From owner-freebsd-libh Sat Oct 27 15:14:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F50237B406; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id 5A686C0; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:14:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 23:14:22 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: The Anarcat , "Simon L. Nielsen" , Eric Melville , binup@FreeBSD.ORG, libh@FreeBSD.ORG, Alexander Langer Subject: Re: current project steps Message-ID: <20011027231422.A55931@tao.org.uk> References: <43062.1004217818@winston.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <43062.1004217818@winston.freebsd.org>; from jkh@winston.freebsd.org on Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 02:23:38PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 27, 2001 at 02:23:38PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > It sounds to me that libh has its fingers in too many pies. It's not a > > clean API; and should be split into several, or rely on others. >=20 > Hmmm. What was it someone said a few days ago about not presuming to > dictact to others without also being willing to do the work or being, > at a minimum, intimately familiar with the subject material? :-) What's wrong with "sounds to me"? It wasn't a "it isn't!". From the given description I think that my opinion isn't that off the mark. I'll be reading the libh design document in the next few days to see. I'll not comment on libh any more until I have. > Sit down, Joe, and let the libh people do what they need to do. You > can critique it once it's a) finished or b) you start to make enough > of a credible contribution yourself that can argue your architectural > views from the standpoint of working code. I'm doing nothing to stop them Jordan! What makes you think that I am? I only expressed an opinion based upon the previous poster's description of what libh is. I'll read the libh documents and see if I got it wrong. > Sorry if this seems a bit harsh, but the libh folks have been making > great progress lately, after a long period of being completely > stalled-out, and this is NOT the time for the peanut gallery to start > piping up with steering corrections from the back seat unless it's > also willing to walk up to the front and start rowing. Sorry Jordan, yes it is a bit harsh! I know that you've got a personal stake in the libh development, and design documents - maybe that makes you a little tunnel visioned. I hope not. I'd be interested in your comments too on the earlier thread this month. My comments come from an intention to "start rowing"; that's why I've only posted on the subject recently despite being in discussion on the subject with other members of the community for at least six months. I'm not knocking libh. I'm expressing a concern that it "may have it's fingers in too many pies". Joe --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjvbMb0ACgkQXVIcjOaxUBayhQCgnibZffn7vwfWX/AU7eaV4yv7 k38AnRwu6pk+Il2cDlZ0gB31W39gei03 =3p45 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-libh" in the body of the message