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MailTo:ksnnj@yahoo.com?subject=take-out To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Tue Nov 19 11: 0: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7525637B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D2343E91 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:00:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJJ02x3060094 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:00:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAJJ0260060093; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF7C37B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6DF43E9C for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:57:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.lonesome.com (cs2876-77.austin.rr.com [24.28.76.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C9B140B6 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:57:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from lonesome.lonesome.com (localhost.lonesome.com [127.0.0.1]) by lonesome.lonesome.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAJIwDPU078196 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:58:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.lonesome.com) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by lonesome.lonesome.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAJIwDBP078195; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:58:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from linimon) Message-Id: <200211191858.gAJIwDBP078195@lonesome.lonesome.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:58:13 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113.1 Subject: www/45489: [patch] add entity references to hardware-i386.html Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 45489 >Category: www >Synopsis: [patch] add entity references to hardware-i386.html >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Nov 19 11:00:02 PST 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mark Linimon >Release: FreeBSD-4.7 >Organization: FreeBSD >Environment: System: FreeBSD lonesome.lonesome.com 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #0: Fri Nov 8 23:46:29 CST 2002 root@lonesome.lonesome.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MULTIMEDIA i386 >Description: Adding some missing entity references to www/en/releases/5.0R/DP2 >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: --- hardware-i386.html.dist Sat Nov 16 17:51:22 2002 +++ hardware-i386.html Tue Nov 19 12:55:29 2002 @@ -1199,7 +1199,11 @@

The following drivers were supported under the old SCSI subsystem, but are not yet supported under the new - CAM SCSI subsystem:

+ + cam(4) + SCSI subsystem:

  • @@ -2546,7 +2550,11 @@

    -

    Megahertz X-Jack Ethernet PC-Card CC-10BT (sn +

    Megahertz X-Jack Ethernet PC-Card CC-10BT ( + + sn(4) driver)

    Xircom X3201 (Cardbus) based Ethernet cards, including @@ -3081,8 +3089,12 @@

    -

    AMD Am79C930 and Harris (Intersil) based 802.11 cards - (awi driver)

    +

    AMD Am79C930 and Harris (Intersil) based 802.11 cards ( + + awi(4) + driver)

    • >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Tue Nov 19 13:40:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3282A37B401; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D500343E4A; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:40:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (bmah@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJLelx3011884; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:40:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAJLel5o011877; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:40:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:40:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Bruce A. Mah" Message-Id: <200211192140.gAJLel5o011877@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bmah@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, bmah@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/45489: [patch] add entity references to hardware-i386.html Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [patch] add entity references to hardware-i386.html State-Changed-From-To: open->patched State-Changed-By: bmah State-Changed-When: Tue Nov 19 13:38:25 PST 2002 State-Changed-Why: Applied an analogous patch to the SGML sources, so this change will show up in future snapshots and releases. We typically don't patch the rendered HTML versions for the Web site. This patch is an MFC candidate, but it depends on MFC-ing the sn(4) and awi(4) manpages first. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->bmah Responsible-Changed-By: bmah Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Nov 19 13:38:25 PST 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll see this one through. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=45489 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Wed Nov 20 4:52:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B312C37B404 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:52:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (node-c-173f.a2000.nl [62.194.23.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6C1943E75 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:52:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandrasavimbi7@lycos.com) From: "sandra savimbi" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:54:47 To: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: PLS GET BACK TO ME. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021120125253.B6C1943E75@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > DEAR FRIEND, > THIS LETTER MAY COME TO YOU AS A SURPRISE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE > HAVE NOT YET MET. THE MESSAGE COULD BE STRANGE BUT REAL IF YOU PAY > SOME ATTENTION TO IT. I COULD HAVE NOTIFIED YOU ABOUT IT AT LEAST > FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR INTEGRITY. PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES. > IN BRINGING THIS MESSAGE OF GOODWILL TO YOU, I HAVE TO SAY THAT > I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF CAUSING YOU ANY PAINS. > I AM MRS. SANDRA SAVIMBI, DAUGHTER OF THE LATE REBEL LEADER JONAS > SAVIMBI OF ANGOLA WHO WAS KILLED ON THE 22ND OF FEBUARY 2002 . > MY LATE FATHER, JONAS SAVIMBI WAS ABLE TO DEPOSIT A LARGE SUM OF > MONEY IN DIFFERENT BANKS IN EUROPE AND THE MOVEMENT OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS > (INCLUDING ME) IS RESTRICTED. WE ARE FORBIDDEN TO EITHER TRAVEL > ABROAD OR OUT OF OUR LOCALITIES. PRESENTLY, THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT > MILLION, FIVE > HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MY FATHER TRANSFERRED TO NETHERLANDS IS > SAFE AND IS WITH A SECURITY FIRM. I AM THEREFORE SOLICITING YOUR > HELP TO HAVE THIS MONEY TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT BEFORE MY > GOVERNMENT GET WIND OF THIS FUND. YOU MAY KNOW THAT MY FATHER WAS > A REBEL LEADER IN ANGOLA BEFORE HIS DEATH AND MY REASON FOR DOING > THIS IS BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE ANGOLAN GOVERNMENT > TO TRACE MY FATHER'S MONEY TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S ACCOUNT, ESPECIALLY > WHEN SUCH AN INDIVIDUAL HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER THEREBY > KEEPING THAT MONEY FOR MY FAMILY USE. AT PRESENT THE MONEY AS I > SAID IS KEPT IN A