From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 20 2:36:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from enstinet.EG.net (enstinet.EG.net [195.43.0.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2232E14C9B for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 02:36:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rumohym@rusys.EG.net) Received: from ipp69.dialup.EUnet.EG.net by enstinet.EG.net (5.65/5.65) with SMTP id AA11161 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 20 Jun 99 12:28:33 +0300 Message-Id: <9906200928.AA11161@enstinet.EG.net> Received: from COMPUTER_2 by nt4_server.domain with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id MQH94YKV; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:31:00 +0300 From: Dr.Mohy.M.T.Manssour To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: ref wael 4000 Date: 22 Jun 99 12:37:40 +0200 X-Mailer: NeoPlanet Version: 2.1.0.603 X-Id: 6F04A5E1F65E11D2BD6200C026C08DFC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="X-X-X-X-X-X--NeoPlanet-MIME-TEXTandHTML--X-X-X-X-X-X-X7759642-X-X" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --X-X-X-X-X-X--NeoPlanet-MIME-TEXTandHTML--X-X-X-X-X-X-X7759642-X-X Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Dear Sir: We are EL-KOBBA CO. A group 's recently found work in marketing, information and in consultants. We visit your web-site through Internet we are interesting for marketing your product in Egypt. Egypt is now considered as a largest market zone in the Middle East area. EL-KOBBA CO. has well trained technical staff, sales officers and engineers Capable of distributing your products in Egypt. Information: - We wish to extend our activity to your field. We look forward to establishing a good business relationship with your company We work as technical office to supplies Egyptian client's with information requirement in marketing filed, we are a member in:" the information transfer group in Egypt " we aim to introduce and research advanced information which added the Egyptian client's to obtain marketing information. Our activity extended and generalized to different place governmental & private sector. So we hope excellent result & success to your try in Egypt. Our company " El-kobba " has been invited to participate an Egyptian governmental project and private. We have a lot of work: - (1) a lot of tenders of medical lab equipment's lab's for research institutes, universities ,factories in many industries (2) A lot of tenders of medical and lab equipment's turnkey for hospitals. We would appreciate your cooperation with us we welcome you to bid in first items we welcome you also to bid in turnkey project through your planning or through any company that is familiar to you and can collect all turnkey items n.b. . GENERAL CONDITION for Egyptian tender's requirement's 1-English prospect for every instrument's 2-all equipment 220 v - 50 Hz for new equipment (not re-used) 3-clarify: model type manufacture- Technical specification  unit price 4- terms of payments  short delivery time Generally we are interest in: - 1. -cooperation with your company to be as agent in Egypt. 2. Well will appreciate muchly, if you could send us brochures about your 3. Different products lines in English language, and the re-sales latest Price list. For new equipment's (not re-used before) 4. information about any more activities 5. please let me your re-sales price list and clarify model Type-manufacture-original-unit price of main unit, price of accessory and Spar parts and terms of payments including short delivery time 6. And also once we received your leaflet catalogues and re-sales price we can contact with Egyptian client. NB the client accept the lowest price Dr. Mohy M.T.Manssour Our e-mail rumohym@rusys.eg.net Fax 4555 912 Tel 4555 912 p.o.box 80 saria El-kobba Cairo Egypt PLEASE SEND P.I. AND CAT. SHOULD BE FOLLOW ED BY E.M.S. Item no. Descreption Qty Unit price total 1- VACUUM EXTRACTOR MANUAL 30 2 " " ELECTRICAL 5 3 UNIVERSAL OPERATING TABLE ( 1005X ) 10 4 DITTO SJ 21 10 5 DIATHERAMY ( MONO & BIPOLAR ) 300-400 W With all stanard acc. And optinal acc Please offer all avallable models and spec. 5 6 EMERGENCY CARE SYSTEM INFATRESATATOR With all stanard acc. And optinal acc Please offer all avallable models and spec 3 7 ECG MONTOR ONE CHANNEL With all stanard acc. And optinal acc Please offer all avallable models and spec 5 8 O.P.CELLING LAMP 5 REFLECTOR (HALOGEN LAMP ) PLEASESEND P.I. AND CAT. SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY E.M.S 10 9 DITTO 9 REFLECTOR ( HALOGEN ) PLEASESEND P.I. AND CAT. SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY E.M.S 10 10 EMERGICY SIDE LAMP W/HANING CHARGE UNIT PLEASESEND P.I. AND CAT. SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY E.M.S 10 11 ELECTRIC SIDE LAMP PLEASESEND P.I. AND CAT. SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY E.M.S 10 12 SHUNT KIT LOW 12 M.9040A 10 13 " " " 16M .9040B 10 14 LUMBOPERTONAL 44410 150 15 BEACKER EXTERINAL RAING 46128 10 16 INFANT STETHOSCOPE 50 17 ELECTRONIC STETOSCOPE 20 18 STETHOSCOPE 1000 19 LARYNGOSCOPE W/3 BLADES 100 20 HEMOGLOBONOMETER 50 21 CINCAL THEROMETER PRASMATIC 50 000 22 " " " FLATED 20 000 23 TEST TUBE GLASS 15X16X160 100 000 24 AUTOMAIC X-RAY FILM PROCESSOR 5 