From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 10:28:06 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B3C106566B for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:28:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0B68FC19 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0aEw1e00716AWCUA4aEwKG; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:14:56 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([98.248.46.159]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 0aEv1e0013S48mS8SaEvne; Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:14:56 +0000 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5436B9B419; Fri, 2 Apr 2010 03:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 03:14:54 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-ID: <20100402101454.GA62089@icarus.home.lan> References: <20100402021715.669838e0.stas@FreeBSD.org> <11597.1270200291@critter.freebsd.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <11597.1270200291@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Randy Bush , Doug Barton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, Stanislav Sedov , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Results of BIND RFC X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:28:06 -0000 On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 09:24:51AM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <20100402021715.669838e0.stas@FreeBSD.org>, Stanislav Sedov writes: > >On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:55:07 +0000 > >"Poul-Henning Kamp" mentioned: > > >Sorry, I think I was not clear enough. > > Sorry for misunderstanding. > > Yes, the case can certainly be made that DNS query tool belongs in the > base system. I disagree (so what else is new?) It should be kept out of the base system. KISS: Doug pulling BIND out of the base system / going ports-only = excellent. Doug making a separate port for BIND-esque DNS query/maintenance tools = excellent. Both of the above can be made into packages. Vendors who use FreeBSD can incorporate said package(s) into their build infrastructure. Folks who do not have Internet connections (yet for some reason want said DNS tools) can install the package(s) from CD/DVD/USB. I want the bikeshed to be black. :-) [1]: FreeBSD really needs to move away from the "base system" as a concept, as I've ranted about in the past. Or if it cannot, the "base system" needs to start using pkg_* (somehow) for use, and src.conf WITHOUT_xxx (where xxx = some software) removed. Concept being: "I don't need Kerberos; pkg_delete base-krb5. I also don't need lib32; pkg_delete base-lib32". Beautiful concept, hard to implement due to libraries being yanked out from underneathe binaries that are linked to them. But you get the idea. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc@parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |