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Date:      Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:54:36 -0800
From:      "Majid Almassari" <majid@ibroadcast.net>
To:        "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" <questions@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Fw: Certifications
Message-ID:  <008f01bf839e$d404d0a0$42b6ded0@ibroadcast.net>

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----- Original Message -----
From: Majid Almassari <majid@ibroadcast.net>
To: Steve Hovey <shovey@buffnet.net>; John Flowers <John.Flowers@botcc.com>
Cc: Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: Certifications


> That is nice and dandy but what is your prove that you went crazy and dove
> with both heads and feet? I do admit that there exist paper certified
> "professionals" but  when I hire some one I need that certification "that
> piece of paper is important because it shows me the minimum knowledge
level
> needed" also I see some professionals talk about paper certified
> professionals like it was the dominant situation. They do exist but they
are
> not dominant, in the contrary of professionals who did XX numbers of years
> of experience with no certifications and simply stunned on a basic
concept,
> Iv seen some head scratch when it comes to the basics and Iv seen some
> professionals who are scared to death to loss their job or miss a
promotion
> because someone with a certification beats them to it? so what is the
excuse
> for these veterans, blame it on Paper Certifications some of the "paper
> certification" claims are raisin from fear of competition and jealousy.
> Quite frankly I know some professionals preparing for the RedHat Exams
(lack
> of FreeBSD one) and they been practicing UNIX  for years so when they get
> certified I won't say they are paper certified, they work day and night
> around RedHat and they study hard to get the certifications. I would hope
> one of these days some certification exists for FreeBSD what the heck I
> might start one, with a text already out like the Complete FreeBSD by Greg
> Lehay. So lets put this "paper certification" claim in prospective please?
>
>
> --
> Majid Almassari, MSEE, MCP.
> Systems Administrator
> iBroadcast, Inc.
> http://www.ibroadcast.com
> Email: majid@ibroadcast.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Hovey <shovey@buffnet.net>
> To: John Flowers <John.Flowers@botcc.com>
> Cc: Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org>; <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 7:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Certifications
>
>
> >
> > Frmo my own experience in computer land - and from the hair loss Ive
> > suffered hiring computer staff, the best way to learn ANYTHING is to
jump
> > in and get crasy.
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, John Flowers wrote:
> >
> > > My mistake.  really what I probably should have asked what is the best
> way to
> > > learn FreeBSD.  Through classes or as I am doing now, in the trenches
> > > grinding my way through?  I do know many of those " Paper Certified"
> > > administrators, so I understand.  Well back to the trenches I go.
> Before I
> > > go another question.  I am building my FreeBSD workstation from the
> ground
> > > up.  Does anyone have any suggestions for the board to use. and what
> > > processor would be best Intel or should I go towards the Alpha.  I
have
> been
> > > leaning towards an asus P2B-S, or ASUS P3C-S for a motherboard, with a
> > > Pentium 3.  I am still researching the Alpha.
> > >
> > > thanks again,
> > >
> > > John Flowers
> > >
> > > Steve Hovey wrote:
> > >
> > > > > On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, John Flowers wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Where do I go to find classes to be certified in FreeBSD.
> > > > >
> > > > >       Short answer, there aren't any. Longer answer, it wouldn't
> mean
> > > > > anything even if there were.
> > > >
> > > > You are making that smart person mistake - those of us in the
trenches
> > > > realise that certification courses are waste (Ive known several
> certified
> > > > stupid people) - BUT business is a game, and non-techie managers
need
> > > > something to go by to feel they are making a good hire choice, and
> > > > unfortunately buy into the cert thing.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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