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Date:      Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:48:24 +0100
From:      Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de>
To:        jackoroses@gmail.com
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: 8.0 installation doesn't contain X distributions
Message-ID:  <20091211044824.5275b6ea.freebsd@edvax.de>
In-Reply-To: <1d001f850912100557n7cd73b64g61e130e0148bb434@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:57:44 -0500, Mike L <jackoroses@gmail.com> wrote:
> all I gotta say is I just spent 3 days compiling gnome2 for fbsd..
> It shouldn't take that long or be that hard/complicated.

I recognized increased compiling times since FreeBSD 7. I
was told that this is due to much more optimization in
the compiler. Okay, this is understandable, but why do
the compiledprograms run much slower (on the same hardware)?
Answer: Bloat and many dependency dependencies. At least
that's what I think.

The developers of the FreeBSD OS do an excellent job
delivering a system that runs faster and better on the
same hardware, but all these advantages seem to be taken
away by "modern" applications.

That's why compiling stuff myself is nearly a no-go for
my desktop. Only mplayer and mencoder (due to options that
HAVE to be set at compile time, mostly involving codecs
to include, as well as optimization).

If you say that you needed 3 days for Gnome 2 - and I
assume you own recent hardware - what should I say then
with my more than 5 years old P4 / 2GHz? Compiling bigger
applications won't be possible (in reasonable time) anymore
in the future unless you buy a new computer every year...
What a discouraging idea, I hope I'm not right with this.



> Back to the gnome
> install let it run again until the next application configuration screen.

There's an option for avoiding this ugly interactivity.
You can go through all imaginabel confire screens and
set them first, then let the process run without requiring
your presence.



> You can't just do a make config in the meta port for the entire process..
> That would be too easy..

I think it is "make config-recursive"...



> Last time I did a Xorg installed I just ended up doing a pkg_add because I
> grew tired of the problems I kept having with ports griping about this and
> that being outdated or whatever.

Yes, pkg_add is very welcome to most users I know, incuding
myself. The downside is that there are situations when there's
no package for a port (e. g. due to legal reasons or the
many different options). Can you imagine that in the past
you could easily "pkg_add -r de-openoffice" to install the
german version of OpenOffice?



> My intention with fbsd wasn't for a desktop though; but why install linux to
> get a feel for X(org) when we can do it on fbsd? Yet why should it feel like
> I'm a circus poodle trying to make it work?

Allthough it's not uncomplicated, it's not THAT complicated. :-)



-- 
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...



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