25 DOSIMETER (PEN TYPE ) 20 26 HEATER ACIDS FOR X-RAY 25 27 CUTTER FOR X-RAY FILM 20 28 X-RAYFILM CLIPS 300 29 LEAD MARK L/R 50 30 DITTO 0-9 25 31 DITTO A-Z 15 32 LEAD APRON DOUBLE FOR C-ARM 20 33 LEAD APRON 0.5 PB. 20 34 DENTAL X-RAY FILM 3X4 CM ( PLEASE SEND YOUR SAMPLE 200 35 X-RAY FILM SIZE14X14' BLUE 150 36 DITTO 18 X 24 CM 100 37 X-RAY DEVOLPERS 3G .MANUAL 200 38 PHOTO ROLL FILM 100 MM X 45 M 300 39 PHYSIO THERAPY EQUIPMENT 1 MASSAGE UNIT ELECTRIC 10 2 FANGO HEATER 10 3 SHOULER WHEEL (BAR TYPE-WHEEL TYPE ) 5 4 QUA DRICEPS BENCH 3 5 HOT PACK O.P. SIZE 8 CM X 27 CM 50 6 DITTO OVER SIZE 37 CM X 60 CM 50 7 DITTO NECK CONTOUR SIZE 60 CM 50 8 DITTO TANDARD SIZE 25 CM X 60CM 50 9 SMALL HY DRO COLATTOR 10 10 SHORT WAVE APP 400W .PULRED AND CONTINUOUS 220V /50HZ COMPLETE WITH SET OF STANDARD ACCESSORIES 5 11 DITTO SHORT WAVE APP. PORTABLE 200W 20 12 GALVAIC DYNAMIC APP.438 10 13 MANUAL TREADMILL COMPLETE WITH ALL STANDARD ACC. AND OPTIONAL ACC. 5 14 ROWING MACHINE 5 15 ULTRA SOUND WIT TWO HEAD 1 & 3 MHZ FOR PHYSIOTHRAPY 220V / 50HZ COMPLETE WITH SET OF STANDARD AND ACC. 20 16 GALVAIC FARRADIC APP 10 17 HAND DYNOMOMETER 10 18 FRGOMETER ( FOR HOME ) 15 19 ERGOMETER ( FOR HOSPITAL ) 3 20 AUOMATIC READ MILL 3 21 SKIN FOLD METER 10 22 ELECTRIC TRACTION WITH TABLE 3 23 MANUAL CERVICAL TRACTION 5 24 T.N.S. NERVE STIMULATOR ( ONE CHANNEL ) 15 40 DENTAL SUPPLIES 1 LIGHT CURE APP.WITH SPARE LAMP 220V , 50HZ .EYE SPARE PROTECTION DISC. 40 2 DOXING & MAXING UNIT ( AMALGMIZER ) 220V /50HZ 50 3 AUTOCLAVE FOR DENTAL USE 15L 220V/50HZ 25 4 EXTRACTING FORCEPS FOR UPPER INCISOR NO. ONE 50 5 DITTO FOR UPPER PREMOLAR NO. 7 50 6 EXTRACTING FOR CEPS FOR UPP.RIGHT MOLAR NO. 17 50 7 DITTO FOR UPP-LEFT MOLAR NO. 18 50 8 DITTO FOR UPP-WISDOUM NO 67 50 9 DITT FOR UPP-ROOT.NO 51 50 10 EXTRACTING FORCEPS FOR LOWER INCISSOR NO.4 50 11 DITO . FOR LOWER MOLAR NO 73 50 12 DITTO FOR LOWER PREMOLAR NO 13 50 13 DITTO FOR LOWDER ROOTS NO 33 50 14 WINTER ELEVATOR 12L + 12 R 50 15 BARRY ELEVATOR 32753-22 50 16 DITTO 327-53-23 50 17 DITTO 327-53-71( AS MEDICON 0 50 18 STRAIGHT ELEVATOR WITH GROVE 321-10-52 ( AS MEDICON) 50 19 -APIXO ELEVATOR WITH GROVE 321-10-52 - 321-10-53 ( AS MEDICON ) 10 10 20 STRAIGHT ELEVATOR ( HOSPITAL )321-52-11 ( AS MEDICAON) 50 21 DENTAL DISPOSABLE NEEDLES UNIVERSAL 27G SHORT NEEDLES BOX OF 100 PCS 500 22 TOOTH CLEANING BRUSHES SMALL SIZE FOR CONTRA ANGLE ( WHITE ) 1000/12 23 DIAMOND DISC 7/8 S/S 200 24 DITTO BURS INVERTED CONE F.GNO. 1,2,3 ( 1000 EA.SIZE ) 3000 25 CARBORANUM DISCS 7/8 S/S BOX / 100 100 26 VULCANITE BUR ST.ST.FOR LABORATORY H.P. 15000 27 FIG 72/060/070 100 28 FIG 73/050-060-070 100 29 75/060-070 100 30 351-060-070 100 31 82-060-070 100 32 87-060-070 100 33 77-060-070 100 34 ACID ETCHING LIQU .15ML 100 35 ACID ETCHING CEL.4 GR 100 36 ADHESOR ( ZINC PHOSPHATE CEMENT )NORMAL TYPE SHADE 1,2,80 GR P+55GR LIQU 4 000 37 TRICRESOL FORMALINE 500 38 CERIN ( BLUE WAX ) 15 LANCER 30 G 400 39 LIGHT CURE COMPOSITE UNIVERSAL 3GR SYRING 200 40 CONSUMEBLES 1 HOT WATER BOTTLE 2 LIT 1500 2 HOT WQTER BOTTLE 2.5 LITER 1500 3 RUBBER ESMARCH BAND 6 CM 100 4 RUBBER ESMARCH BAND 8 CM 200 5 RUBBER ESMARCH BAND 10 CM 200 6 FISTULA NEEDLE 16 G 500 7 PLASTIC RECTA TUBE .25 200 8 PLASTIC RECTA TUBE .28 200 9 PLASTIC RECTA TUBE .30 200 10 PLASTIC RECTA UBE .32 200 11 ICEBAG RUBBER OVAL 1000 12 BLOODGIVING SET W/NEEDLE 5000 13 636-20 TRRACIC TROCAR DRAING 100 14 636-28 THRACI TROAR DRAING 200 15 PERMENENT PLASTIC CLOSTOMY BAGS SIZE 57 ( PAKT OF 30 ) 500 16 SANGEST AKEN TUBE 18 100 17 SANGESTAKEN TUBE 21 100 18 PLASTIC OXYGEN MASK ADULT 500 19 RUBBER NASAL ENDO TUBE 3 250 20 RUBBER NASAL ENDO TUBE 3.5 250 21 RUBBER NASAL ENDO TUBE 4 250 22 RUBBER ORAL ENDO TUBE .3 250 23 RUBBER ORAL ENDO TUBE 3.5 250 24 RUBBER ORAL ENDO TUBE 4 250 25 DISPOSABLE SYRING W/NEEDLE 20CC 2000 26 DISPOSABLE SYRING W/NEEDLE 50 CC 1000 27 AUTOCLABLE ROOLS FOR INDICATING STERILIZITION 500 ATMP. 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Dear Sir :
             We are EL-KOBBA CO.  A group 's recently found  work in 
marketing, information and in consultants. We visit your web-site 
through Internet  
 we are interesting for marketing your product in 
Egypt. Egypt is now considered as a largest market zone in the Middle 
East area. EL-KOBBA CO. has well trained technical staff, sales officers 
and engineers Capable of distributing your products in Egypt.

Information: -
We wish to extend our activity to your field. We look forward to 
establishing a good business relationship with your company

We work as technical office to supplies Egyptian client's with information 
requirement in marketing filed, we are a member in:" the information 
transfer group in Egypt " we aim to introduce and research advanced 
information which added the Egyptian client's to obtain marketing 
information.  Our activity extended and generalized to different place 
governmental & private sector. So we hope excellent result & success to 
your try in Egypt.

Our company " El-kobba " has been invited to participate an Egyptian 
governmental project and private.
We have a lot of work: -
(1)        a lot of tenders of medical lab equipment's  
 lab's for research institutes, 
universities ,factories in many industries
(2)        A lot of tenders of medical and lab equipment's turnkey for hospitals.

