [216.160.197.85]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19897; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:44:50 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: From: "Max Calvo" To: "Flora Guerrero Cauejas" , Subject: RE: consulta Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:44:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001101be6079$96c14370$55c5a0d8@p200mmxntwks.maxcalvo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BE603E.EA626B70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <000701be5fda$97044020$5e2390c1@t0e0o5> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BE603E.EA626B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Flora; Si se puede hacer varias particiones al un disco. Lo que necesitas es 'fdisk' o algun programa que te pueda particionar el disco duro. 'Fdisk' biene con DOS. Tambien no es necesario particionar el disco duro.. Una manera que puedes installar FreeBSD es crear un floppy de installation is 'boot' la computadora con ese disco. Si tenes mas preguntas mandamelas. -Max -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Flora Guerrero Cauejas Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 2:47 AM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: consulta Hola.Mí pregunta es la siguiente:tengo un 486 al que le cambié el disco duro y ahora tiene uno de 1 Gb.El problema se encuentra en que no puedo hacer con él partición alguna,por lo que la pregunta es: cómo puedo instalar FreeBSD sin tener que realizar particiones(ya que no se puede),es posible?. Les agradezco de antemano su posible respuesta.Un saludo!. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BE603E.EA626B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Flora;
 
Si se=20 puede hacer varias particiones al un disco. Lo que necesitas es 'fdisk' = o algun=20 programa que te pueda particionar el disco duro.  'Fdisk' biene con = DOS.=20 Tambien no es necesario particionar el disco duro.. Una manera que = puedes=20 installar FreeBSD es crear un floppy de installation is 'boot' la = computadora=20 con ese disco. Si tenes mas preguntas mandamelas.
 
-Max
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-newbies@F= reeBSD.ORG=20 [mailto:owner-freebsd-ne= wbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On=20 Behalf Of Flora Guerrero Cauejas
Sent: Wednesday, = February 24,=20 1999 2:47 AM
To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:=20 consulta

Hola.Mí pregunta es la=20 siguiente:tengo un 486 al que le cambié el disco duro y ahora = tiene=20 uno de 1 Gb.El problema se encuentra en que no puedo hacer con = él=20 partición alguna,por lo que la pregunta es: cómo puedo = instalar FreeBSD sin tener que realizar particiones(ya que no se = puede),es=20 posible?.
Les agradezco de antemano su = posible=20 respuesta.Un saludo!.
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BE603E.EA626B70-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 24 20:55:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 97B4914D34 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:55:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 2132 invoked by alias); 25 Feb 1999 04:54:46 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 2105 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 1999 04:54:45 -0000 Received: from bdsl224.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.169.224) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 1999 04:54:45 -0000 Message-ID: <36D4D721.783C6461@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:52:49 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mc4pc@goodnet.com Cc: Flora Guerrero Cauejas , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consulta References: <001101be6079$96c14370$55c5a0d8@p200mmxntwks.maxcalvo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Reading around the HTML tags is bad enough, but when you choose a low-contrast color scheme like that, it makes it nearly impossible. Please be more considerate. -- Darren Pilgrim, CIO/CTO, PAS Inc. -------...........---- ICQ: 29880099 dpilgrim@uswest.net or gryph@mindless.com \\\\|//// PGP-DH/DSS Enabled If you're gonna build a house of cards, use the plastic coated kind. Cuz I'll bet the homeowner's insurance won't cover flood damage. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 24 21:33:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FF814F13 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:33:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id QAA28458; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:32:47 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990225163240.34711@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:32:40 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consulta References: <001101be6079$96c14370$55c5a0d8@p200mmxntwks.maxcalvo.net> <36D4D721.783C6461@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK boys and girls, how about a list of the lessons we learn here? Nobody deliberately does the wrong thing, so let's start making _helpful_ suggestions for posting to the mailing lists. We need to post effectively so that we'll be taken seriously among the big boys who think it's all "common sense", and so that we will be seen as friendly by those who form their first impressions of us when they stumble into