From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 5 10:07:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066DF16A4CE for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgr2.xmission.com (mgr2.xmission.com [198.60.22.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9850C43F3F for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 10:07:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from [198.60.22.205] (helo=mgr5.xmission.com) by mgr2.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AHS4K-0001J9-02 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:07:48 -0700 Received: from mail by mgr5.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AHS4J-0003aD-05 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:07:47 -0700 Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr5.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AHRzO-0000Vt-05; Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:02:42 -0700 Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) hA5I4ouE006327; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.12.9p1/8.12.9/Submit) id hA5I4h9B006326; Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:04:43 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:04:43 -0700 From: Greg Lewis To: David Bullock Message-ID: <20031105180443.GB6153@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20031105141026.A95284@phantom.cris.net> <20031105225010.S60926-100000@arwen.lorien.dawnbreaks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031105225010.S60926-100000@arwen.lorien.dawnbreaks.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on mgr5.xmission.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: cc: Alexey Zelkin cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tip for Intellij IDEA 3.0.5v2 with 1.4.1-p3^H4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 18:07:50 -0000 On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 11:40:13PM +1030, David Bullock wrote: > On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 01:01:54PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > > I can well imagine that having access to quick compiling machine > > > > would be a basic need (mine's nothing special, BTW, just an Athlon > > > > XP 1800 with little else to do). The FreeBSD foundation don't > > > > exactly say what they're already doing, planning to do, and how > > > > well aligned their actuals and their budget is, so it is hard to > > > > know how to contribute. > > > > > > That's a fair comment. > > > > > > Greg, is it possible to open up the schedule of the BSD Java Porting > > > Team to the public? > > > > I don't think that we have any specific schedule. And I can't talk on > > behalf of Foundation, but can share recent progress with my work (i.e. > > porting of jdk1.4.x) What Alexey said :). Personally, I have enough schedules at work without imposing one on a hobby. That said, I think we'd like to do some things for the FreeBSD 5.2 release. Top of that list would be a 1.4.2 binary. > > In last weeks (followed -p4 release) I have complete with JDK 1.4.2 port. > > It's now in BSD/Java CVS and soon we'll have new patchset released. > > Well, this is great news to be sure. That will have been a > quite quick turnaround, IMHO, and you guys are to be congratulated. > I'm very grateful for the hard work that has been put in. But > JDK 1.5 will be coming out in the next 6 months (one hopes), and > that's barely enough time to patch up the rough edges, and invest > effort in turning a correct release into a *great* release. Working on 1.5 is of small benefit at the moment. Even if 1.4.2 was completely nailed down and released there is still a licensing issue. > Are the foundation sponsoring a developer to write the 'design > of the Java Virtual Machine on FreeBSD handbook', so as to allow > rapid scaling of the number of brains working on this and future > ports? I don't believe so. You'd have to ask the Foundation to be sure. > Is the precious time of (erm, all 3?) specialist JVM/BSD porters > being wasted waiting for compiles that could be 0.5 as long by adding > an extra CPU? I haven't ever tried 'make -j' on a multiprocessor machine, so I can't be sure :). > If the foundation is employing some great developers, but they > announce the JVM as 'finished', will they be kept on retainer > until the next JDK release, or might some of them have to find > a job in the meantime, and not be able to come back to the JVM? Thats really a question for the Foundation, and would no doubt depend on their funding. > Is the foundation going to benchmark the JVM? Get it certified? Pretty much anyone can do benchmarking. However, correctness is the first priority. By certification I assume you mean compliance? The answer, if so, is yes, since thats the only way to do a binary release. > FreeBSD can probably innovate in the area of getting Java apps > installed (Java hooks into pkg_db) once the Metadata JSR comes out. > Is this in the foundation's charter? I can't speak for the Foundation. The porting team have so far concentrated on the J2SDK itself and will probably continue to do. > What about simply getting ports made for the *mass* of Java software > out there? Feel free to send-pr and we'll try and get them committed. It may also be worthwhile emailing freebsd-java when you submit a Java port. There are interested committers who read the list but may not see the PR otherwise. > None of these issues or plans have been exposed to the public. This is more to do with not having a policy or the like on most of your questions than anything else. > It's probably not the right forum to ask them, but these questions > seem important to me. What's being done is great. But more could > be done, perhaps. More could always be done. What is needed is interested people to step up with time and/or money. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org