We would appreciate your cooperation with us  
we welcome you to bid in first  items   
we welcome you also to bid in turnkey project through your planning or through  
  
 
 any company that is familiar to you and can collect all turnkey  items   
n.b.  . GENERAL CONDITION for Egyptian tender's requirement's
1-English prospect for every instrument's
2-all equipment 220 v - 50 Hz for new equipment (not re-used)
3-clarify: model type manufacture- Technical specification  unit price 
4- terms of payments  short delivery time
 

 
Generally we are interest in :
 
-
1
.        -
 cooperation with your company to be as agent in Egypt.
2.        Well will appreciate muchly, if you could send us 
brochures about your  
3.        Different products lines in English language, and the 
re-sales latest  Price list. For new equipment's (not re-
used before )
4.         information about  
 any more activities
5.        please let me your re-sales price list and clarify model
Type-manufacture-original-unit price of main unit, price of 
accessory and Spar parts and terms of payments including 
short delivery time
6.        And also once we received your leaflet catalogues and 
re-sales price we can contact with Egyptian client .
NB the client accept the lowest price

Dr. Mohy M.T.Manssour
Our e-mail   rumohym@rusys.eg.net
Fax  4555 912
Tel  4555 912  
p.o.box 80 saria El-kobba Cairo Egypt  



PLEASE SEND P.I. AND CAT. SHOULD BE FOLLOW ED BY E.M.S.
Item no.        Descreption         Qty        Unit price         total        
1-        VACUUM EXTRACTOR MANUAL         30                        
2        "                   "               ELECTRICAL        5                        
3        UNIVERSAL OPERATING TABLE ( 1005X 
)        10                        
4        DITTO SJ 21        10                        
5        DIATHERAMY ( MONO & BIPOLAR ) 300-400 W With all 
stanard  acc. And optinal acc Please offer  all avallable models and 
spec.        5                        
6        EMERGENCY CARE SYSTEM INFATRESATATOR With all 
stanard  acc. And optinal acc Please offer  all avallable models and 
spec        3                        
7        ECG MONTOR ONE CHANNEL With all stanard  acc. And 
optinal acc Please offer  all avallable models and 
spec        5                        
8        O.P.CELLING LAMP 5 REFLECTOR (HALOGEN LAMP ) 
PLEASESEND P.I. AND CAT. SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY 
E.M.S        10                        
9        DITTO                          9 REFLECTOR ( HALOGEN ) 
PLEASESEND P.I. AND CAT. SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY 
E.M.S        10                        
10        EMERGICY SIDE LAMP W/HANING CHARGE UNIT 
PLEASESEND P.I. AND CAT. SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY 
E.M.S        10                        
11        ELECTRIC SIDE LAMP PLEASESEND P.I. AND CAT. 
SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY E.M.S        10                        
12        SHUNT KIT LOW 12 M.9040A        10                        
13        "        "             "      16M .9040B        10                        
14        LUMBOPERTONAL 44410        150                        
15        BEACKER EXTERINAL RAING 46128        10                        
16        INFANT STETHOSCOPE        50                        
17        ELECTRONIC STETOSCOPE        20                        
18        STETHOSCOPE        1000                        
19        LARYNGOSCOPE W/3 BLADES        100                        
20        HEMOGLOBONOMETER        50                        
21        CINCAL THEROMETER PRASMATIC         50 
000                        
22        "           "           "                FLATED        20 000                        
23        TEST TUBE GLASS 15X16X160        100 000                        
24        AUTOMAIC X-RAY FILM PROCESSOR        5                        
25        DOSIMETER (PEN TYPE )        20                        
26        HEATER ACIDS FOR X-RAY        25                        
27        CUTTER FOR X-RAY FILM        20                        
28        X-RAYFILM CLIPS        300                        
29        LEAD MARK L/R        50                        
30        DITTO 0-9        25                        
31        DITTO  A-Z        15                        
32        LEAD APRON DOUBLE FOR C-ARM        20                        
33        LEAD APRON 0.5 PB.        20                        
34        DENTAL X-RAY FILM 3X4 CM ( PLEASE SEND YOUR 
SAMPLE        200                        
35        X-RAY FILM SIZE14X14' BLUE        150                        
36        DITTO 18 X 24 CM        100                        
37        X-RAY DEVOLPERS 3G .MANUAL        200                        
38        PHOTO ROLL FILM 100 MM X 45 M        300                        






