From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 8 13:43:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706E816A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultra36.almamedia.fi (ultra36.almamedia.fi [193.209.83.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBFF43D49 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 13:43:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from koston@iki.fi) Received: by ultra36.almamedia.fi (Postfix, from userid 60001) id 5BD741DA35; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:43:42 +0300 (EEST) Received: from norsu.kameli.org (ip213-185-39-27.laajakaista.mtv3.fi [213.185.39.27]) by ultra36.almamedia.fi (Postfix) with SMTP id E99381D1A2 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 23:43:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: by norsu.kameli.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 8 Apr 2004 22:45:27 +0000 From: "Atte Peltomaki" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 22:45:27 +0000 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040408224527.GA8299@norsu.kameli.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 04:59:08 -0700 Subject: Future of FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:43:46 -0000 Hello FreeBSD users and developers! As an active FreeBSD user, I'm ever so interested about the future plans of FreeBSD and direction of developement. Many of the features that 5.x taunts are very impressive. But as of late I have been increasingly worried about the direction (or, lack of direction) things have been going. Departure of Jordan and Greg. Jordan said it's not fun anymore. Is the strive for new features driving developers past their limits, or has jkh simply gotten old? Also kicking out Dillon, a very talented and active programmer, didn't look good at all, especially when it went down completely without any explanations to userbase. Stability of 5.x: from my point of view, the 5.x series, although including a lot of very fancy work in many areas, is nowhere near the reliability you'd expect from a stable FreeBSD release. Originally 5.x was due to go stable in the beginning of summer, are there any new plans made yet? Feature-wise: things simply don't seem quite ready. ACPI breaks every other box, ULE is still not SMP aware, Giant is far from being completely removed and so on. Yet, all these features have been presented in the media long ago, giving the impression they would be ready (soon). Now, I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone. I just want to talk about things with their real names. And when things are going bad, things are going bad and calling shit on one another ain't gonna make it one bit better. I would dearly like to hear an honest opinion from someone who feels he knows what he's talking about, against my feeble knowledge over much anything. And I would really like to see FreeBSD get a grip again, put the media behind it, see what's real and attainable and go an' do it, and as a user I will do what I can to assist. Cincerely, Atte Peltomäki http://kameli.org