SECURITY COMPANY IN THE NETHERLAND. > I AM CURRENTLY AND TEMPORARILY LIVING IN ANGOLA WITH MY HUSBAND. MY > BROTHER HAS A REFUGEE STATUS IN THE NETHERLANDS. MOREOVER, THE POLITICAL > CLIMATE IN ANGOLA AT THE MOMENT IS SO SENSITIVE AND UNSTABLE SO > IT WILL BE BETTER WE DO THIS TRANSACTION NOW. > WITH THIS PASSWORD AND INFORMATION I WILL SEND YOU, AND THE CHANGE OF > OWNERSHIP THAT I WILL SEND TO THE SECURITY FIRM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO > REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS TO CLAIM THIS CONSIGNMENT FROM THE > SECURITY FIRM. WHEN YOU ARE READY, I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION > NEEDED BEFORE YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THE FUND, YOU WILL THEN PROCEED > TO NETHERLANDS WHERE YOU WILL SIGN THE FINAL RELEASE DOCUMENTS OF > THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT, MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. > I WILL GIVE YOU FURTHER DETAILS WHEN I GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER > ASSURING US THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS > AND THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS TRANSACTION CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS VERY > IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE ME YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS WHILE THIS IS KEPT > CONFIDENTIAL. > YOU CAN CONTACT ME WITH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, sandrasavimbi7@lycos.com > YOU CAN ALSO SEND A COPY TO MY BROTHER WHO IS SEEKING ASSYLUM IN > THE NETHERLANDS ON;davidsavimbi1@hotmail.com > > YOURS SINCERELY, > SANDRA SAVIMBI. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Wed Nov 20 11:20:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B146637B401 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from yahoo.ca (modemcable040.226-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.226.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 91F1B43E3B for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Didier_b__r@yahoo.ca) Reply-To: Message-ID: <006a70c10c2c$7367e1a2$8dc16cd7@burjrk> From: To: Didier_br@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pargnez de 15% 80% sur vos cots publicitaires! Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:23:59 -0400 MiME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Du bureau de Didier Bonneville-Roussy St-Barthlemy Cher ami et entrepreneur, Ceci est le premier numro de la Lettre du marketing gomtrique. Le cot de l'abonnement pour un an est de 197$. Par contre, j'ai dcid de vous envoyer cette premire lettre gratuitement et de vous offrir un abonnement d'essai de trois mois pour seulement 7$. Lisez attentivement les informations que je vous livre dans ces huit pages et dcidez-vous dans les 15 jours. Il y a 7 ans, lorsque j'ai commenc en marketing, je me suis rendu compte que je pouvais pargner des sommes considrables en frais de publicit en tudiant de manire approfondie la nature de la relation entre les mdias et les agences de publicit, ainsi qu'entre les mdias et les organismes communautaires. J'ai remarqu deux choses: les agences paient toujours moins que les autres entreprises et les organismes communautaires paient toujours moins que les agence de publicits pour faire paratre leurs annonces. J'ai dcouvert comment payer en tout temps le mme prix que les agences (rabais de 15%) et dans certaines circonstances le mme prix que les organismes communautaires (50% de rabais). Si vous me laissez vous expliquer comment tout cela fonctionne, vous serez, vous aussi, avant la fin de cette lettre, en mesure d'pargner de 15% 80% sur vos cots publicitaires, et mme, dans certains cas, d'obtenir des pages et des pages de publicits gratuites. Commenons par les agences. peu prs tous les mdias, radio, tl, journaux, magazines, les agents de listes et les sites internet offrent un rabais automatique de 15% aux agences de publicit qui placent des annonces. Lorsqu'on regarde dans le CARD (Canadian Advertising Rates And Data) et le SRDS (Standard Rates And Data Service), qui sont les deux rpertoires des tarifs publicitaires, nous pouvons noter trois types de rabais: 1. Rabais au volume prsent sous forme de prix rduit par ligne agate ou sous forme de prix rduit pour un nombre prdtermin d'insertions en un an; 2. Un rabais de 15% aux agences; 3. Un rabais pour paiement rapide (gnralement de 2%). Le CARD et le SRDS portent tous deux la mention rabais offert aux agences reconnues seulement, lorsque l'agence de publicit peut bnficier d'un rabais. Cette mention ne vaut rien. En fait oui, elle vaut quelque chose, dans la mesure o elle vous dissuade de demander le rabais de 15% normalement attribu l'agence, si vous ne faites pas partie d'une agence reconnue. Mais a, les reprsentants publicitaires dans les diffrents mdias ne vous le disent pas. Pourquoi? Parce qu'ils sont rmunrs la commission et qu'il ont tout avantage ne pas vous le dire. De plus, si vous faites vraiment partie d'une agence, vous utilisez ncessairement le CARD et le SRDS et vous savez qu'il y a de tels rabais. Voici le premier secret: il n'existe rien de tel qu'une agence reconnue. N'importe quel zouave de Saint-Clin-clin peut-tre une agence reconnue. Mon petit frre de neuf ans pourrait, demain matin, devenir une agence reconnue s'il disait ces neuf petits mots: Je veux le rabais que vous attribuez aux agences. Certains mdias sont plus dsagrables que d'autres et ne vous accorderont pas de rabais pour l'agence si votre compagnie ne porte pas un nom qui ressemble vaguement celui d'une agence de publicit. Mais, si vous tes intelligent, ce que je crois puisque vous me lisez, vous allez courir au palais de justice et vous enregistrer un nom d'entreprise du genre Bingo Marketing pour 45$ et rappeler ce reprsentant et lui dire que vous appellez maintenant d'une agence reconnue. Et vous voil maintenant agence reconnue. Vous avez droit un rabais de 15%. De plus, vous avez aussi droit au rabais pour paiement rapide de 2% si vos encaisses vous le permettent. C'est, en tout, 17% de rabais sur tous vos achats publicitaires que je viens de vous faire pargner. Ceci est valable pour les journaux, les magazines, la radio, la tlvision, les sites internet, les agents de listes, les posters, les publi-sacs, etc. Maintenant, pour le rabais de type volume, je ne vous conseille en aucun cas de l'utiliser et surtout si une agence vous le propose. D'ailleurs, je dfie n'importe qu'elle agence sur ce sujet. Prenez votre bottin et demandez-leur comment pargner de l'argent sur vos achats publicitaires. coutez attentivement la merde qu'ils vous servent et comparez l'information que je vous donne ici. Il n'y a aucune commune mesure. Revenons au rabais de type volume. En gros, c'est une proposition qui ne peut que dfavoriser l'annonceur. D'abord, les rabais sont ridiculement bas, gnralement quelques dollars sur des milliers, ensuite, d'un point de vue strictment marketing gomtrique, c'est le meilleur moyen de vous faire avoir. Voici pourquoi: Il s'agit de contrats fonds sur l'utilisation du mdia sur une priode d'un an. Par exemple vous recevez un rabais de X% si vous placez 4 pleines pages ou plus sur un an. Si vous vous rendez compte que vos annonces ne sont pas profitables et que vous dcidez de ne pas honorer le contrat, vous paierez le plein prix plus une pnalit. Je pourrais vous donner des milliers de raisons pour ne pas honorer un contrat