39        PHYSIO THERAPY EQUIPMENT                                
1        MASSAGE UNIT ELECTRIC        10                        
2        FANGO HEATER        10                        
3        SHOULER WHEEL (BAR TYPE-WHEEL TYPE 
)        5                        
4        QUA DRICEPS BENCH        3                        
5        HOT PACK O.P. SIZE 8 CM X 27 CM        50                        
6        DITTO OVER SIZE 37 CM X 60 CM        50                        
7        DITTO  NECK CONTOUR SIZE 60 CM        50                        
8        DITTO  TANDARD SIZE 25 CM X 60CM        50                        
9        SMALL HY DRO COLATTOR        10                        
10        SHORT WAVE APP 400W .PULRED AND CONTINUOUS 220V 
/50HZ COMPLETE  WITH SET OF STANDARD 
ACCESSORIES        5                        
11        DITTO SHORT WAVE APP. PORTABLE 
200W        20                        
12        GALVAIC DYNAMIC APP.438        10                        
13        MANUAL TREADMILL COMPLETE WITH ALL STANDARD 
ACC. AND OPTIONAL  ACC.        5                        
14        ROWING MACHINE        5                        
15        ULTRA SOUND WIT TWO HEAD 1 & 3 MHZ FOR 
PHYSIOTHRAPY 220V / 50HZ COMPLETE WITH SET OF 
STANDARD AND ACC.        20                        
16        GALVAIC FARRADIC APP        10                        
17        HAND DYNOMOMETER        10                        
18        FRGOMETER ( FOR HOME )        15                        
19        ERGOMETER ( FOR HOSPITAL )        3                        
20        AUOMATIC READ MILL        3                        
21        SKIN FOLD METER        10                        
22        ELECTRIC TRACTION WITH TABLE        3                        
23        MANUAL CERVICAL TRACTION        5                        
24        T.N.S. NERVE STIMULATOR ( ONE CHANNEL 
)        15                        
40         DENTAL SUPPLIES                                
1        LIGHT CURE APP.WITH SPARE LAMP 220V , 50HZ .EYE 
SPARE PROTECTION DISC.        40                        
2        DOXING & MAXING UNIT ( AMALGMIZER ) 220V 
/50HZ        50                        
3        AUTOCLAVE FOR DENTAL USE 15L 
220V/50HZ        25                        
4        EXTRACTING FORCEPS FOR UPPER INCISOR NO. 
ONE        50                        
5        DITTO FOR UPPER PREMOLAR NO. 7        50                        
6        EXTRACTING FOR CEPS FOR UPP.RIGHT MOLAR NO. 
17        50                        
7        DITTO FOR UPP-LEFT MOLAR NO. 18        50                        
8        DITTO FOR UPP-WISDOUM NO 67        50                        
9        DITT FOR UPP-ROOT.NO 51        50                        
10        EXTRACTING  FORCEPS FOR LOWER INCISSOR 
NO.4        50                        
11        DITO . FOR LOWER MOLAR NO 73        50                        
12        DITTO FOR LOWER PREMOLAR NO 13        50                        
13        DITTO FOR LOWDER ROOTS NO 33        50                        
14        WINTER ELEVATOR 12L + 12 R        50                        
15        BARRY ELEVATOR 32753-22        50                        
16        DITTO                           327-53-23        50                        
17          DITTO                         327-53-71( AS MEDICON 
0        50                        
18        STRAIGHT ELEVATOR WITH GROVE 321-10-52 ( AS 
MEDICON)        50                        
19        -APIXO ELEVATOR WITH GROVE 321-10-52 -                                           
321-10-53 ( AS MEDICON )        10 10                        
20        STRAIGHT ELEVATOR ( HOSPITAL )321-52-11 ( AS 
MEDICAON)        50                        
21        DENTAL DISPOSABLE NEEDLES UNIVERSAL 27G SHORT 
NEEDLES BOX OF 100 PCS        500                        
22        TOOTH CLEANING BRUSHES SMALL SIZE FOR CONTRA 
ANGLE ( WHITE )        1000/12                        
23        DIAMOND DISC 7/8 S/S         200                        
24        DITTO BURS INVERTED CONE F.GNO. 1,2,3 ( 1000 EA.SIZE 
)        3000                        
25        CARBORANUM DISCS 7/8 S/S BOX / 
100        100                        
26        VULCANITE BUR ST.ST.FOR LABORATORY H.P. 
        15000                        
27        FIG 72/060/070        100                        
28        FIG 73/050-060-070        100                        
29                75/060-070        100                        
30                351-060-070        100                        
31                82-060-070        100                        
32                 87-060-070        100                        
33               77-060-070        100                        
34        ACID ETCHING LIQU .15ML        100                        
35        ACID ETCHING CEL.4 GR        100                        
36        ADHESOR ( ZINC PHOSPHATE CEMENT )NORMAL TYPE 
SHADE 1,2,80 GR P+55GR LIQU        4 000                        
37        TRICRESOL FORMALINE        500                        
38        CERIN ( BLUE WAX ) 15 LANCER 30 G        400                        
39        LIGHT CURE COMPOSITE UNIVERSAL 3GR 
SYRING        200                        





40        CONSUMEBLES                                
1        HOT WATER BOTTLE 2 LIT        1500                        
2        HOT WQTER BOTTLE 2.5 LITER        1500                        
3        RUBBER ESMARCH BAND 6 CM        100                        
4        RUBBER ESMARCH BAND 8 CM        200                        
5        RUBBER ESMARCH BAND 10 CM        200                        
6        FISTULA NEEDLE 16 G        500                        
7        PLASTIC RECTA TUBE .25        200                        
8        PLASTIC RECTA TUBE .28        200                        
9        PLASTIC RECTA  TUBE .30        200                        
10        PLASTIC RECTA UBE .32        200                        
11        ICEBAG RUBBER OVAL        1000                        
12        BLOODGIVING SET W/NEEDLE        5000                        
13        636-20 TRRACIC TROCAR DRAING        100                        
14        636-28 THRACI TROAR DRAING         200                        
15        PERMENENT PLASTIC  CLOSTOMY BAGS SIZE 57 ( PAKT 
OF 30 )        500                        
16        SANGEST AKEN TUBE 18        100                        
17        SANGESTAKEN TUBE 21        100                        
18        PLASTIC OXYGEN MASK ADULT        500                        
19        RUBBER NASAL ENDO TUBE 3        250                        
20        RUBBER NASAL ENDO TUBE 3.5        250                        
21        RUBBER NASAL ENDO TUBE 4        250                        
22        RUBBER ORAL ENDO TUBE .3        250                        
23        RUBBER ORAL ENDO TUBE 3.5        250                        
24        RUBBER ORAL ENDO TUBE 4        250                        
25        DISPOSABLE SYRING W/NEEDLE 20CC        2000                        
26        DISPOSABLE SYRING W/NEEDLE 50 
CC        1000                        
27        AUTOCLABLE ROOLS FOR INDICATING 
STERILIZITION        500                        


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Download NeoPlanet! --X-X-X-X-X-X--NeoPlanet-MIME-TEXTandHTML--X-X-X-X-X-X-X7759642-X-X-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 20 5:50:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CBCC14D1D; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 05:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from hoek@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA96438; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 05:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 05:50:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199906201250.FAA96438@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jim_early@FreeBSD.ORG, hoek@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/10135: Change to Documention Regarding Upgrades Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Change to Documention Regarding Upgrades State-Changed-From-To: analyzed->closed State-Changed-By: hoek State-Changed-When: Sun Jun 20 05:49:41 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: "make upgrade" is for aout-to-elf switch. "make world" is the correct command for general upgrades. world will (should) warn you if you need to do a "make upgrade" explicitly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 20 12:48: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2630614E50 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 12:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.2) id UAA85931; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:44:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:44:47 