one of our lists. Most of this stuff is in the resources for this mailing list, but speak up if you don't understand or feel strongly against anything. I'll start, you follow: * If someone writes to an English language list in another language, any response should include the English translations. Why? Because us monolinguals expect to see what's going on, and because the person who posted might be monolingual too, and because it'll keep the rabid monolinguals quiet. * If someone writes to an English language list in another language, the response should politely direct them to whatever mailing list and/or other information is available in their own language. Why? Because they deserve to have access to the most convenient resources, and because people able to respond should also be able (and be bothered) to provide the necessary pointers. * ??? * ??? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 25 5:46:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gold.com.br (gold-1.horizontes.com.br [200.215.160.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB6C14D24 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 05:46:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vcrhp@iname.com) Received: from iname.com (line1528.horizontes.com.br [200.215.167.243]) by gold.com.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22586; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:43:21 -0300 Message-ID: <36D54C16.B44C378E@iname.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:11:50 -0300 From: "" Nando Augusto 95r "" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: castguer@lugo.usc.es, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: consulta References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I speak portuguese but I won't try to speak spanish, se usted non compreender e-mail back. You can use a program called presizer, but before is *highly* recomendable do a backup, because its normaly don't work well. I also advice you to try the users group of your region. > At 10:46 +0100 1999.2.24, Flora Guerrero Cauejas wrote: > Hola.Mí pregunta es la siguiente:tengo un 486 al que le cambié el disco > duro y ahora tiene uno de 1 Gb.El problema se encuentra en que no puedo > hacer con él partición alguna,por lo que la pregunta es: cómo puedo > instalar FreeBSD sin tener que realizar particiones(ya que no se puede),es > posible?. > Les agradezco de antemano su posible respuesta.Un saludo!. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 25 15:19:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from carabosse.oleane.net (carabosse.oleane.net [194.2.28.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318A214ED7 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:19:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jaco@titine.fr.eu.org) Received: from tom.oleane.net (tom.oleane.net [194.2.28.14]) by carabosse.oleane.net with ESMTP id XAA32296 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:49:18 +0100 Received: from titine.fr.eu.org (root@dyn-1-1-013.Tls.dialup.oleane.fr [194.2.21.13]) by tom.oleane.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11724 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:19:16 +0100 Received: (from jaco@localhost) by titine.fr.eu.org (8.9.2+3.1W/8.8.8/Eric Jacoboni - 20/08/98) id AAA00249; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:34:18 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: minimal download for a test install ? From: Eric Jacoboni Date: 26 Feb 1999 00:34:18 +0100 Message-ID: <85k8x6cb2d.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm a Linux user since 3 years and i want now to test another Unix flavor. I plan to build a 3.1-RELEASE from scratch : i've downloaded kern.flp and mfsroot.flp. Both disks runs the installation process and i've created 1 slice and 2 partitions in it to host FBSD on my system : one for swap, one for / (i'll see later a multiple fs configuration). Now, i need to know what to download to have a _minimal_ FBSD system running (i'll populate it later). In order to ease this installation process, i think the best solution is to download the files on my DOS partition to install them : i've tried the ftp solution but it doesn't work : i've a dialup connection and all the docs i've read (Handbook, Faq) are not so verbose on the ppp config during the installation process :( So i prefer download the files using my Linux Box, put them in a DOS partition and use them for installation. So my question : what are the absolute mandatory files/directories to have a minimal FBSD system ? (be cool with my phone bill ;-) Thanks in advance, -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Éric Jacoboni « No sport ! » (W. Churchill) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 25 20:45:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6581114EB4 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:45:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id XAA04982; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:54:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199902260454.XAA04982@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: minimal download for a test install ? In-Reply-To: <85k8x6cb2d.