publicitaire. Et il y en a autant de bonnes. Il me suffit simplement de dire que je prfre nettement payer un peu plus cher et limiter mon risque. Ensuite, les contrats vous empchent de prendre d'autres types de rabais non annoncs que vous DEVEZ demander vous mme pour les obtenir. Le premier type de rabais que peu de gens connaissent est le rabais premier annonceur. Lorsque vous contactez un journal, une station de radio, de tl, une revue, un site internet ou un gestionnaire de liste, demandez s'il y a un rabais premier annonceur. Il y en a gnralement un. Il varie de 15% 25%. Maintenant, la diffrence des contrats sur le volume, ces rabais premiers annonceurs peuvent tre valides pour une priode prdtermine qui peut s'tendre jusqu' un an. Lorsque vous demandez ce type de rabais, assurez-vous de sceller le prix pour une priode d'au moins trois mois. Par exemple, au lieu de payer 354$ pour un quart de pages dans l'Expression de Joliette, vous ne paierez que 285$ par parution pendant les trois premiers mois. Faites attention. Les reprsentants publicitaires sont comme des rapaces sans vergogne. Si vous achetez votre publicit en dcembre et que l'on vous dit que ce prix est valide jusqu' la fin de l'anne, cela ne veut pas dire jusqu'en dcembre de l'anne suivante, mais jusqu'au mois de janvier. Un mois au lieu de 12. Cela fait toute une diffrence. Maintenant, coutez-moi bien. Tous ces rabais sont commissionnables, c'est--dire que si vous obtenez 20% de rabais comme premier annonceur vous pouvez aussi obtenir le 15% de rabais supplmentaire d'une agence plus le rabais de 2% pour paiement rapide. Une publicit qui vous cotait 1000$ vous en coterait seulement 627,20$, soit un rabais de 37,28%. Comment les organismes but non lucratif et les services publics peuvent vous faire pargner gros, TRS GROS. Nous sommes en pleine campagne de financement de Centraide. Ces deux derniers mois, Centraide t un des plus gros annonceurs au Canada. Et pourtant, Centraide ne paie pas la moiti de ce que d'autres compagnies paient pour s'annoncer. Pourquoi? Parce que les organismes communautaires et les services publics comme les SADC ont des tarifs prfrentiels, quand ils ne se font pas carrment donner les espaces publicitaires. Vous avez certainement remarqu que depuis quelques annes, TVA, TQS Global et CFCF 12 passent des infopubs aux heures de basse coute. Vous avez sans doute remarqu que, trs souvent, les stations de radio et de tl, les journaux et les revues, annoncent leurs propres supplments, missions spciales et prsentent des annonces de services publics. C'est ce que j'appelle des fillers. Ces publicits sont l pour une chose: ne pas vous prsenter 30 secondes d'cran noir, de plat sonore ou ne pas prsenter de pages blanches. Ces temps d'antenne et ces espaces publicitaires ne rapportent rien la station ou la publication. chaque jour ou chaque publication, peu prs 5% 10% de l'espace publicitaire est invendu ou non utilis pour cause de problme technique. C'est l que vous pouvez pargner beaucoup. Ces espaces sont gnralement donns ou vendus prix ridicules aux services publics et aux organismes communautaires. Une autre preuve courante que les mdias perdent normment d'argent sur les espaces invendus est la publicit interne, comme l'annonce d'mission de radio, de cahiers spciaux, etc. Par exemple, je sais que la Presse du 16 novembre 2002 avait un inventaire de 21 250$ invendu dans le cahier affaires seulement. Soit 2 demi pages et 1 quart de page. Comme je n'ai pas port trs attention aux autres cahiers, je ne saurais me prononcer sur le reste. Ceci tant dit, n'appelez pas votre reprsentant publicitaire pour lui demander. Il vous rpondra non, ou vous dira qu'il ne sait pas de quoi vous parlez. D'abord, il n'a aucun intrt vous dire que des demi pages sont disponibles pour une bouche de pain. Ensuite les reprsentants publicitaires ne sont pas au courant de ce qui arrive aux espaces invendus. Certains pourraient s'chapper et vous faire dcouvrir le pot-aux-roses. Je sais, vous ne lisez pas ceci pour connatre mon opinion sur les reprsentants publicitaires, mais pour pargner un paquet de bidoux sur votre prochaine campagne. Dans ce cas, coutez. Vous n'tes ni propritaire de journal, ni dirigeant de services publics ou de groupe but non-lucratif, mais vous pouvez pargner jusqu' 80% sur vos cots publicitaires en suivant ma dmarche pas pas. Ce que vous devez savoir est que vous n'avez pas la possibilit de choisir votre emplacement, ni la date de parution lorsque vous fonctionnez avec les espaces invendus. Il est aussi inutile de demander aux reprsentants publicitaires comment procder. Votre publicit doit tre prte et dans les mains dea mdias au moment o ils sont prt la faire paratre. Autre chose savoir: les imprims ont toujours un cot intrinsque la parution d'une publicit. Ces cots sont relis la production de l'preuve et l'impression de votre annonce, alors ne leur faites pas l'insulte de leur offrir une somme riducule. Ce n'est pas le cas pour les mdias lectroniques tels que la tl, la radio et internet. Pour les mdias lectroniques vous pouvez facilement obtenir jusqu' 80% de rabais. Il faut absolument que vous laissiez paratre votre interlocuteur que vous connaissez les rgles du jeu. Voici ce que vous devez faire: 1. Prparez votre publicit. Un mcanique (ngatif de votre annonce) pour les imprims et une cassette pour les radios et tls. 2. Faites une liste des directeurs de vente chez les mdias que vous voulez utiliser; eux seuls ont le pouvoir de prendre une dcision. Vous pouvez obtenir cette liste dans le CARD ou le SRDS qui sont disponibles dans les bibliothques universitaires et certaines bibliothques municipales. 3. Prparez un chque au nom du mdia en question pour un montant quivalent 42% du tarif normal pour les imprims et 20% pour les mdia lectroniques. Maintenant rdigez une lettre d'une page contenant tous les lments suivants: Expliquez qu'un de vos clients exprim sont intrt de faire paratre sa publicit dans le mdia en question; Que vous avez d l'en dissuader aprs avoir compar les cots avec d'autres publications du mme genre; Que dans ces publications, la publicit n'est profitable que lorsque vous travaillez sur des espaces invendus; Expliquez ce qu'est un espace invendu et ce que le mdia en fait gnralement; Expliquez que vous avez mis un chque quivalent 42% du tarif rgulier (50% + le 15% l'agence) et que vous avez envoy un mcanique de l'annonce. Le montant peut descendre jusqu' 20% pour les mdias lectroniques; Dites que le mdia peut encaisser le chque ds qu'il fera paratre la publicit sous ces conditions ou dtruire le chque et l'annonce s'il refuse; Donnez votre numro de tlphone au cas o votre interlocuteur aurait une question; Et envoyez-la par Federal Express, Purolator ou UPS. Voici ce qui va arriver. Une certaine proportion de mdia vont rejeter votre offre. Certains vont l'accepter et la vaste majorit va vous contacter pour ngocier un tarif prfrentiel plus lev que votre proposition. C'est peu prs tout ce que j'ai dire sur le sujet ce mois-ci. Il me reste quelques trucs dans mon sac surprise que je vous dvoilerai dans d'autres lettres. Chaque mois, vous recevrez un numro comme celui-ci. Plein de trucs et de secrets marketing inconnus du public. En fait, la plupart des consultants en marketing et agences de publicit n'ont jamais utilis, ni mme entendu parler de ces techniques et stratgies. Abonnez-vous pour trois mois pour seulement 7$ La lettre du marketing gomtrique sera