From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 16:21:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B70916A4C2 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:21:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265BC43D9E for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:20:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from greenwood.andy@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1974576uge for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:20:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=U9z29yDeQUnRXGkdFxopFL/eCRN9fJ0N2X4NNTzA7HI4pMHOwxtiGF0z7n40fRL+pex3IZ6tFhoS4wnlxwMTXqoODWa+IzLgL725tw3OpZHWOQATWxMbGfqyR2/5/u89E4BcOKL0T45DZ446hMUUeNmswPOl0MRnok7f18WFoGk= Received: by 10.78.180.18 with SMTP id c18mr147778huf.1166631620677; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.138.2 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:20:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3ee9ca710612200820o115a2391n1dccd2a5edeef5ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:20:20 -0500 From: "Andy Greenwood" To: "Terabyte Pete" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4588601A.9030602@swbell.net> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 16:21:42 -0000 On 12/20/06, Terabyte Pete wrote: > 7:04 AM, Wednesday, December 20, 2006 > > In Winblow$, the release & bundling of IE was purposely as crippleware, > virus, & bug delivery system 2 trap people into constantly 'upgrading'. A > simple comparisson of Windows 95 side-by-side with the final Windows ME & > various IE 'upgrades' illustrates how the supposedly 'new & improved' stuff > is actually about 1/5 the speed, & about 10X less reliable. > > The Ephiphany: A similar crippleware model exists in UNIX & Linux, BSD, > Dragonfly, IRIX, Open VMS, etc! But what is the method of crippling? The > USER INTERFACE is purposely difficult to use, requiring vast tracts of > arcane code & 'switches' the user is 'supposed' to be able to remember. The > OS Kernels are designed to require constant patching or nothing runs > properly when 'upgrading' softwares. What is the result? Well, the OS & > applications may be free, but the system administrator type costs are not. > I have concluded, in a flash of insight, that all of the non-windows OSes, > save perhaps TRON (which is a Jap OS that is actually designed to simply > WORK - runs most cell phones, anti-lock brakes, etc.) - the function of > most free OSes & softwares is to create a market for engineering services to > create a functional environment with them. > > While even though WInblow$ is crippled & slowed down artificially like > molasses in a 'stock' install, at least it FUNCTIONS. Free operating > systems never do. It's hell even trying to convigure the hardware, on which > Windows everything in that respect is done automatically. > > If a bunch of morons at Micro$hit can make drivers automatically load, & > systems automatically configure, damn sure a bunch of tweaky inventors at > 'god-knows-what-or-another' linux could do it to. Truth is, they simply > have no interest in making things configure easily. It would put the > 'sysadmins' who wrote the programs out of a job! > > When I approached Dragonfly & BSD about simply offering a menu-driven > interface, like WIndow$, so things could be easily configured & installed, > those who didn't simply ignore me made a point of laughing at me & mocking > me. They are simply not even interested in making it easy. They WANT it 2 > B hard 2 use. It is done BY DESIGN! > > Sick - but true. Rather like how doctors in America inject people over & > over with mercury in vaccines, so they get 'disseasses' like 'autism' & > 'altzheimers' (just different names for mercury poisoning). I have no desire to get involved in a flame war, but are you sure on this one? http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/concerns/thimerosal.htm > Free operating > systems, on average, are written specificaly to work well once configured, > but the configuration to be a complete nightmare so as to create a need for > 'system administrator' employees. They write it 2 B a pain in the ass, 2 > assure their own job security. Just like M$ writes Windoze 2 B full of > bugs, so they can keep selling the same crap over & over "oh but we fixed it > this time" - yeah right :)) I am still using the shell from Windows95. > It's the only stable, AND fast shell that Microsoft has released. Even > their own services like MSN & Hotmail don't use their own shit. THey use > BSD! & I am sure, over at Hurricane Internet (their subcontractor), those > BSD guys are happy to spend their days 'configuring' things for a pretty > penny! > > HAHAHAHA - the 'unix' geeks R laughing all the way 2 the bank! They're not > ripping people off via software per se, but 'services' > > What the world needs is a single OS that will run all softwares. Short of > that, at least an OS that will run all versions of Windows software. The > very first pre-IE Windows95 shell comes very close - few bugs in it, but > relatively minor. It is the best product Microsoft has ever produced. We > should get together & release a 'toolkit' to upgrade the kernel from this > early 1995 release, so it will be compatable with things like 'get special > folders path' and '.net' & other bullshit that 3rd programmers have written > into their code 2 look 4 in the shell. Basically, take those few elements > REQUIRED from the last shells, & make a way 2 import only those > NON-crippling functions into the first shell. > > 'Get special folders path' is a particularly common error, as > incompatability goes. About 1 in 5 new programs expect that 'function call' > or whatever. It is easy enough 2 switch shells while installing or using > those programs, but it incapacitates the functionality of the other kernel > things - like being able 2 move vast tracts of files around without the > whole OS locking up LOL > > Oh notice also how if you take Windows98 & upgrade it to the 'latest > greatest' IE, it will lock up the computer even MORE often LOL!!! I mean, > just trying 2 move some files around- & everything freezes! So people are > saying 'get me XP NOW!' - haha - if they just put the 95 shell on there, the > fucking machines SCREAM! :) OOOH 30,000 files - can I have some more? Oh > nice, 55,000 folders - yum! > > Yes that is common - I am always moving huge numbers of things around. I > rip a lot of sites, backup customer systems, etc. > > Oh another thing nice would B able 2 read AND write to NTFS compressed file > system from the 95 shell. Can read using a 'sysinternals' program, but not > write :( Maybe soon! There is also a program called 'write everything', > but it is expensive. Reason being U can about double the space with big > volumes of small files using the compression thingy. > > It's like most things in the world - the more layers of bullshit U peel > away, the more it's all revealed 2 B a web of scams - vast web of intricate > scams. I am very anti-scam. I am result-oriented. Like when I discover > that I can use a 20" diameter tube that costs me $30 instead of an $800 CNC > fabbed cabinet, & the tubular version actually EXCEEDS the performance, I > stop making the high priced version, not try & keep the superior solution a > fucking SECRET! > > U know, opposite of those oil companies - buying up the rail & mass transit, > so they could DESTROY it, & rip everybody off with cars & gas they don't > need. It would be nice if more people were solution oriented like ma'self. > We can build a better world. > > L8R ~!~ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page > www.live.com/?addtemplate=football&icid=T001MSN30A0701 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- I'm nerdy in the extreme and whiter than sour cream