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> from Eric Jacoboni at "Feb 26, 99 00:34:18 am" To: jaco@titine.fr.eu.org (Eric Jacoboni) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:54:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Jacoboni wrote, > So my question : what are the absolute mandatory files/directories to > have a minimal FBSD system ? (be cool with my phone bill ;-) Depends on what abilities are mandatory to you. Generally, people say that the 'bin' and 'manpages' distributions are the _absolute_ minimum. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 25 23:36: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C6AB14DA7 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:36:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 19787 invoked by alias); 26 Feb 1999 07:35:36 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 19455 invoked by uid 0); 26 Feb 1999 07:35:23 -0000 Received: from bdsl224.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.169.224) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 26 Feb 1999 07:35:23 -0000 Message-ID: <36D64E46.801B4E44@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:33:26 -0800 From: D Pilgrim Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cjclark@home.com Cc: Eric Jacoboni , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: minimal download for a test install ? References: <199902260454.XAA04982@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Feb 26, 1999 @ around 04:55 GMT, Crist J. Clark wrote: >Eric Jacoboni wrote, >> So my question : what are the absolute mandatory files/directories >> to have a minimal FBSD system ? (be cool with my phone bill ;-) > >Depends on what abilities are mandatory to you. Generally, people say >that the 'bin' and 'manpages' distributions are the _absolute_ >minimum. If I recall correctly (been years since a minimal install), bin includes only vi, in which case you might want to add emacs to the list if you're none too keen on vi. -- dpilgrim@uswest.net ICQ: 29880099 gryph@mindless.com PGP DH/DSS key available If you're gonna build a house of cards, use the plastic coated kind Cuz I'll bet the homeowner's insurance won't cover flood damage To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 26 0:45:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABB214ED5 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:45:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id TAA03690; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:44:57 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990226194453.45866@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:44:53 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: D Pilgrim Cc: cjclark@home.com, Eric Jacoboni , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: minimal download for a test install ? References: <199902260454.XAA04982@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> <36D64E46.801B4E44@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <36D64E46.801B4E44@uswest.net>; from D Pilgrim on Thu, Feb 25, 1999 at 11:33:26PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 25, 1999 at 11:33:26PM -0800, D Pilgrim wrote: > On Feb 26, 1999 @ around 04:55 GMT, Crist J. Clark wrote: > >Eric Jacoboni wrote, > >> So my question : what are the absolute mandatory files/directories > >> to have a minimal FBSD system ? (be cool with my phone bill ;-) > > > >Depends on what abilities are mandatory to you. Generally, people say > >that the 'bin' and 'manpages' distributions are the _absolute_ > >minimum. > > If I recall correctly (been years since a minimal install), bin includes > only vi, in which case you might want to add emacs to > the list if you're none too keen on vi. No-no-no, bin includes ed, and ed is a perfectly good editor. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 26 6:42:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E08B14F53 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:42:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id JAA06018; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:50:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199902261450.JAA06018@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: minimal download for a test install ? In-Reply-To: <19990226194453.45866@welearn.com.au> from Sue Blake at "Feb 26, 99 07:44:53 pm" To: sue@welearn.com.au (Sue Blake) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:50:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: dpilgrim@uswest.net, cjclark@home.com, jaco@titine.fr.eu.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote, > On Thu, Feb 25, 1999 at 11:33:26PM -0800, D Pilgrim wrote: > > On Feb 26, 1999 @ around 04:55 GMT, Crist J. Clark wrote: > > >Eric Jacoboni wrote, > > >> So my question : what are the absolute mandatory files/directories > > >> to have a minimal FBSD system ? (be cool with my phone bill ;-) > > > > > >Depends on what abilities are mandatory to you. Generally, people say > > >that the 'bin' and 'manpages' distributions are the _absolute_ > > >minimum. > > > > If I recall correctly (been years since a minimal install), bin includes > > only vi, in which case you might want to add emacs to > > the list if you're none too keen on vi. > > No-no-no, bin includes ed, and ed is a perfectly good editor. Whoa! Either you're making jokes that a lot of newbies might not get or you made a little mistake there, Sue. 