vendue 197$ par anne dans quelques semaines. Mais, durant la priode de lancement, vous pouvez prendre un abonnement de trois mois pour seulement 7$. Je sais trs bien que les gens d'affaires rellement interresss utiliser les stratgies que je prsente reconnatront la valeur de la Lettre du marketing gomtrique. Je sais qu'aprs votre abonnement d'essai, vous en voudrez plus et que vous renouvellerez votre abonnement au tarif rgulier. Pour quelqu'un qui fait un minimum de publicit, cette premire lettre, elle seule, vaut trs certainement le prix de l'abonnement. Les stratgies incluses dans cette lettre ne sont qu'un ple chantillon de ce que j'ai vous offrir. Comme le dit mon ami et client Mathieu Lagarde En une heure l'information et les ides de Didier m'ont t plus utiles que tous les livres et sminaires que j'ai lus et tudis sur les affaires. Abonnez-vous avant le 1ier novembre 2002 pour seulement 7$, vous recevrez trois lettres comme celle-ci par la poste au cours des trois prochains mois. Envoyez maintenant votre chque ou mandat poste l'ordre de: Didier Bonneville-Roussy 692 Rang York, St-Barthlemy Qubec J0K 1XO Sincrement, Didier Bonneville-Roussy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ne plus resevoire ce courriel : Didier_b_r@yahoo.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Wed Nov 20 14: 9:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E696937B401 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:09:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from yahoo.ca (modemcable040.226-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.226.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD66843E3B for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:09:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Didier_b__r@yahoo.ca) Reply-To: Message-ID: <027c33c05a2d$5266e1e6$4dd37dd4@kijnif> From: To: Didier_br@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pargnez de 15% 80% sur vos cots publicitaires! Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:04:41 +1100 MiME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Du bureau de Didier Bonneville-Roussy St-Barthlemy Cher ami et entrepreneur, Ceci est le premier numro de la Lettre du marketing gomtrique. Le cot de l'abonnement pour un an est de 197$. Par contre, j'ai dcid de vous envoyer cette premire lettre gratuitement et de vous offrir un abonnement d'essai de trois mois pour seulement 7$. Lisez attentivement les informations que je vous livre dans ces huit pages et dcidez-vous dans les 15 jours. Il y a 7 ans, lorsque j'ai commenc en marketing, je me suis rendu compte que je pouvais pargner des sommes considrables en frais de publicit en tudiant de manire approfondie la nature de la relation entre les mdias et les agences de publicit, ainsi qu'entre les mdias et les organismes communautaires. J'ai remarqu deux choses: les agences paient toujours moins que les autres entreprises et les organismes communautaires paient toujours moins que les agence de publicits pour faire paratre leurs annonces. J'ai dcouvert comment payer en tout temps le mme prix que les agences (rabais de 15%) et dans certaines circonstances le mme prix que les organismes communautaires (50% de rabais). Si vous me laissez vous expliquer comment tout cela fonctionne, vous serez, vous aussi, avant la fin de cette lettre, en mesure d'pargner de 15% 80% sur vos cots publicitaires, et mme, dans certains cas, d'obtenir des pages et des pages de publicits gratuites. Commenons par les agences. peu prs tous les mdias, radio, tl, journaux, magazines, les agents de listes et les sites internet offrent un rabais automatique de 15% aux agences de publicit qui placent des annonces. Lorsqu'on regarde dans le CARD (Canadian Advertising Rates And Data) et le SRDS (Standard Rates And Data Service), qui sont les deux rpertoires des tarifs publicitaires, nous pouvons noter trois types de rabais: 1. Rabais au volume prsent sous forme de prix rduit par ligne agate ou sous forme de prix rduit pour un nombre prdtermin d'insertions en un an; 2. Un rabais de 15% aux agences; 3. Un rabais pour paiement rapide (gnralement de 2%). Le CARD et le SRDS portent tous deux la mention rabais offert aux agences reconnues seulement, lorsque l'agence de publicit peut bnficier d'un rabais. Cette mention ne vaut rien. En fait oui, elle vaut quelque chose, dans la mesure o elle vous dissuade de demander le rabais de 15% normalement attribu l'agence, si vous ne faites pas partie d'une agence reconnue. Mais a, les reprsentants publicitaires dans les diffrents mdias ne vous le disent pas. Pourquoi? Parce qu'ils sont rmunrs la commission et qu'il ont tout avantage ne pas vous le dire. De plus, si vous faites vraiment partie d'une agence, vous utilisez ncessairement le CARD et le SRDS et vous savez qu'il y a de tels rabais. Voici le premier secret: il n'existe rien de tel qu'une agence reconnue. N'importe quel zouave de Saint-Clin-clin peut-tre une agence reconnue. Mon petit frre de neuf ans pourrait, demain matin, devenir une agence reconnue s'il disait ces neuf petits mots: Je veux le rabais que vous attribuez aux agences. Certains mdias sont plus dsagrables que d'autres et ne vous accorderont pas de rabais pour l'agence si votre compagnie ne porte pas un nom qui ressemble vaguement celui d'une agence de publicit. Mais, si vous tes intelligent, ce que je crois puisque vous me lisez, vous allez courir au palais de justice et vous enregistrer un nom d'entreprise du genre Bingo Marketing pour 45$ et rappeler ce reprsentant et lui dire que vous appellez maintenant d'une agence reconnue. Et vous voil maintenant agence reconnue. Vous avez droit un rabais de 15%. De plus, vous avez aussi droit au rabais pour paiement rapide de 2% si vos encaisses vous le permettent. C'est, en tout, 17% de rabais sur tous vos achats publicitaires que je viens de vous faire pargner. Ceci est valable pour les journaux, les magazines, la radio, la tlvision, les sites internet, les agents de listes, les posters, les publi-sacs, etc. Maintenant, pour le rabais de type volume, je ne vous conseille en aucun cas de l'utiliser et surtout si une agence vous le propose. D'ailleurs, je dfie n'importe qu'elle agence sur ce sujet. Prenez votre bottin et demandez-leur comment pargner de l'argent sur vos achats publicitaires. coutez attentivement la merde qu'ils vous servent et comparez l'information que je vous donne ici. Il n'y a aucune commune mesure. Revenons au rabais de type volume. En gros, c'est une proposition qui ne peut que dfavoriser l'annonceur. D'abord, les rabais sont ridiculement bas, gnralement quelques dollars sur des milliers, ensuite, d'un point de vue strictment marketing gomtrique, c'est le meilleur moyen de vous faire avoir. Voici pourquoi: Il s'agit de contrats fonds sur l'utilisation du mdia sur une priode d'un an. Par exemple vous recevez un rabais de X% si vous placez 4 pleines pages ou plus sur un an. Si vous vous rendez compte que vos annonces ne sont pas profitables et que vous dcidez de ne pas honorer le contrat, vous paierez le plein prix plus une pnalit. Je pourrais vous donner des milliers de raisons pour ne pas honorer un contrat publicitaire. Et il y en a autant de bonnes. Il me suffit simplement de dire que je prfre nettement payer un peu plus cher et limiter mon risque. Ensuite, les contrats vous empchent de prendre d'autres types de rabais non annoncs que vous DEVEZ demander vous mme pour les obtenir. Le