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Date:      Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:16:42 -0700
From:      "Ted Mittelstaedt" <>
To:        "Robert Clark" <>, "Don Wilde" <>
Cc:        "Gilbert Gong" <>, "j mckitrick" <>, <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: BSD, .Net comments - any reponse to this reasoning?
Message-ID:  <000001c109c8$ac006220$>
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The average person barely understands how software works to begin with,
and has had 40 years of IBM and Microsoft pounding away at how the
software market is supposed to operate.  That's a lot to overcome.
I think that the Berkely tie probably doesen't even register on the
radarscope of most people that are in the business.

Consider that the college-aged kid today was born in 1980, nearly
2 decades after Berkely's name was a household word during the LSD
years of the 60's.  Your showing your age, Robert.  (It makes me feel old

Ted Mittelstaedt                             
Author of:                           The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide
Book website:                

>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
>[mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert Clark
>Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:06 PM
>To: Don Wilde
>Cc: Gilbert Gong; Ted Mittelstaedt; j mckitrick;
>Subject: Re: BSD, .Net comments - any reponse to this reasoning?
>Would people have an easier time fitting their minds around the
>concepts inherent in FreeBSD, if Berkely/UC/California wasn't
>such a big part of the name.
>Maybe having lived in CA during the Regan era has something to
>do with it for me, but BSD makes a mental image as solid as a
>cinder block, and just about as sexy.
>Whether that is a good thing, in the face of something as hard
>to pin down as the meaning of GNU & GPL, is a question no one
>person could never answer. (?)
>"Can I use FreeBSD? I thought it was only for the UC schools."
>"FreeBSD, is that like UCSD Pascal?"
>On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 08:14:15AM -0600, Don Wilde wrote:
>> > > >A few other points..
>> > > >1) I hesitate to defend Bill Gates, but the man has given a
>lot of money
>> > to
>> > > >charity (and I mean a lot, even considering how much he has).
> As much as
>> >[snip]
>> > > lives, it's only when an individual devotes their entire being to the
>> > > gift that it truly indicates a striving to touch God in the individual.
>> >
>> Well said, Ted. Regardless of whether one believes the Christian story,
>> you are talking about the essence of humanity as a common species.
>> [snip]
>> > [stuff cut]
>> > > technology or education into technology.  There's a seeding of future
>> > > Microsoft sales here that should be obvious.
>> >
>> > Hm, didn't notice that ;)
>> >
>> Most of Bill Gates' contributions are not cash, they are copies of Doze
>> and Word.
>> There's an earlier example that's applicable. Andrew Carnegie was a
>> ruthless bastard in his youth, but many people said he had a change of
>> heart when he started being philanthropic. In actuality, his endowments
>> of Jesuit teachers' colleges and other educational institutions --
>> before there was ANY other alternative -- have done more to create the
>> modern dependency training factories (aka 'public schools') that we
>> (Americans) all pay for. He (and J.P.Morgan, Henry Ford, and
>> Rockefeller, Sr.) realized that they could not build their industrial
>> empires if they could not guarantee that people would be gullible enough
>> to buy their products and scared and dependent enough to accept the jobs
>> and working conditions that they offered. We see now the results of 6
>> generations of public schooling, and it's very telling that modern
>> schools spend more time concerned with nail files, pictures of army men,
>> and masturbation training than they do with anthropology and economics
>> and our Constitution.
>> Relating this back to advocacy [:-)], there's another educational
>> example that applies. In 1970, Ed Nagel founded the Santa Fe Community
>> School here in New Mexico. It's one of what are called 'free schools',
>> whose philosophy is that kids learn best when they follow their
>> interests. He has been villified and hounded by the Board of Education
>> and the NM State establishment for 30 years, including trumped-up
>> lawsuits, smears, and invasions by jackbooted thugs.
>> Here's a comment from him in a recent letter:
>> <<I'll bet you're getting awfully tired of fighting this fight over and
>> over again.>>
>>     Not really: "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance."  The War is
>> never over; only the battlefields change (and the troops).
>> My point is that here again the right of parents to educate their
>> children as they see fit is again under fire, this time on a national
>> level. The Party (As Ted says, there is only one two-headed monster) has
>> given us an 'education reform' bill that's the worst of both sides'
>> proposals, and the only thing it will accomplish is to solidify even
>> further the centralized control of power.
>> As believers in the Cause that we the people can create and maintain a
>> common base of software that is beyond the control of government or
>> economic power, we must realize that we will constantly be under
>> assault. "The War is never over..." and the weapons constantly change as
>> well as the battlefields and troops. Each of us holds the torch of
>> FreeBSD in our hearts (sorry, getting mushy!), and each has the right to
>> speak his/her convictions. More than that, we _each_ have the moral
>> obligation to speak and live our convictions. I'm glad we don't have a
>> Linus or a Stallman. I'm glad (as well as saddened) that Jordan is
>> moving on, because he was the one the media were looking to to speak for
>> us.
>> The reality is that FreeBSD is worthy precisely because it is a
>> collection of many individuals who cooperate to make it happen. The
>> media can't stand that, because we're not entertaining and that's all
>> they live for any more. That doesn't make us unworthy. I'm glad
>> Microsoft is noticing us; they even spelled our name right. FreeBSD is a
>> lot like the Libertarian Party. Nader and Buchanan got a lot of press,
>> but Libertarians have more and more people on the ballot every year, and
>> we're the ones who scare the GOP the most because we are building from a
>> solid base of committed activists... just like FreeBSD.
>> FreeBSD is surviving and growing because it works and because the
>> project model works. I'm not a core team coder, but I buy CDs and
>> DaemonNews and I'm using FreeBSD and Apache to build my business to the
>> point where I can support someone who _is_ a core team coder someday. We
>> all play our little part, and all of our enlightened self-interests
>> together move the project forward in the ways that we all benefit the
>> most.
>> That's how life SHOULD be.
>> --
>> Don Wilde 
>> Silver Lynx   Embedded Microsystems Architects
>> 2218 Southern Bl. Ste. 12 Rio Rancho, NM 87124
>> 505-891-4175                      FAX 891-4185
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