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Date:      Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:37:35 +0200
From:      Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
To:        "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Feature removal without replacement (was: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha machdep.c src/sys/conf NOTES) 
Message-ID:  <9645.1018417055@critter.freebsd.dk>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:57:47 %2B0930." <20020410145747.C22430@wantadilla.lemis.com> 

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In message <20020410145747.C22430@wantadilla.lemis.com>, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" 
writes:

>>> revision 1.260
>>> date: 2000/06/13 22:28:46;  author: peter;  state: Exp;  lines: +40 -46
>>> Borrow phk's axe and apply the next stage of config(8)'s evolution.
>>> <snip>
>>> userconfig will be rewritten to use this style interface one day and will
>>> move to /boot/userconfig.4th or something like that.
>
>I don't see any evidence there that this meant that userconfig was
>going away.

The little "[...]" and the end is indicative that there is more to
be found at the source.

I don't think the majority of committers need a two year old very
long commit entry repeated just because you can't be bothered to
look it up.

>>>>> Specifically, what do people do when they're installing the system
>>>>> from CD on an old ISA machine?  It looks like they're stuck.
>>>>
>>>> They uses the loader and their hints file.
>>>
>>> Is that documented?  This looks very much like hand-washing to me.
>>
>> And your email sounds like somebody who is a little too jumpy about
>> my commits and who can't be bothered to check his own facts...
>
>Well, that's what I was doing.  And yes, since it hasn't been
>documented anywhere (not even in the commit log), I'm a little jumpy.

Rubbish, look in the commitlog.

>We're still telling people in the documentation that Userconfig is
>functional, and I believe it still is in -STABLE.  But there's nothing
>in UPDATING, and to me it looks like you've decided we don't need it
>any more.

So I take it that you didn't even notice the "peter" in the part of
the commit message I pasted ?

I havn't killed userconfig, other people did that.

All I did here was pick up various assorted remaining bits which
had not been removed some of which had even been copy/pasted to new
architectures like sparc64 and ia64 despite the fact that they are
unlikely to ever see an ISA slot.


Considering that we have all sorts of facilities to examine cvs
logs, not the least of which are the linecounts in my original
commit message, it seems a bit to me like you must have a procmail
filter which goes "a commit by phk generated followup: PANIC" and
that you immediately assume that I'm guilty of something, rather
than spend 3 minutes to look up the subject matter before making a
fool of yourself in public with your ignorance...

You could of course also have sent private email instead, then I
might not have been as offended by your tone as I am now.

Just my not so humble opinion of course...

-- 
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