'ed' is a line editor. In fact, vi is a 'visual' (and more user friendly =) version of ed. Did you mean 'ee,' Sue? BTW, there is a pretty funny (but I'm a geek, but if you're on this list too...) Usenet message about ed, vi, and emacs that comes with the emacs distribution. See the message with subject, "The True Path (long)" in /usr/local/share/emacs/20.2/etc/JOKES. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 26 6:59:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C1814F57 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:59:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id BAA04392; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 01:58:45 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990227015840.62022@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 01:58:41 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: cjclark@home.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: EDitors [was: minimal download for a test install ?] References: <19990226194453.45866@welearn.com.au> <199902261450.JAA06018@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199902261450.JAA06018@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com>; from Crist J. Clark on Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 09:50:59AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Feb 26, 1999 at 09:50:59AM -0500, Crist J. Clark wrote: > Sue Blake wrote, > > On Thu, Feb 25, 1999 at 11:33:26PM -0800, D Pilgrim wrote: > > > On Feb 26, 1999 @ around 04:55 GMT, Crist J. Clark wrote: > > > >Eric Jacoboni wrote, > > > >> So my question : what are the absolute mandatory files/directories > > > >> to have a minimal FBSD system ? (be cool with my phone bill ;-) > > > > > > > >Depends on what abilities are mandatory to you. Generally, people say > > > >that the 'bin' and 'manpages' distributions are the _absolute_ > > > >minimum. > > > > > > If I recall correctly (been years since a minimal install), bin includes > > > only vi, in which case you might want to add emacs to > > > the list if you're none too keen on vi. > > > > No-no-no, bin includes ed, and ed is a perfectly good editor. > > Whoa! Either you're making jokes that a lot of newbies might not get > or you made a little mistake there, Sue. And here comes Chris, Right on cue :-) Got any better ideas for stopping people from being so bloody serious round here? > 'ed' is a line editor. In > fact, vi is a 'visual' (and more user friendly =) version of ed. Well that's a bit of a stretch. It's a visual version of ex (and ex is a more complex version of ed) but *I* regard ed as more friendly than vi. (The more perceptive among you might detect a slight bias against vi here) > Did you mean 'ee,' Sue? Yes I could have meant ee, but no, I didn't mean ee. You can get the full story at http://www.daemonnews.org/199810/editing.html > BTW, there is a pretty funny (but I'm a geek, but if you're on this > list too...) Usenet message about ed, vi, and emacs that comes with > the emacs distribution. See the message with subject, "The True Path > (long)" in /usr/local/share/emacs/20.2/etc/JOKES. Aha, I never knew that file was there before, thanks! Of course, I agree with every word and can't imagine how anyone could have pulled this finely written and well researched treatise on ed into a jokes file that is only available after installing emacs :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 26 9:41: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shell.tsoft.com (shell.tsoft.com [207.201.34.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B1514F8F for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:41:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from philip@shell.tsoft.com) Received: (from philip@localhost) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA11894; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:40:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:40:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902261740.JAA11894@shell.tsoft.com> X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tsoft.com: philip set sender to philip@shell.tsoft.com using -f From: Philip Stripling To: cjclark@home.com Cc: sue@welearn.com.au, dpilgrim@uswest.net, cjclark@home.com, jaco@titine.fr.eu.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199902261450.JAA06018@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> (cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Subject: Serious question -- was Re: minimal download... References: <199902261450.JAA06018@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Crist J. Clark" Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:50:59 -0500 (EST) >SNIP< BTW, there is a pretty funny (but I'm a geek, but if you're on this list too...) Usenet message about ed, vi, and emacs that comes with the emacs distribution. See the message with subject, "The True Path (long)" in /usr/local/share/emacs/20.2/etc/JOKES. The message about ed is funny because it's true. I especially liked the following: ------begin quote--------- Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed: golem> ed ? help ? ? ? quit ? exit ? bye ? hello? ? eat flaming death ? ^C ? ^C ? ^D ? ---------end quote-------- Now _that's_ funny! And true. Serious question: By the way, my ISP uses FreeBSD, and the sysadmin is a true vi believer, but he put emacs on the computer just for me. Unfortunately, he does not know anything more about emacs than how to install it. It ran fine for a time, and then gnus started freezing up right after it was through "Reading nntp." It just sits there forever, I have no control over the program at all, not even ^Z causes emacs to suspend and dump me into the shell. I telnet in from my Mac, and I have to quit my telnet program, restart it, and log in again. emacs 20.3.3 and gnus 5.6.45. The gnus FAQ says SCO Unix has this problem; is this a known issue with FreeBSD? The sysadmin suggested a change in my settings that is causing the problem; I telnetted in from a Windows NT box and got the same result, though. Any help appreciated. Phil -- Phil Stripling The Civilized Explorer http://www.cieux.