From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 01:17:47 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA58D5BA04C for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F309k30vyz3js9 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:a238:cff0:91af:a860:b907:eaa2] (unknown [172.58.136.188]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1DF4C4E6B3; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:17:40 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:17:38 -0500 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <766AC454-804B-492E-B547-E2399C07D0CD@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: To: Fongaboo X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F309k30vyz3js9 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.136.188:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 01:17:47 -0000 > On Mar 20, 2021, at 7:05 PM, Fongaboo = wrote: >=20 >=20 > I see there have been a ton of responses to this already. I could be = wrong, but I'm going to assume most of it is OS-wars. I don't have time = to pour through it all. If I'm off-base and out of context, please = forgive me. But wanted to offer my experience: >=20 > After nearly two decades of self-hosting DNS/mail/web on a FreeBSD = colo, I decided I couldn't give FreeBSD the focus and energy it needs to = be properly maintained. >=20 > I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and = is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just completed = a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, Dovecot, = Postfixadmin & Roundcube. If Jerry decides to move that way, your post may help him, so thanks = from Jerry in advance. To balance what you said I just add my experience of opposite move: from = Linux to FreeBSD, and my servers are happily FreeBSD for about a decade. = And that move from Linux to FreeBSD a lot of advantages and solved quite = a number of problems Linux was giving me. But numbercrunchers and = workstations I maintain for the department are Linux (and some = workstations are MacOS, andMS Windows). The search where to flee from Linux began after switch from 2.4 to 2.6 = kernel. Actually some time - over a year - after that, when it became = too annoying: every 45 days on average: either glibc or kernel security = update =3D=3D> reboot. One of my friends started using the word Lindoze = (implying irreverent name of known commercial system requiring reboot = after update which happens often). Search for the system where to flee from Linux took a couple of years. = Open solaris was considered at some point as a candidate. About a time = when Oracle bough out Sun Microsystems. And the joke after that = acquisition was: how do we call their system now? Well, repeat many = times sun-oracle faster and faster, and you will get it right: snorkel. Jokes aside: FreeBSD ended up a choice, and very sound one. It is the = highest used of BSD descendants (I will not count here commercial ones). = Incidentally, Microsoft was once noticed running FreeBSD on a couple of = their servers. Reboots are rare: once or twice a year the most often. = Jails allow easily juggle a bunch of small servers (each being a jail on = a machine hosting 10-20 jails). Some of the servers do not even exists = as an individual system: they are composed of several jails, each = running one (or few inseparable) services; people can ssh to the server, = they appear just in separate jail where no other services (except for = sshd) run. And the list of conveniences goes on. I hope this helps to balance Fongaboo=E2=80=99s post ;-) Valeri > If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. I'm = willing to share my walkthroughs. >=20 >=20 > Fong >=20 >=20 > On Fri, 19 Mar 2021, Jerry wrote: >=20 >> With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL of >> FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to FreeBSD?s >> unfortunate inability to squash bug >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D237666, l am left >> with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones system >> that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a few other >> utilities. >> --=20 >> Jerry >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"