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Spidey Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems making the handbook in stable Message-ID: <19990620204446.A85343@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <199906152359.AAA10668@lonmailhost.lehman.com> <19990616104716.U15628@lehman.com> <14183.47288.83543.419499@freed.dyn.ez-ip.net> <19990616191359.B14519@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <14184.26980.72039.621126@freed.dyn.ez-ip.net> <19990617195200.B26011@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <14185.30099.185492.37652@freed.dyn.ez-ip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <14185.30099.185492.37652@freed.dyn.ez-ip.net>; from Spidey on Thu, Jun 17, 1999 at 06:24:19PM -0400 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 17, 1999 at 06:24:19PM -0400, Spidey wrote: > > Which version of the dsssl stylesheets are you using? I've got > > v1.40 installed here, which generates ~ 120 .html files from the > > Handbook. > > Hum.. How do I know??? Look at the information for the dsssl-docbook-modular port that will have been installed. The simplest way is probably ls /var/db/pkg/dsssl* and look at the version number in the directory. > > Out of interest (and to save you time) try doing > > > > % cd doc/en/tutorials/docproj-primer > > % make DOC_PREFIX=../../.. > > > > and see what happens then. The Primer is much shorter, so will build > > much faster. Right, well that looks like it's doing the right thing for the primer. Hmm. > > As expected. "FORMATS=html" is the "everything in one big file" setting, > > "FORMATS=html-split" is with things split into multiple files. > > Yes, but: > > root@freed [06:23pm] doc# make DOC_LANG=en FORMATS=html-split > ===> FAQ > sgmlfmt -f html-split -links /usr/doc/FAQ/FAQ.sgml > "html-split" is an unknown output format. > Usage: > sgmlfmt [-d ] -f [-i ...] [-links] > [-e encoding] [-hdr file] [-ftr file] file > where is one of: linuxdoc (default), docbook. > and is one of: ascii, html, koi8-r, latin1, ps, roff > *** Error code 1 This is 'cos the FAQ isn't in DocBook. When it is, it won't be a problem. N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 20 13: 1:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3433A14DEE; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:01:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from billf@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA90598; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:01:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:01:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199906202001.NAA90598@freefall.freebsd.org> To: robert+freebsd@fledge.watson.org, billf@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, billf@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/11615: Handbook: linux emulation documentation obsoleted Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Handbook: linux emulation documentation obsoleted State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: billf State-Changed-When: Sun Jun 20 13:00:56 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Chris Costello reports he is working on a patch for this page. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->billf Responsible-Changed-By: billf Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jun 20 13:00:56 PDT 1999 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will commit this patch whenever Chris makes it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 20 18:16:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from public.shanghai.cngb.com (public.shanghai.cngb.com [203.93.56.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F225814DFD for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ywm@sript.com.cn) Received: from public.sript.com.cn ([210.78.23.243]) by public.shanghai.cngb.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA17619 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:17:16 +0900 (CDT) Received: from ÑîΪÃñ (ÑîΪÃñ [10.145.3.125]) by public.sript.com.cn (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id pa002485 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:17:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000201bebb83$a6637b80$7d03910a@host.sriptnet> From: "yangweimin" To: Subject: Requiry Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 16:20:47 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEB8DD.5B9C3680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEB8DD.5B9C3680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sir, I've tried many times to intall freebsd through "DOS partion", but it give me the information "Can't find bin, game, ports...". How can I config the option? Sincerely=20 huining zhang ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEB8DD.5B9C3680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sir,
I've tried many times to = intall freebsd=20 through "DOS partion", but
it give me the information = "Can't=20 find bin, game, ports...".
How can I config the=20 option?
Sincerely
huining=20 zhang
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BEB8DD.5B9C3680-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 20 18:24:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from public.shanghai.cngb.com (public.shanghai.cngb.com [203.93.56.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05DF15170 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:24:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ywm@sript.com.cn) Received: from public.sript.com.cn ([210.78.23.243]) by public.shanghai.cngb.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA17935 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:25:17 +0900 (CDT) Received: from ÑîΪÃñ (ÑîΪÃñ [10.145.3.125]) by public.sript.com.cn (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id qa002486 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:25:34 +0000 Message-ID: <00aa01bebb84$c4623440$7d03910a@host.sriptnet> From: "yangweimin" To: Subject: Requiry Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:24:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01BEBBC7.CF93AB80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01BEBBC7.CF93AB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sir, I've tried many times to intall freebsd through "DOS partion", but it give me the information "Can't find bin, game, ports...". How can I config the option? How can I install the FreeBSD in the logical partion E? Sincerely=20 huining zhang ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01BEBBC7.CF93AB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sir,
I've tried many times to = intall freebsd=20 through "DOS partion", but
it give me the information = "Can't=20 find bin, game, ports...".
How can I config the=20 option?
How can I install the FreeBSD in the logical partion E?
Sincerely
huining=20 zhang
------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01BEBBC7.CF93AB80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 21 2:10: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD44D14E83 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA67615; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.ghostgbtb.com (modem1.tekrab.net [208.30.20.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064C514E1D for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:09:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrami@gbtb.com) Received: from localhost (mrami@localhost) by server.ghostgbtb.