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 26 10:23: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from carabosse.oleane.net (carabosse.oleane.net [194.2.28.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35BE1507D for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:23:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jaco@titine.fr.eu.org) Received: from tom.oleane.net (tom.oleane.net [194.2.28.14]) by carabosse.oleane.net with ESMTP id TAA30824; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:22:37 +0100 Received: from titine.fr.eu.org (root@dyn-1-1-023.Tls.dialup.oleane.fr [194.2.21.23]) by tom.oleane.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16036; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:22:35 +0100 Received: (from jaco@localhost) by titine.fr.eu.org (8.9.2+3.1W/8.8.8/Eric Jacoboni - 20/08/98) id TAA02501; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:18:44 +0100 (CET) To: cjclark@home.com Cc: sue@welearn.com.au (Sue Blake), dpilgrim@uswest.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: minimal download for a test install ? References: <199902261450.JAA06018@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> From: Eric Jacoboni Date: 26 Feb 1999 19:18:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Crist J. Clark"'s message of "Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:50:59 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: <85n2211117.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Crist J. Clark" writes: > Whoa! Either you're making jokes that a lot of newbies might not get > or you made a little mistake there, Sue. 'ed' is a line editor. In > fact, vi is a 'visual' (and more user friendly =) version of ed. I remember the first file i've ever created under Linux was with ed... Nice thing ;-) Anyway, i've downloaded bin directory, i'm gonna shutdown Linux and try the FBSD install again... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Éric Jacoboni « No sport ! » (W. Churchill) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 26 17:30:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79DD15019 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA08146 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:30:12 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:30:12 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199902270130.MAA08146@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. 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--------------B78FE118D608219F15E54B76-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 27 0:19:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613AC15130; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 00:19:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id TAA09282; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:18:49 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990227191844.12091@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:18:44 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Share notebook Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: realtek8129 References: <36D84A3B.A383D361@singnet.com.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <36D84A3B.A383D361@singnet.com.sg>; from Share notebook on Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 03:40:43AM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm sending your question on to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (because freebsd-newbies is only social chat). Someone from freebsd-questions should be able to send an answer directly to you at sinelin@singnet.com.sg On Sun, Feb 28, 1999 at 03:40:43AM +0800, Share notebook wrote: > hi > i am running bsd2.2.5 and would like to add support for the realtek8129 > available in 3.1 > Is this possible? and How? > thanks > TH -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 27 11:15:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cgocable.net (mail.cgocable.net [24.226.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2488215179 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:15:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjyoung@cgocable.net) Received: from maxximus (cgowave-20-90.cgocable.net [24.226.20.90]) by mail.cgocable.net (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA17284 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:15:41 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "R. J. Young" To: Subject: Re: Download and installation Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:16:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be6285$abc15860$05ffa8c0@maxximus.cgocable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I'm a newbie! :-) ....and a computer student. Anyway, is there a way that I can create a bootable cd for FreeBSD, and if so I would need a list of files to make a complete CD. If so could you please provide me with the list of files, and suitable instructions? We are starting a FreeBSD club at school. Thanks. Rob Young rjyoung@cgocable.