premier type de rabais que peu de gens connaissent est le rabais premier annonceur. Lorsque vous contactez un journal, une station de radio, de tl, une revue, un site internet ou un gestionnaire de liste, demandez s'il y a un rabais premier annonceur. Il y en a gnralement un. Il varie de 15% 25%. Maintenant, la diffrence des contrats sur le volume, ces rabais premiers annonceurs peuvent tre valides pour une priode prdtermine qui peut s'tendre jusqu' un an. Lorsque vous demandez ce type de rabais, assurez-vous de sceller le prix pour une priode d'au moins trois mois. Par exemple, au lieu de payer 354$ pour un quart de pages dans l'Expression de Joliette, vous ne paierez que 285$ par parution pendant les trois premiers mois. Faites attention. Les reprsentants publicitaires sont comme des rapaces sans vergogne. Si vous achetez votre publicit en dcembre et que l'on vous dit que ce prix est valide jusqu' la fin de l'anne, cela ne veut pas dire jusqu'en dcembre de l'anne suivante, mais jusqu'au mois de janvier. Un mois au lieu de 12. Cela fait toute une diffrence. Maintenant, coutez-moi bien. Tous ces rabais sont commissionnables, c'est--dire que si vous obtenez 20% de rabais comme premier annonceur vous pouvez aussi obtenir le 15% de rabais supplmentaire d'une agence plus le rabais de 2% pour paiement rapide. Une publicit qui vous cotait 1000$ vous en coterait seulement 627,20$, soit un rabais de 37,28%. Comment les organismes but non lucratif et les services publics peuvent vous faire pargner gros, TRS GROS. Nous sommes en pleine campagne de financement de Centraide. Ces deux derniers mois, Centraide t un des plus gros annonceurs au Canada. Et pourtant, Centraide ne paie pas la moiti de ce que d'autres compagnies paient pour s'annoncer. Pourquoi? Parce que les organismes communautaires et les services publics comme les SADC ont des tarifs prfrentiels, quand ils ne se font pas carrment donner les espaces publicitaires. Vous avez certainement remarqu que depuis quelques annes, TVA, TQS Global et CFCF 12 passent des infopubs aux heures de basse coute. Vous avez sans doute remarqu que, trs souvent, les stations de radio et de tl, les journaux et les revues, annoncent leurs propres supplments, missions spciales et prsentent des annonces de services publics. C'est ce que j'appelle des fillers. Ces publicits sont l pour une chose: ne pas vous prsenter 30 secondes d'cran noir, de plat sonore ou ne pas prsenter de pages blanches. Ces temps d'antenne et ces espaces publicitaires ne rapportent rien la station ou la publication. chaque jour ou chaque publication, peu prs 5% 10% de l'espace publicitaire est invendu ou non utilis pour cause de problme technique. C'est l que vous pouvez pargner beaucoup. Ces espaces sont gnralement donns ou vendus prix ridicules aux services publics et aux organismes communautaires. Une autre preuve courante que les mdias perdent normment d'argent sur les espaces invendus est la publicit interne, comme l'annonce d'mission de radio, de cahiers spciaux, etc. Par exemple, je sais que la Presse du 16 novembre 2002 avait un inventaire de 21 250$ invendu dans le cahier affaires seulement. Soit 2 demi pages et 1 quart de page. Comme je n'ai pas port trs attention aux autres cahiers, je ne saurais me prononcer sur le reste. Ceci tant dit, n'appelez pas votre reprsentant publicitaire pour lui demander. Il vous rpondra non, ou vous dira qu'il ne sait pas de quoi vous parlez. D'abord, il n'a aucun intrt vous dire que des demi pages sont disponibles pour une bouche de pain. Ensuite les reprsentants publicitaires ne sont pas au courant de ce qui arrive aux espaces invendus. Certains pourraient s'chapper et vous faire dcouvrir le pot-aux-roses. Je sais, vous ne lisez pas ceci pour connatre mon opinion sur les reprsentants publicitaires, mais pour pargner un paquet de bidoux sur votre prochaine campagne. Dans ce cas, coutez. Vous n'tes ni propritaire de journal, ni dirigeant de services publics ou de groupe but non-lucratif, mais vous pouvez pargner jusqu' 80% sur vos cots publicitaires en suivant ma dmarche pas pas. Ce que vous devez savoir est que vous n'avez pas la possibilit de choisir votre emplacement, ni la date de parution lorsque vous fonctionnez avec les espaces invendus. Il est aussi inutile de demander aux reprsentants publicitaires comment procder. Votre publicit doit tre prte et dans les mains dea mdias au moment o ils sont prt la faire paratre. Autre chose savoir: les imprims ont toujours un cot intrinsque la parution d'une publicit. Ces cots sont relis la production de l'preuve et l'impression de votre annonce, alors ne leur faites pas l'insulte de leur offrir une somme riducule. Ce n'est pas le cas pour les mdias lectroniques tels que la tl, la radio et internet. Pour les mdias lectroniques vous pouvez facilement obtenir jusqu' 80% de rabais. Il faut absolument que vous laissiez paratre votre interlocuteur que vous connaissez les rgles du jeu. Voici ce que vous devez faire: 1. Prparez votre publicit. Un mcanique (ngatif de votre annonce) pour les imprims et une cassette pour les radios et tls. 2. Faites une liste des directeurs de vente chez les mdias que vous voulez utiliser; eux seuls ont le pouvoir de prendre une dcision. Vous pouvez obtenir cette liste dans le CARD ou le SRDS qui sont disponibles dans les bibliothques universitaires et certaines bibliothques municipales. 3. Prparez un chque au nom du mdia en question pour un montant quivalent 42% du tarif normal pour les imprims et 20% pour les mdia lectroniques. Maintenant rdigez une lettre d'une page contenant tous les lments suivants: Expliquez qu'un de vos clients exprim sont intrt de faire paratre sa publicit dans le mdia en question; Que vous avez d l'en dissuader aprs avoir compar les cots avec d'autres publications du mme genre; Que dans ces publications, la publicit n'est profitable que lorsque vous travaillez sur des espaces invendus; Expliquez ce qu'est un espace invendu et ce que le mdia en fait gnralement; Expliquez que vous avez mis un chque quivalent 42% du tarif rgulier (50% + le 15% l'agence) et que vous avez envoy un mcanique de l'annonce. Le montant peut descendre jusqu' 20% pour les mdias lectroniques; Dites que le mdia peut encaisser le chque ds qu'il fera paratre la publicit sous ces conditions ou dtruire le chque et l'annonce s'il refuse; Donnez votre numro de tlphone au cas o votre interlocuteur aurait une question; Et envoyez-la par Federal Express, Purolator ou UPS. Voici ce qui va arriver. Une certaine proportion de mdia vont rejeter votre offre. Certains vont l'accepter et la vaste majorit va vous contacter pour ngocier un tarif prfrentiel plus lev que votre proposition. C'est peu prs tout ce que j'ai dire sur le sujet ce mois-ci. Il me reste quelques trucs dans mon sac surprise que je vous dvoilerai dans d'autres lettres. Chaque mois, vous recevrez un numro comme celui-ci. Plein de trucs et de secrets marketing inconnus du public. En fait, la plupart des consultants en marketing et agences de publicit n'ont jamais utilis, ni mme entendu parler de ces techniques et stratgies. Abonnez-vous pour trois mois pour seulement 7$ La lettre du marketing gomtrique sera vendue 197$ par anne dans quelques semaines. Mais, durant la priode de lancement, vous pouvez prendre un abonnement de trois mois pour seulement 7$. Je sais trs bien que les gens d'affaires rellement interresss utiliser les stratgies que je prsente reconnatront la valeur de la Lettre du marketing gomtrique. Je sais qu'aprs votre abonnement d'essai, vous en voudrez plus et que vous renouvellerez votre abonnement au tarif rgulier. Pour quelqu'un qui fait un minimum de publicit, cette premire lettre, elle seule, vaut trs certainement le prix de l'abonnement. Les stratgies incluses dans cette lettre ne sont qu'un ple chantillon de ce que j'ai vous offrir. Comme le dit mon ami et client Mathieu Lagarde En une heure l'information et les ides de Didier m'ont t plus utiles que tous les livres et sminaires que j'ai lus et tudis sur les affaires. Abonnez-vous avant le 1ier dcembre 2002 pour seulement 7$, vous recevrez trois lettres comme celle-ci par la poste au cours des trois prochains mois. didierroussy@hotmail.com Envoyez maintenant votre chque ou mandat poste l'ordre de: Didier Bonneville-Roussy 692 Rang York, St-Barthlemy Qubec J0K 1XO Sincrement, Didier Bonneville-Roussy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ne plus resevoire ce courriel : Didier_b_r@yahoo.