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id FAA38706 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:09:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mrami@gbtb.com) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:09:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Ramirez To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: docs/12322: manpage nits Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 12322 >Category: docs >Synopsis: backslashes not appearing in some ctype manpages >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jun 21 02:10:02 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Marc Ramirez >Release: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Great Big Throbbing Brains >Environment: stock system >Description: backslashes not appearing in ASCII listings in isgraph(3) and isprint(3) manpages >How-To-Repeat: man 3 isgraph man 3 isprint >Fix: *** isgraph.3.old Mon Jun 21 00:16:09 1999 --- isgraph.3 Mon Jun 21 00:28:40 1999 *************** *** 63,69 **** .It \&111\ ``I'' \t112\ ``J'' \t113\ ``K'' \t114\ ``L'' \t115\ ``M'' .It \&116\ ``N'' \t117\ ``O'' \t120\ ``P'' \t121\ ``Q'' \t122\ ``R'' .It \&123\ ``S'' \t124\ ``T'' \t125\ ``U'' \t126\ ``V'' \t127\ ``W'' ! .It \&130\ ``X'' \t131\ ``Y'' \t132\ ``Z'' \t133\ ``['' \t134\ ``\'' .It \&135\ ``]'' \t136\ ``^'' \t137\ ``_'' \t140\ ```'' \t141\ ``a'' .It \&142\ ``b'' \t143\ ``c'' \t144\ ``d'' \t145\ ``e'' \t146\ ``f'' .It \&147\ ``g'' \t150\ ``h'' \t151\ ``i'' \t152\ ``j'' \t153\ ``k'' --- 63,69 ---- .It \&111\ ``I'' \t112\ ``J'' \t113\ ``K'' \t114\ ``L'' \t115\ ``M'' .It \&116\ ``N'' \t117\ ``O'' \t120\ ``P'' \t121\ ``Q'' \t122\ ``R'' .It \&123\ ``S'' \t124\ ``T'' \t125\ ``U'' \t126\ ``V'' \t127\ ``W'' ! .It \&130\ ``X'' \t131\ ``Y'' \t132\ ``Z'' \t133\ ``['' \t134\ ``\e\|'' .It \&135\ ``]'' \t136\ ``^'' \t137\ ``_'' \t140\ ```'' \t141\ ``a'' .It \&142\ ``b'' \t143\ ``c'' \t144\ ``d'' \t145\ ``e'' \t146\ ``f'' .It \&147\ ``g'' \t150\ ``h'' \t151\ ``i'' \t152\ ``j'' \t153\ ``k'' *** isprint.3.old Mon Jun 21 00:26:32 1999 --- isprint.3 Mon Jun 21 00:28:41 1999 *************** *** 64,70 **** .It \&115\ ``M'' \t116\ ``N'' \t117\ ``O'' \t120\ ``P'' \t121\ ``Q'' .It \&122\ ``R'' \t123\ ``S'' \t124\ ``T'' \t125\ ``U'' \t126\ ``V'' .It \&127\ ``W'' \t130\ ``X'' \t131\ ``Y'' \t132\ ``Z'' \t133\ ``['' ! .It \&134\ ``\'' \t135\ ``]'' \t136\ ``^'' \t137\ ``_'' \t140\ ```'' .It \&141\ ``a'' \t142\ ``b'' \t143\ ``c'' \t144\ ``d'' \t145\ ``e'' .It \&146\ ``f'' \t147\ ``g'' \t150\ ``h'' \t151\ ``i'' \t152\ ``j'' .It \&153\ ``k'' \t154\ ``l'' \t155\ ``m'' \t156\ ``n'' \t157\ ``o'' --- 64,70 ---- .It \&115\ ``M'' \t116\ ``N'' \t117\ ``O'' \t120\ ``P'' \t121\ ``Q'' .It \&122\ ``R'' \t123\ ``S'' \t124\ ``T'' \t125\ ``U'' \t126\ ``V'' .It \&127\ ``W'' \t130\ ``X'' \t131\ ``Y'' \t132\ ``Z'' \t133\ ``['' ! .It \&134\ ``\e\|'' \t135\ ``]'' \t136\ ``^'' \t137\ ``_'' \t140\ ```'' .It \&141\ ``a'' \t142\ ``b'' \t143\ ``c'' \t144\ ``d'' \t145\ ``e'' .It \&146\ ``f'' \t147\ ``g'' \t150\ ``h'' \t151\ ``i'' \t152\ ``j'' .It \&153\ ``k'' \t154\ ``l'' \t155\ ``m'' \t156\ ``n'' \t157\ ``o'' >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 21 2:44:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5040714C13; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:44:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA71158; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:44:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:44:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199906210944.CAA71158@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mrami@gbtb.com, jkoshy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/12322: backslashes not appearing in some ctype manpages Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: backslashes not appearing in some ctype manpages State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jkoshy State-Changed-When: Mon Jun 21 02:42:50 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Patch applied, thanks! rev 1.4 "src/lib/libc/locale/isprint.3" rev 1.4 "src/lib/libc/locale/isgraph.3" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 21 10:25:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EFD1508A; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from sheldonh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA86859; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199906211725.KAA86859@freefall.freebsd.org> To: malartre@aei.ca, sheldonh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/10017: Added a site and bug fix Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Added a site and bug fix State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: sheldonh State-Changed-When: Mon Jun 21 10:24:04 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Submitter forgot to attach his diff and his e-mail address is invalid. :-( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 21 10:30: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76127151F0 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:30:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA87328; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:30:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906211730.KAA87328@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: docs/10017: html diff for http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html Reply-To: Sheldon Hearn Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/10017; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Sheldon Hearn To: malartre@aei.ca Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/10017: html diff for http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:22:40 +0200 > :r /usr/home/cam/www/stage/newbies.html.diff Could you actually include the diff so we can take a look at it? ;-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 21 11: 0:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110E815252 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:00:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA90325 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906211800.LAA90325@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [1999/06/12] docs/12181 doc [Patch] doc/en/handbook/kernelconfig/chap 1 problem total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [1998/04/14] docs/6295 doc Reference to nonexistent file in Device D o [1998/04/15] docs/6307 doc sgmlfmt not `make -jN' ready a [1998/07/31] docs/7456 doc dialog(3) man page outdated a [1998/08/31] docs/7791 doc ipf(1) and ipfstat(1) should have been ip o [1998/09/13] docs/7914 doc no elf(5) manpage o [1998/10/25] docs/8445 doc Update of "Installing Mathematica on Free o [1999/02/11] docs/10038 doc Added a site and bug fix (part two) o [1999/02/14] docs/10084 doc new FreeBSD user group in Yogyakarta City o [1999/02/14] docs/10085 doc NIS Setup Tutorial o [1999/02/14] docs/10098 doc Lack of overall guide for NIS setup o [1999/02/21] docs/10180 doc Another mirror site not listed... o [1999/02/21] docs/10182 doc http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?p o [1999/02/25] docs/10240 doc We need a script which check if our web m o [1999/03/01] docs/10331 doc pccardd(8) claims FreeBSD does not suppor o [1999/03/07] docs/10472 doc Mailing list for discussion of Xircom dri o [1999/03/08] docs/10488 doc Error in entry for 02/27 in calendar.hist o [1999/03/09] docs/10512 doc ENOBUFS returnable from writev(2) but not o [1999/03/18] docs/10660 doc User Group not listed o [1999/03/18] docs/10664 doc Notes on 2.2.8 -> 3.1 migration o [1999/03/23] docs/10762 doc geocrawler.com mailing list archives o [1999/03/29] docs/10850 doc submitting a documentation change for sed o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/04/11] docs/11087 doc Portland FreeBSD users group o [1999/04/11] docs/11089 doc freebsd user group, sydney o [1999/04/11] docs/11090 doc User's group in Melbourne Australia o [1999/04/21] docs/11258 doc suggestion to refine npx.4 o [1999/05/09] docs/11607 doc RLIMIT_MEMLOCK not implemented o [1999/05/11] docs/11643 doc handbook should state alternatives o [1999/06/01] docs/11978 doc timed(8) manpage does not define '-F' swi o [1999/06/04] docs/12021 doc support.sgml Sydney UG update o [1999/06/07] docs/12075 doc [PATCH] Ports Changes Page Does not List o [1999/06/10] docs/12128 doc Cosmetics changes in eresoureses.sgml o [1999/06/11] docs/12132 doc Invalid URL at http://www.freebsd.org/int o [1999/06/11] docs/12148 doc On a sample in the printing section of Th o [1999/06/15] docs/12220 doc No manual page on system command "getkern o [1999/06/18] docs/12284 doc [PATCH] Handbook doesn't mention default o [1999/06/19] docs/12302 doc Clarification of the static_routes variab 37 problems total. 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"A1[@; @P>n AV; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA23082; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from dippy.cyberwar.com (dippy.cyberwar.com [206.88.128.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433571520D for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:21:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjgrun@dippy.cyberwar.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by dippy.cyberwar.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA70993; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:20:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wjgrun) Message-Id: <199906221520.LAA70993@dippy.cyberwar.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:20:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Grunfelder Reply-To: wjgrun@dippy.cyberwar.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/12343: make.conf documentation error COM2 (low priority) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 12343 >Category: docs >Synopsis: make.conf error in documentation (COM2) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jun 22 08:30:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bill Grunfelder >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: relevant lines from /etc/make.conf shown below: # By default we use COM1 as our serial console port *if* we're going to use # a serial port as our console at all. (0x3E8 = COM2) # #BOOT_COMCONSOLE_PORT= 0x3F8 >Description: 0x3E8 is not COM2 ... 