From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 2 21:14:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9844106566B for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:14:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338078FC0C for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbg20 with SMTP id g20so4945377ghb.13 for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 13:14:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IBo85gy9Zdp3hyL4+R/FiyCfDnsiuJVQDcqOK0DywXk=; b=vdfkRtNrx0rpPAEaO/eEqKcEjS7/4zu+1Y30T54RofPJH6dXa6e1SCqJKkGyeOlZx8 skAtPqQ5UpOfV1joZLNGIKsXu17kMjRly+fmw2fhTw+IvoKy6AeaoYiQXBKg9EwQ26AG POdhWeNV6o4n2h6HEH+vThUUb5jggEv2t9VcQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.51.234 with SMTP id n10mr36454igo.10.1322860497232; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 13:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.171.82 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:14:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20111202015133.GA4111@dragon.NUXI.org> <20111202064132.GC88903@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <4ED8776F.9060301@FreeBSD.org> <20111202072349.GA89183@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20111202083501.GA73959@dragon.NUXI.org> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:14:57 -0800 Message-ID: From: Kevin Oberman To: Lucas Holt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , Lyndon Nerenberg , Chris Rees Subject: Re: WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:14:58 -0000 On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Lucas Holt wrote: > What if it was still included in tinderbox builds and releases. For the l= atter, the profiled versions could be in a separate distribution set much l= ike doc or games. =A0The ugly part is freebsd-update.. > > It could still be off by default in the buildworld as anyone smart enough= to do source upgrades can toggle something in src.conf. > > This should make lazy devs happy, speed up build times for those upset ab= out that, etc. it sucks for RE though. > > I was taught to use gprof in college and it was nice using the same tool = on school sun and Linux boxes as well as my own iBook and FreeBSD desktop. > > This might be a fair compromise for now with a EOL date in a future relea= se. At some point I assume dropping gnu tools with llvm transition makes se= nse > > Lucas Holt > > On Dec 2, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > >>> Isn't this about user choice, and making sensible defaults? >> >> There are two or three "users" out of thousands complaining about the de= fault. =A0If the extra build time bugs you that much, I'll contribute towar= ds buying you better build hardware, too. OK. I am NOT a developer but have run -current as a user for extended intervals (v4 through V6) as I needed hardware support for my laptop that was not available in -stable. I'm sure I am not alone.I may be installing current again to get Intel KMS support for my Sandybridge. I did discover the amount of time spent building profile libs and turned them off in make.conf (later src.conf), but I think it is really, really silly to have a default in -stable that is used by almost no one. and wastes a little disk space and some time (it was a LOT on my old AMD 450 MHz system). Beyond that, for the relatively small number of folks using the libs and the trivial effort for those who do use it to turn the build on if it was made non-default, I can't really see the argument for building them in -current as a winner, either. But please, please turn it off in -stable at the very least. --=20 R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com