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Wed Nov 20 18: 7:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02FD37B404 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (node-c-173f.a2000.nl [62.194.23.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8969743E97 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:07:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandrasav@lycos.com) From: "sandra savimbi" Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:09:47 To: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: PLS GET BACK TO ME. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021121020753.8969743E97@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DEAR FRIEND, THIS LETTER MAY COME TO YOU AS A SURPRISE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT YET MET. THE MESSAGE COULD BE STRANGE BUT REAL IF YOU PAY SOME ATTENTION TO IT. I COULD HAVE NOTIFIED YOU ABOUT IT AT LEAST FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR INTEGRITY. PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES. IN BRINGING THIS MESSAGE OF GOODWILL TO YOU, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF CAUSING YOU ANY PAINS. I AM MRS. SANDRA SAVIMBI, DAUGHTER OF THE LATE REBEL LEADER JONAS SAVIMBI OF ANGOLA WHO WAS KILLED ON THE 22ND OF FEBUARY 2002 . MY LATE FATHER, JONAS SAVIMBI WAS ABLE TO DEPOSIT A LARGE SUM OF MONEY IN DIFFERENT BANKS IN EUROPE AND THE MOVEMENT OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS (INCLUDING ME) IS RESTRICTED. WE ARE FORBIDDEN TO EITHER TRAVEL ABROAD OR OUT OF OUR LOCALITIES. PRESENTLY, THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MY FATHER TRANSFERRED TO NETHERLANDS IS SAFE AND IS WITH A SECURITY FIRM. I AM THEREFORE SOLICITING YOUR HELP TO HAVE THIS MONEY TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT BEFORE MY GOVERNMENT GET WIND OF THIS FUND. YOU MAY KNOW THAT MY FATHER WAS A REBEL LEADER IN ANGOLA BEFORE HIS DEATH AND MY REASON FOR DOING THIS IS BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE ANGOLAN GOVERNMENT TO TRACE MY FATHER'S MONEY TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S ACCOUNT, ESPECIALLY WHEN SUCH AN INDIVIDUAL HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER THEREBY KEEPING THAT MONEY FOR MY FAMILY USE. AT PRESENT THE MONEY AS I SAID IS KEPT IN A SECURITY COMPANY IN THE NETHERLAND. I AM CURRENTLY AND TEMPORARILY LIVING IN ANGOLA WITH MY HUSBAND. MY BROTHER HAS A REFUGEE STATUS IN THE NETHERLANDS. MOREOVER, THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IN ANGOLA AT THE MOMENT IS SO SENSITIVE AND UNSTABLE SO IT WILL BE BETTER WE DO THIS TRANSACTION NOW. WITH THIS PASSWORD AND INFORMATION I WILL SEND YOU, AND THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP THAT I WILL SEND TO THE SECURITY FIRM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS TO CLAIM THIS CONSIGNMENT FROM THE SECURITY FIRM. WHEN YOU ARE READY, I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION NEEDED BEFORE YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THE FUND, YOU WILL THEN PROCEED TO NETHERLANDS WHERE YOU WILL SIGN THE FINAL RELEASE DOCUMENTS OF THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT, MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. I WILL GIVE YOU FURTHER DETAILS WHEN I GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER ASSURING US THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS AND THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS TRANSACTION CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE ME YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS WHILE THIS IS KEPT CONFIDENTIAL. YOU CAN CONTACT ME WITH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, sandrasav@lycos.com YOU CAN ALSO SEND A COPY TO MY BROTHER WHO IS SEEKING ASSYLUM IN THE NETHERLANDS ON, YOURS SINCERELY, SANDRA SAVIMBI. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Wed Nov 20 18:23:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E7537B406 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (node-c-173f.a2000.nl [62.194.23.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3B2443E8A for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:23:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandrasav@lycos.com) From: "sandra savimbi" Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 03:25:10 To: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: PLS GET BACK TO ME. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021121022316.F3B2443E8A@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DEAR FRIEND, THIS LETTER MAY COME TO YOU AS A SURPRISE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT YET MET. THE MESSAGE COULD BE STRANGE BUT REAL IF YOU PAY SOME ATTENTION TO IT. I COULD HAVE NOTIFIED YOU ABOUT IT AT LEAST FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR INTEGRITY. PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES. IN BRINGING THIS MESSAGE OF GOODWILL TO YOU, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF CAUSING YOU ANY PAINS. I AM MRS. SANDRA SAVIMBI, DAUGHTER OF THE LATE REBEL LEADER JONAS SAVIMBI OF ANGOLA WHO WAS KILLED ON THE 22ND OF FEBUARY 2002 . MY LATE FATHER, JONAS SAVIMBI WAS ABLE TO DEPOSIT A LARGE SUM OF MONEY IN DIFFERENT BANKS IN EUROPE AND THE MOVEMENT OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS (INCLUDING ME) IS RESTRICTED. WE ARE FORBIDDEN TO EITHER TRAVEL ABROAD OR OUT OF OUR LOCALITIES. PRESENTLY, THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MY FATHER TRANSFERRED TO NETHERLANDS IS SAFE AND IS WITH A SECURITY FIRM. I AM THEREFORE SOLICITING YOUR HELP TO HAVE THIS MONEY TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT BEFORE MY GOVERNMENT GET WIND OF THIS FUND. YOU MAY KNOW THAT MY FATHER WAS A REBEL LEADER IN ANGOLA BEFORE HIS DEATH AND MY REASON FOR DOING THIS IS BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE ANGOLAN GOVERNMENT TO TRACE MY FATHER'S MONEY TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S ACCOUNT, ESPECIALLY WHEN SUCH AN INDIVIDUAL HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER THEREBY KEEPING THAT MONEY FOR MY FAMILY USE. AT PRESENT THE MONEY AS I SAID IS KEPT IN A SECURITY COMPANY IN THE NETHERLAND. I AM CURRENTLY AND TEMPORARILY LIVING IN ANGOLA WITH MY HUSBAND. MY BROTHER HAS A REFUGEE STATUS IN THE NETHERLANDS. MOREOVER, THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IN ANGOLA AT THE MOMENT IS SO SENSITIVE AND