0x2F8 >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: s/0x3E8/0x2F8 >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 22 8:50: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C5715042 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA24677; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from whisky.wu-wien.ac.at (whisky.wu-wien.ac.at [137.208.16.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789FC14C45 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:44:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gonter@whisky.wu-wien.ac.at) Received: (from gonter@localhost) by whisky.wu-wien.ac.at (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA10217; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:59:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gonter) Message-Id: <199906221459.QAA10217@whisky.wu-wien.ac.at> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:59:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Gerhard Gonter Reply-To: gonter@whisky.wu-wien.ac.at To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/12344: ntpdate flags, usage statement, man page are slightly different Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 12344 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ntpdate flags, usage statement, man page are slightly different >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jun 22 08:50:00 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Gerhard Gonter >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386 >Organization: WU-Wien >Environment: FreeBSD source as of 1999-06-22 >Description: The flags of the ntpdate command are not all described in man 8 ntpdate, the usage statement also does not show the same flags. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Two files (ntpdate/ntpdate.c, doc/ntpdate.8) in /usr/src/usr.sbin/xntpd should be modified to show the same flags. Here are the diff's: *** ntpdate/ntpdate.c 1999/06/22 14:05:33 1.1 --- ntpdate/ntpdate.c 1999/06/22 14:34:07 *************** *** 252,256 **** if (errflg || sys_maxservers == 0) { (void) fprintf(stderr, ! "usage: %s [-bqs] [-a key#] [-k file] [-p samples] [-t timeo] server ...\n", progname); exit(2); --- 252,256 ---- if (errflg || sys_maxservers == 0) { (void) fprintf(stderr, ! "usage: %s [-bdqsv] [-o version] [-a key#] [-e authdelay] [-k keyfile] [-p samples] [-t timeout] server ...\n", progname); exit(2); *** doc/ntpdate.8 1999/06/22 14:31:56 1.1 --- doc/ntpdate.8 1999/06/22 14:33:00 *************** *** 10,14 **** .Sh SYNOPSIS .Nm ! .Op Fl bds .Op Fl o Ar version .Op Fl a Ar key# --- 10,14 ---- .Sh SYNOPSIS .Nm ! .Op Fl bdqsv .Op Fl o Ar version .Op Fl a Ar key# *************** *** 76,80 **** .Nm will do without it actually doing it. Information useful for general ! debugging will also be printed. By default .Nm claims to be an NTP version 3 implementation in its outgoing packets. As --- 76,85 ---- .Nm will do without it actually doing it. Information useful for general ! debugging will also be printed. The ! .Fl q ! flag is used to perform a simple query without binding a priviledged ! UPD port. The ! .Fl v ! enables a few diagnostic messages. By default .Nm claims to be an NTP version 3 implementation in its outgoing packets. As >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 22 12:26:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from leap.innerx.net (leap.innerx.net [38.179.176.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC2014DF0; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:26:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (ip155.houston3.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.169.155]) by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4B33707B; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28766; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:26:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:26:47 -0500 From: Chris Costello To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 new mailing lists: policy and ipfw Message-ID: <19990622142647.F26753@holly.dyndns.org> Reply-To: chris@calldei.com References: <19990622185527.A4BCB15346@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: <19990622185527.A4BCB15346@hub.freebsd.org>; from Jonathan M. Bresler on Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 11:55:27AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 22, 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > Two new mailing lists are available: freebsd-policy and freebsd-ipfw. > > FREEBSD-POLICY FreeBSD Core Team Policy Decisions > This is the mailing list for FreeBSD Core Team Policy Decisions. > This is a low volume list. This list is "read only". > > > FREEBSD-IPFW Ipfw Technical discussions > This is a forum for technical discussions concering the redesign > of the IP firewall code in FreeBSD. It is for individuals actively > working on this part of FreeBSD, to bring up problems or discuss > alternative solutions. Individuals interested in following the > technical discussion are also welcome. Has anyone already added these to the handbook (or are they working on it)? If not, I will do it. -- Chris Costello Disc space, the final frontier! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 22 20:50: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3BF14BDE for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id UAA93013; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906230350.UAA93013@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Crist J. Clark" Subject: Re: docs/12343: make.conf documentation error COM2 (low priority) Reply-To: "Crist J. Clark" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/12343; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Crist J. Clark" To: wjgrun@dippy.cyberwar.com Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/12343: make.conf documentation error COM2 (low priority) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Bill Grunfelder wrote, > > >Number: 12343 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: make.conf error in documentation (COM2) > >Confidential: no > >Severity: non-critical > >Priority: low > >Responsible: freebsd-doc > >State: open > >Quarter: > >Keywords: > >Date-Required: > >Class: doc-bug > >Submitter-Id: current-users > >Arrival-Date: Tue Jun 22 08:30:01 PDT 1999 > >Closed-Date: > >Last-Modified: > >Originator: Bill Grunfelder > >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 > >Organization: > >Environment: > > relevant lines from /etc/make.conf shown below: > # By default we use COM1 as our serial console port *if* we're going to use > # a serial port as our console at all. (0x3E8 = COM2) > # > #BOOT_COMCONSOLE_PORT= 0x3F8 > > >Description: > > 0x3E8 is not COM2 ... 0x2F8 COM1 = sio0 = 0x3f8 COM2 = sio1 = 0x2f8 COM3 = sio2 = 0x3e8 I believe make.conf is correct. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 22 21:35: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hama.etri.re.kr (hama.etri.re.kr [129.254.187.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C6A914BB8 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from booker59@youpy.com) Received: from 129.254.187.60 by hama.etri.re.kr (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA24098; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:09:08 +0900 From: booker59@youpy.com Date: Sat, 05 Jan 80 02:15:12 EST To: daryl@mindspring.com Subject: Wcollect News Release Message-ID: <48835011521343818@quikak.verus.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org StockNetworking News SNN If you are not a subscriber and received this issue of SNN in error please see how to unsubscribe below. We are enclosing the latest WCollect.com (WCLT) News Release. June 22,1999 Company Press Release WCollect becoming E-commerce force BEVERLY HILLS, Calif.