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 27 11:58:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gold.com.br (gold-1.horizontes.com.br [200.215.160.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AD514BDB for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:58:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vcrhp@iname.com) Received: from iname.com (line0073.horizontes.com.br [200.215.162.82]) by gold.com.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA02299; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:57:47 -0300 Message-ID: <36D84E4B.B9F4884@iname.com> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:58:03 -0300 From: "" Nando Augusto 95r "" Organization: "FreeBSD - A small step for Unix, but a giant leap to PCs" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rjyoung@cgocable.net, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Download and installation References: <000001be6285$abc15860$05ffa8c0@maxximus.cgocable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Have you experienced make a FreeBSD Install Fest? I will try to explain: One determinaded day everyone who bring his computer to a determinaded placed (i.e.: computer lab) will have the FreeBSD freely installed (by a pro) in his machine. And than he backs to house use and like the FreeBSD, and after show it to everybody, that also say to every body,... "R. J. Young" wrote: > > Hi! > > I'm a newbie! :-) > > ....and a computer student. > > Anyway, is there a way that I can create a bootable cd for FreeBSD, and if > so I would need a list of files to make a complete CD. > > If so could you please provide me with the list of files, and suitable > instructions? > > We are starting a FreeBSD club at school. > > Thanks. > > Rob Young > rjyoung@cgocable.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 27 13:18:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3430E15157 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:18:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 16471 invoked by alias); 27 Feb 1999 21:18:36 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 16453 invoked by uid 0); 27 Feb 1999 21:18:36 -0000 Received: from bdsl224.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.169.224) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 27 Feb 1999 21:18:36 -0000 Message-ID: <36D8612B.DC5AF510@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:18:35 -0800 From: D Pilgrim Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rjyoung@cgocable.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Download and installation References: <000001be6285$abc15860$05ffa8c0@maxximus.cgocable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "R. J. Young" wrote: >Hi! Hello! >I'm a newbie! :-) So am I, to FreeBSD anyway. >....and a computer student. The coincidence is spooky! :-) >Anyway, is there a way that I can create a bootable cd for FreeBSD, >and if so I would need a list of files to make a complete CD. > >If so could you please provide me with the list of files, and >suitable instructions? Have you read the FreeBSD Handbook yet? If not, go to www.freebsd.org/handbook/ and read, read, read. It's recommended that you read the entire Handbook, but that's a lot of reading, and most of the information isn't really needed until you're up and running. Part 1 (particularly Chapter 2) has the information you'll need to get started. If you have enough money, you may also want to get Greg Lehey's book, "The Complete FreeBSD". Highly recommended. Your local book emporium should have it. Amazon.com and Barne's & Noble have it, and most bookstores can order it for you. The second edition is ISBN # 1-57176-216-7. I think it was about $60. Personally, I prefer to order the CDs and install that way, it's faster, and if I blow it (and boy have I ever), it's really easy to just clean off and start over. If you have the money to order them. Fortunately, with FreeBSD it's legal to use the same CD set to install on multiple computers, so perhaps you and the other who want to start a FreeBSD club can all chip in to buy a set? Below is some info about ordering the CDs. You can order a complete 4 CD set of FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE direct from Walnut Creek CD-ROM: www.cdrom.com/titles/os/freebsd.htm From there you can order the set for US$44.95 shipped to the US, Canada, and Mexico, or $48.95 shipped to anywhere in the world. The page also has a list of list to handy dandy pages, including the FreeBSD Handbook in several languages. So ordering Greg Lehey's book, plus the 3.1 CDs will run you about $100, about the price of a Windows 98 upgrade CD, and you don't get a nice print manual with Windows 98. Not too shabby... Note: Your questions about where to start are welcome here. But if you have any technical questions or need help configuring some part of FreeBSD, you should direct those questions to the main tech support list at freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. You don't have to subscribe to freebsd-questions to send a question, just make sure to request an e-mailed reply. (Did I get it right Sue?) > We are starting a FreeBSD club at school. I should have done that, but was out of school before I found FreeBSD. A shame, I could have helped to turn many a young mind away from the dark side. ;-) Speaking of user groups, where are you located? There may be a FreeBSD Users' Group near you and they will be able to help you immensely. A list (not sure how complete) of user groups can be found at www.freebsd.org/support.html#user > Thanks. You're welcome. -- dpilgrim@uswest.net ICQ: 29880099 gryph@mindless.com PGP DH/DSS key available If you're gonna build a house of cards, use the plastic coated kind Cuz I'll bet the homeowner's insurance won't cover flood damage -- dpilgrim@uswest.net ICQ: 29880099 gryph@mindless.com PGP DH/DSS key available If you're gonna build a house of cards, use the plastic coated kind Cuz I'll bet the homeowner's insurance won't cover flood damage To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 27 16: 9: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26E615189 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:08:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA11161; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:08:26 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990228110821.60308@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:08:21 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: D Pilgrim Cc: rjyoung@cgocable.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Subscribing to -questions [was: Download and installation] References: <000001be6285$abc15860$05ffa8c0@maxximus.cgocable.net> <36D8612B.DC5AF510@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <36D8612B.DC5AF510@uswest.net>; from D Pilgrim on Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 01:18:35PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 01:18:35PM -0800, D Pilgrim wrote: > > You don't have to subscribe to freebsd-questions to send a question, > just make sure to request an e-mailed reply. > > (Did I get it right Sue?) Thank you, very well said :-) But it's probably time to clarify the two sides of the subscribe or not question. Generally all newbies should be subscribed to freebsd-questions. There'll be a lot of mail that you don't understand, but in between you'll pick up an awful lot of useful info, and save yourself from falling into traps or being the first to ask a question that feels dumb. Participating in freebsd-questions helps the community in three ways: 1 There are enough experts there that any imperfect answers are corrected pretty quickly so we keep our standards high. 2 All questions, answers and discussions from freebsd-questions go into the searchable archive on the web site, which has saved many a neck and helped people to solve their problems without letting on they'd goofed. 3 And third, it really helps the community to see newbies taking part with the mainstream. Some of them are just getting to know what these silent newbie types are like and we can help them adjust by getting in there and showing that we're alive and thinking for ourselves. I'm sure you'd like to see other newbies there, and might even be able to offer assistance. I know a lot of you already contribute in other ways too, through -advocacy and -doc for example. So yeah, it's expected that every newbie should subscribe to freebsd-questions and occasionally someone will heavy you to subscribe for your own good. But there are some people who genuinely can't. A person's first question might arise before they've had a chance. Internet access is not so easy in all countries, some people only getting a few minutes twice a week over a 2400 baud modem. Also blind people and others using special equipment would have serious trouble with the volume. We don't need to know the details, just as long as those who can subscribe do so, and the others check the archive first to make sure their question hasn't been asked five times in the last week. It is normal practice on all freebsd lists to do group replies, i.e., to reply to the sender and the list. If you're not subscribed it doesn't hurt to politely request an emailed reply just in case the person with the best answer doesn't conform to this practice. If you need to respond to one of these personally copied answers, be sure to send it to the list, not just to the individual who answered you. And if you ever get any flack about your email style, or anything else, come back here and we'll sort it out. BTW, to those new to these mailing lists, notice how I've changed the subject line because the subject changed, and retained a trace of the former subject to help keep track of message threads. You'll see this done in the -advocacy and -chat lists where conversations can go on cycling through topics for ages, though more often people forget to make the change. You might also notice that I've quoted only that part of the message that I was responding to, and used the chatty list name abbreviations like "-questions" for "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" and so on. And as usual I've prattled on far too long :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 27 17:11:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43E2815187 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:11:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 27277 invoked by alias); 28 Feb 1999 01:11:27 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 27231 invoked by uid 0); 28 Feb 1999 01:11:26 -0000 Received: from bdsl224.