UNSTABLE SO IT WILL BE BETTER WE DO THIS TRANSACTION NOW. WITH THIS PASSWORD AND INFORMATION I WILL SEND YOU, AND THE CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP THAT I WILL SEND TO THE SECURITY FIRM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS TO CLAIM THIS CONSIGNMENT FROM THE SECURITY FIRM. WHEN YOU ARE READY, I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION NEEDED BEFORE YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THE FUND, YOU WILL THEN PROCEED TO NETHERLANDS WHERE YOU WILL SIGN THE FINAL RELEASE DOCUMENTS OF THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT, MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. I WILL GIVE YOU FURTHER DETAILS WHEN I GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER ASSURING US THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS AND THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS TRANSACTION CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE ME YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS WHILE THIS IS KEPT CONFIDENTIAL. YOU CAN CONTACT ME WITH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, sandrasav@lycos.com YOU CAN ALSO SEND A COPY TO MY BROTHER WHO IS SEEKING ASSYLUM IN THE NETHERLANDS ON, YOURS SINCERELY, SANDRA SAVIMBI. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Thu Nov 21 2:25:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D418937B404 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc1-cdif2-5-cust47.cdf.cable.ntl.com [81.101.150.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA0543E8A for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 02:25:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18EoWa-0001Dw-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:25:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:25:32 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Lanny Baron Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: update for our listing on hardware ... please :) Message-ID: <20021121102532.GB4486@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Lanny Baron , www@freebsd.org References: <3DDC352C.8020205@FreeBSDsystems.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DDC352C.8020205@FreeBSDsystems.COM> X-message-flag: All your linuxconf-configured redhat are belong to us. X-message-flag-attribution: suresh, sdm. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lanny, I'll try and get to this this evening. Ceri -- By the valiant legions of Moradin, your destruction is nigh! 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Clear:. Processed in 0.081344 secs); 21 Nov 2002 16:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO img.local) (192.168.0.1) by 192.168.0.50 with SMTP; 21 Nov 2002 16:05:31 -0000 Message-Id: <200211211608.23209.den@volginfo.ru> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:08:23 +0300 From: "Denis N. Peplin" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: www/45560: russian FAQ trouble on www.FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 45560 >Category: www >Synopsis: russian FAQ trouble on www.FreeBSD.org >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Nov 21 05:10:01 PST 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Denis N.Peplin >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p1 i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD img.local 4.7-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p1 #0: Wed Nov 6 16:45:51 MSK 2002 sg@img.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/nKERN2 i386 >Description: On local copy of FreeBSD web site, FAQ appears in http://localhost/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/index.html but on FreeBSD website only in http://www.freebsd.org/ru/FAQ/ >How-To-Repeat: build fresh copy of FreeBSD website, check http://localhost/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/index.html and http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/index.html (page not found) >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: SEND-PR: -*- send-pr -*- SEND-PR: Lines starting with `SEND-PR' will be removed automatically, as SEND-PR: will all comments (text enclosed in `<' and `>'). 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Peplin" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: www/45563: [PATCH] www/ru/docs.sgml fix broken links and update to 1.156 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 45563 >Category: www >Synopsis: [PATCH] www/ru/docs.sgml fix broken links and update to 1.156 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Nov 21 06:30:01 PST 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Denis N.Peplin >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p1 i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD img.local 4.7-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p1 #0: Wed Nov 6 16:45:51 MSK 2002 sg@img.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/nKERN2 i386 >Description: >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- /usr/www.old/ru/docs.sgml Sun Feb 17 17:44:49 2002 +++ /usr/www/ru/docs.sgml Thu Nov 21 17:19:35 2002 @@ -1,13 +1,13 @@ + %includes; ]> @@ -15,11 +15,11 @@ &header; -

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Schwengle" To: www@freebsd.org Subject: Dead link Message-ID: <20021121235652.D59894-100000@support.euronet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! While trying to figure something out I came across this :) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/net/cvsup/pkg-descr.nogui/ Port description for net/cvsup The port specified does not exist, or has an invalid name: ports/net/cvsup/pkg-descr.nogui/ You are coming from http://www%2efreebsd%2eorg/doc/en%5fUS%2eISO8859%2d1/books/handbook/cvsup%2ehtml. Please contact www@freebsd.org -- Wesley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Thu Nov 21 20:26:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7923A37B401 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pop3.hostingkey.com (zeus.aegeas.net [65.171.129.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5F643E8A for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:26:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrimm@jim-grimm.com) Received: from GRIMM5079 ([]) by pop3.hostingkey.com (Merak 5.3.2) with SMTP id LTI36894 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:26:39 +0200 Reply-To: From: "jgrimm" To: Subject: starting a user group Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:25:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c291df$53d2e5a0$580ba3ac@GRIMM5079> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, my name is jim grimm and im a college student from pittsburgh, pa. im a new user to FreeBSD, but i am learning it and will continue to learn it, and i was wondering how or if i would be able to start a FreeBSD users group in my area. if you could give me any information on this, that would be great. thank you -grimm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Thu Nov 21 20:34:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D8F37B401 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A5543E3B for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:34:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from moble.pittgoth.com ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gAM4YQuB007266; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:34:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:34:58 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: starting a user group Message-Id: <20021121233458.66efd399.