From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Tue Jan 3 18:33:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52879C9DC7F for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:33:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from lb2-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb2-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.xs4all.nl", Issuer "GlobalSign Domain Validation CA - SHA256 - G2" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E81A5182C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:33:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.home ([83.162.243.5]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id TuXq1u00407iGuj01uXr28; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 19:31:51 +0100 Received: from rsmith (uid 1001) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) id 123a4 by slackbox.erewhon.home (DragonFly Mail Agent v0.11+); Tue, 03 Jan 2017 19:31:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:31:50 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: "Zane C. B-H." Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: End of year Xorg status rant Message-ID: <20170103183149.GA86111@slackbox.erewhon.home> References: <20161230163653.54909631@rsbsd.rsb> <15952279f17.e0be0d8c34357.732964216134709731@nextbsd.org> <20161231120453.13adf858@thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20161231145143.18e6ac99@rsbsd.rsb> <20161231131150.GA3514@lonesome.com> <20161231160319.1a77a8fd@azsupport.com> <822e64b6a6efa38ad5331e2be3f175f9@vvelox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="envbJBWh7q8WU6mo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <822e64b6a6efa38ad5331e2be3f175f9@vvelox.net> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:33:04 -0000 --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 03, 2017 at 12:14:54AM -0600, Zane C. B-H. wrote: > On 2016-12-31 09:03, Andrei wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 07:11:51 -0600 > > Mark Linimon wrote: > >=20 > >> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 02:51:55PM +0300, Beeblebrox via freebsd-x11 > >> wrote: > >> > I'm sure the Foundation and developers have been debating whether to > >> > drop desktop all together > >>=20 > >> I have never heard of any such discussion. Would the Foundation be willing to sponsor a developer to work on X? I'd be willing to donate toward that. > Honestly this entire thread has been full of WTF. Second that. > I've been using FreeBSD for desktop purposes since like late 2001/early= =20 > 2002. The only issue I've ever had is X -configure does a shit job of=20 > picking defaults at times, but that is not a FreeBSD issue. I've been using FreeBSD amd64 on desktops and laptops since 2004 (5.3).=20 Mostly on Radeon GPU's. On the whole, I'd say X works fine. > Yes, X tends to lag a bit behind Linux, Given limited manpower, that is pretty much a given. Especially since Linux graphics seem (IMO) to be in a permanent state of flux. > but all in all X is a much > better experience on FreeBSD than Linux. One of the big thing that > really stands out between the two is screen tearing is rare on FreeBSD > compared to Linux. I cannot recall ever seeing screen tearing on FreeBSD. > X works well enough under FreeBSD that I honestly use it for gaming via > wine. > > Personally I am proud and happy with what our X team has done with it, Ditto. > especially with Intel chipset support since like 10, making using it on > a broader number of laptops all that more awesome. In 11 it is > completely goat fragging wiz with the new KMS stuff. <3 The new KMS works fine with my Radeons. 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