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.169.224) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 1999 01:11:26 -0000 Message-ID: <36D897BC.B4CADC9B@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:11:24 -0800 From: D Pilgrim Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: rjyoung@cgocable.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Subscribing to -questions [was: Download and installation] References: <000001be6285$abc15860$05ffa8c0@maxximus.cgocable.net> <36D8612B.DC5AF510@uswest.net> <19990228110821.60308@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Feb 28, 1999 @ around 00:08GMT, Sue Blake wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 1999 at 01:18:35PM -0800, D Pilgrim wrote: > > > > You don't have to subscribe to freebsd-questions to send a question, > > just make sure to request an e-mailed reply. > > > > (Did I get it right Sue?) > > Thank you, very well said :-) But it's probably time to clarify the two > sides of the subscribe or not question. > > Generally all newbies should be subscribed to freebsd-questions. > There'll be a lot of mail that you don't understand, but in between > you'll pick up an awful lot of useful info, and save yourself from > falling into traps or being the first to ask a question that feels > dumb. I had forgotten about the advantages of eavesdropping. :-) The last time I followed -questions, I was getting around 300 e-mails per day, that was just after the release of 2.2.7. My current ISP only gave me 2MB of space for web pages AND my inbox so I don't have the space to handle that much e-mail. As soon as I can start spooling locally I will, but until then... > Internet access is not so easy in all countries, some people only > getting a few minutes twice a week over a 2400 baud modem. Also blind > people and others using special equipment would have serious trouble > with the volume. Up until around 1993 I had always thought that flat rate phone serivce was available the world over. Then I found out some of the metering rates charged in Asia, it's insane! I hang my head in shame at the admission of how technologically spoiled I am. > And if you ever get any flack about your email style, or anything else, > come back here and we'll sort it out. It's all about netiquette (internet etiquette). Like don't shout (use all caps), or 7yP3 L1|<3 7}{1$! (that's elite for "type like this"), I had a bookmark of a really great page on netiquette... > You might also notice that I've quoted only that part of the message > that I was responding to, and used the chatty list name abbreviations > like "-questions" for "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" and so on. And as > usual I've prattled on far too long :-) Oh yes, editting out irrelevant parts is very neccessary. An old custom from Usenet is to add "" or some variant to indicate where you made your cuts (think scissors). I don't think you prattled on. You sent me an e-mail that was 10KB long the other day, this one was only 4KB. Slipping? > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- Oh yeah, and never quote a person's signature. -- dpilgrim@uswest.net ICQ: 29880099 gryph@mindless.com PGP DH/DSS key available If you're gonna build a house of cards, use the plastic coated kind Cuz I'll bet the homeowner's insurance won't cover flood damage -- dpilgrim@uswest.net ICQ: 29880099 gryph@mindless.com PGP DH/DSS key available If you're gonna build a house of cards, use the plastic coated kind Cuz I'll bet the homeowner's insurance won't cover flood damage To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 27 18:38:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pds.uberhacker.org (uberhacker.org [207.229.169.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 412EC14C92 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:38:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pds@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 23028 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Feb 1999 02:43:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Feb 1999 02:43:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:43:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Paul D. Schmidt" X-Sender: pds@uberhacker.org To: pds@enteract.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Wanted: Spreadsheet program reccomendations Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I know there are a billion spreadsheet programs in the ports tree, but does anyone have any reccomendations for good ones? My first concern is stability. If it core dumps every 5 minutes, obviously it's no good...the only real requirement that I need is being able to change the cell width, so it's pretty open :) Thanks, Paul -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul D. Schmidt EnterAct, L.L.C. 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