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <000001c291df$53d2e5a0$580ba3ac@GRIMM5079> References: <000001c291df$53d2e5a0$580ba3ac@GRIMM5079> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:25:58 -0500 "jgrimm" wrote: > hi, > > my name is jim grimm and im a college student from pittsburgh, > pa. im a > new user to FreeBSD, but i am learning it and will continue to learn > it, and i was wondering how or if i would be able to start a FreeBSD > users group in my area. if you could give me any information on this, > that would be great. thank you > > -grimm > > > Hello Jim, My name is Tom, and I live a bit north of PGH but seem to end up in Oakland every other weekend for some reason or another. If you would need any help with this, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. For what I know, anyone can start a user group, only real problem is finding a place to hold it, what to talk about, things to do. CMU has a linux user group, and I think a perl and mac group, you may want to check them out and see how they run things. Look in the City Paper or Computer User for details on these 'computer clubs'. Best of luck, -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Fri Nov 22 6:30:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBF937B401; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEA843E3B; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a107.otenet.gr [212.205.215.107]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAMEUXYc012969; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:30:34 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAMEUX7j062300; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:30:33 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAMEUXFD062299; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:30:33 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:30:33 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: WWW pseudo-user Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD web build failed on freefall.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20021122143033.GB59025@gothmog.gr> References: <200211221401.gAME12hE035330@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200211221401.gAME12hE035330@freefall.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-11-22 06:01, WWW pseudo-user wrote: > ===> ../ja/prstats/../../tools/prstats > ./go.tcl /c/gnats > 1122 feedback > < feedback> <> > 1919 <> > 7038 > <> > 17756 > <> > couldn't open "/c/gnats/pending/45570": no such file or directory That's because it's been sent to junk/ by tom@freebsd.org and the web build probably caught the PR while moving. The next start of the build should work fine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Fri Nov 22 6:42:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A921837B407 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from parmenides.zen.co.uk (parmenides.zen.co.uk [212.23.8.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A21ED43E9C for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:42:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 29485 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2002 14:42:46 -0000 Received: from protagoras.zen.co.uk (212.23.8.61) by parmenides.zen.co.uk with QMQP; 22 Nov 2002 14:42:46 -0000 Received: from dsl-62-3-122-102.zen.co.uk (HELO eborcom.com) (62.3.122.102) by protagoras.zen.co.uk with SMTP; 22 Nov 2002 14:42:46 -0000 X-Zen-Trace: 62.3.122.102 Received: (qmail 69638 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Nov 2002 14:42:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:42:45 +0000 From: Tom Hukins To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: WWW pseudo-user , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD web build failed on freefall.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20021122144245.A69624@eborcom.com> Mail-Followup-To: Tom Hukins , Giorgos Keramidas , WWW pseudo-user , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <200211221401.gAME12hE035330@freefall.freebsd.org> <20021122143033.GB59025@gothmog.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20021122143033.GB59025@gothmog.gr>; from keramida@freebsd.org on Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:30:33PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:30:33PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2002-11-22 06:01, WWW pseudo-user wrote: > > ===> ../ja/prstats/../../tools/prstats > > ./go.tcl /c/gnats > > 1122 feedback > < feedback> <> > > 1919 <> > > 7038 > <> > > 17756 > <> > > couldn't open "/c/gnats/pending/45570": no such file or directory > > That's because it's been sent to junk/ by tom@freebsd.org and the web > build probably caught the PR while moving. The next start of the > build should work fine. Grrr... Race conditions. I've noticed edit-pr(1) locking out the GNATS Web interface recently, and query-pr(1) to a lesser extent. Thanks for figuring out what caused this, Giorgos - I wondered if it was anything to do with my edits to the PR database. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-www Fri Nov 22 10:30: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1F437B406 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:30:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3334743E4A for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAMIU2x3019494 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAMIU2BZ019493; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32FF37B401 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:28:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (milan.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B019043EA3 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:28:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de) Received: by milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 844E0ABC9; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:28:50 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20021122182850.844E0ABC9@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:28:50 +0100 (CET) From: Christian Brueffer Reply-To: Christian Brueffer To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: www/45595: [PATCH] Add freebsd-mips to the mailing list search Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 45595 >Category: www >Synopsis: [PATCH] Add freebsd-mips to the mailing list search >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Nov 22 10:30:01 PST 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Christian Brueffer >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: Aachen University of Technology (RWTH) >Environment: System: FreeBSD milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #7: Mon Oct 14 10:21:39 CEST 2002 chris@milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LORIEN i386 >Description: This patch adds the freebsd-mips mailing list to www/en/search/search.sgml >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- search.sgml.diff begins here --- --- search.sgml Tue Aug 13 00:05:07 2002 +++ search.sgml.modified Fri Nov 22 19:24:48 2002 @@ -346,6 +346,12 @@ + MIPS + Porting FreeBSD to MIPS + + + Multimedia Discussions about FreeBSD as a multimedia platform --- search.sgml.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-www" in the body of the message