Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:34:36 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org> Cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org, Andre Oppermann <andre@FreeBSD.org>, John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>, Peter Wemm <peter@wemm.org>, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, Tijl Coosemans <tijl@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r251886 - in head: contrib/apr contrib/apr-util contrib/serf contrib/sqlite3 contrib/subversion share/mk usr.bin usr.bin/svn usr.bin/svn/lib usr.bin/svn/lib/libapr usr.bin/svn/lib/libap... Message-ID: <68D70A89-22F2-412C-BAF4-72BEFE21EB2F@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <F96228E4-16C3-4238-B54B-7E7C0C08B95B@FreeBSD.org> References: <201306180253.r5I2rj45053959@svn.freebsd.org> <11DA3D8A-AD20-4DE1-B807-D09814F61947@bsdimp.com> <51C1C7BD.9060201@FreeBSD.org> <201306191113.29703.jhb@freebsd.org> <A5DB9B17-9622-4F65-A902-4984CDD82DC3@FreeBSD.org> <8D00BE2B-FD8E-4E7B-B818-1C4B7F6BB6A5@bsdimp.com> <F96228E4-16C3-4238-B54B-7E7C0C08B95B@FreeBSD.org>
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On Jun 20, 2013, at 2:40 AM, David Chisnall wrote: > On 20 Jun 2013, at 00:10, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: >=20 >>> - FreeBSD developers, who are probably okay with installing a port, = but would prefer a version that didn't depend on kitchen/sink? >>>=20 >>> - Users, who wish to be able to update the source tree and then = either build world, or build some optional parts that are not part of = the default install? >>>=20 >>> - Some other category of svn consumer? >>>=20 >>> I think having a definitive statement as to the intention of svnlite = would help frame the discussion in a more productive format. >>=20 >> How do I roll back to last week with FreeBSD-update? >=20 > Which of the classes of user that I outlined do you think wants to be = able to do that? As a FreeBSD user, I never felt the desire to do that, = but maybe I was unusual. As a FreeBSD developer, I don't mind = installing the svn port to be able to do it (although I'd prefer a more = lightweight port). I would expect the same to apply to the sort of = engaged user who is willing to bisect to track down a bug. =20 People trying new versions of FreeBSD. Some of them install the release, = others might install a snapshot, some will do an install world. But if = it worked in release 9.3 and broke in 9.4, then to find where they would = need to install an svn port to get all the points in between. Not having to install a port, possibly a port that got messed up by the = world you just build, is a big win for me in my mind. Users often have = commented to me that running FreeBSD gets harder and harder with more = hoops to jump through to do things that used to be easy. Installing svn = is one more hoop. It, by itself isn't a huge hoop, but if we can avoid = that hoop we should. I do mind installing a port to do this. We've kicked too much out of the = tree in the name of anti-bloat, and frankly I'm glad to see this. I think insisting on a definitive statement on svn lite's mission = statement is a way to obstruct progress. Sometimes you just need to = things because they feel right, not because they have been through a = 20-step approval process... Warner
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