--June 22, 1999--WCollect.com (OTCBB: WCLT) WCollect is establishing itself as the leading online provider in the e-commerce sector. "The company itself has made huge strides in a very short period of time." Said D. Bruce Robb formally of Midland Walwyn now Merrill Lynch. "When one considers the company has been in existence for little more than 4 months and has closed marketing and business agreements with companies and organizations such as; King World, Just Systems, and an institution the size and breadth of The National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences (NARAS), Inc., is just overwhelming", he said. WCollect has had one take over offer, which the company turned down. "Given the growing number of joint ventures and other business opportunities that continue to come to the company, we (the board of directors) didn't think that the offer was in line with the growth we are experiencing." said Stewart Irvine President and CEO. "We have no doubt that other offers will arrive as we continue to grow our data base from a customer list of mid to high end consumers. In some circles we are referred to as the Robb Report of the Auction and Gallery Sites, however the impressive aspect of our business strategy is the high margin revenue model." Similar to EBAY (NASDAQ: EBAY) in the fact that the company carries no inventory, and like Amazon (NASDAQ: AMZN) where there are also fixed price items with substantially higher margins and a strong business to consumer sales focus. The WCollect business model is proven and what is unique is that they have taken the best of two worlds and combined them with a Guarantee of authenticity. WCollect which deals exclusively in the online sale of fine art, entertainment collectibles, and sports memorabilia went public in mid February 1999, and has made other considerable inroads into the growing Internet-based auction and E-commerce business, including: · generating an average of 50% revenue from sales via its Gallery Shop where consumers can purchase authenticated items at a fixed cost at lower than retail prices. · building a secure Web site of significant proportions that offers direct access to the $50 billion annual market of collectibles through strategic partnerships in the fields of fine art, authenticated celebrity and sports memorabilia. · prominent cross-promotion on internationally syndicated television programs, including King World's "The Roseanne Show" and the 1999 Grammy Awards. · establishing The World Collectors Guild, a non-profit organization designed as an online community where the millions of collectors will exchange ideas and can add authenticated rare and one of a kind items to their collections. · WCollect.com, is now less than 30 days from introduction of the carrier class site which will merchandize the initial 20% of the current one million items in its virtual directory. WCollect.com has positioned itself to become the world's largest most trusted art and collectibles Gallery and Auction Company. This will position WCollect to be on pare with Ebay for value of content online and Amazon.com for the number of items offered online. WCollect is publicly traded under the symbol WCLT (OTC BB) Contact: Arne Carlson, Investor Relations 1.877.608.1611 How to Unsubscribe from SNN If you wish to unsubscribe to SNN please send an e-mail with the word 'remove' in the subject line and again please make sure the address is the original address this letter was sent to and send it to: Proper878@n2mail.com For a current stock quote, past News Releases and Updates please go to: http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=wclt&d=v2 Disclaimer - SNN or its owners may have a position in and/or be paid a fee by any of the companies it mentions. SNN is NOT a registered investment advisor. 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SNN copyright SNN 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 22 22:29:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFAC15474 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:29:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id BAA22529; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:30:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199906230530.BAA22529@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: docs/12343: make.conf documentation error COM2 (low priority) In-Reply-To: <199906230350.UAA93013@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Crist J. Clark" at "Jun 22, 99 08:50:02 pm" To: cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Crist J. Clark wrote, > The following reply was made to PR docs/12343; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: "Crist J. Clark" > To: wjgrun@dippy.cyberwar.com > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: docs/12343: make.conf documentation error COM2 (low priority) > Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:49:38 -0400 (EDT) > > Bill Grunfelder wrote, > > > > >Number: 12343 > > >Category: docs > > >Synopsis: make.conf error in documentation (COM2) > > >Confidential: no > > >Severity: non-critical > > >Priority: low > > >Responsible: freebsd-doc > > >State: open > > >Quarter: > > >Keywords: > > >Date-Required: > > >Class: doc-bug > > >Submitter-Id: current-users > > >Arrival-Date: Tue Jun 22 08:30:01 PDT 1999 > > >Closed-Date: > > >Last-Modified: > > >Originator: Bill Grunfelder > > >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 > > >Organization: > > >Environment: > > > > relevant lines from /etc/make.conf shown below: > > # By default we use COM1 as our serial console port *if* we're going to use > > # a serial port as our console at all. (0x3E8 = COM2) > > # > > #BOOT_COMCONSOLE_PORT= 0x3F8 > > > > >Description: > > > > 0x3E8 is not COM2 ... 0x2F8 > > COM1 = sio0 = 0x3f8 > COM2 = sio1 = 0x2f8 > COM3 = sio2 = 0x3e8 > > I believe make.conf is correct. Ignore that. Sorry, I meant to say that the '0x3e8' might be correct if the author original author actually meant sio2 and not COM2. However, it is unlikely that that is what he meant. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 22 23:15:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rio.cos.ufrj.br (rio.cos.ufrj.br [146.164.34.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F9B150D1 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:15:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from booker59@youpy.com) Received: from 146.164.34.1 (provo-42.celestar.com [207.201.65.73]) by rio.cos.ufrj.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA18014; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:15:01 -0300 (EST) From: booker59@youpy.com Date: Sat, 05 Jan 80 02:37:03 EST To: daryl@mindspring.com Subject: Wcollect News Release Message-ID: <48835011521343818@quikak.verus.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org StockNetworking News SNN If you are not a subscriber and received this issue of SNN in error please see how to unsubscribe below. We are enclosing the latest WCollect.com (WCLT) News Release. June 22,1999 Company Press Release WCollect becoming E-commerce force BEVERLY HILLS, Calif.--June 22, 1999--WCollect.com (OTCBB: WCLT) WCollect is establishing itself as the leading online provider in the e-commerce sector. "The company itself has made huge strides in a very short period of time." Said D. Bruce Robb formally of Midland Walwyn now Merrill Lynch. "When one considers the company has been in existence for little more than 4 months and has closed marketing and business agreements with companies and organizations such as; King World, Just Systems, and an institution the size and breadth of The National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences (NARAS), Inc., is just overwhelming", he said. WCollect has had one take over offer, which the company turned down. "Given the growing number of joint ventures and other business opportunities that continue to come to the company, we (the board of directors) didn't think that the offer was in line with the growth we are experiencing." said Stewart Irvine President and CEO. "We have no doubt that other offers will arrive as we continue to grow our data base from a customer list of mid to high end consumers. In some circles we are referred to as the Robb Report of the Auction and Gallery Sites, however the impressive aspect of our business strategy is the high margin revenue model." Similar to EBAY (NASDAQ: EBAY) in the fact that the company carries no inventory, and like Amazon (NASDAQ: AMZN) where there are also fixed price items with substantially higher margins and a strong business to consumer sales focus. The WCollect business model is proven and what is unique is that they have taken the best of two worlds and combined them with a Guarantee of authenticity. WCollect which deals exclusively in the online sale of fine art, entertainment collectibles, and sports memorabilia went public in mid February 1999, and has made other considerable inroads into the growing Internet-based auction and E-commerce business, including: · generating an average of 50% revenue from sales via its Gallery Shop where consumers can purchase authenticated items at a fixed cost at lower than retail prices. · building a secure Web site of significant proportions that offers direct access to the $50 billion annual market of collectibles through strategic partnerships in the fields of fine art, authenticated celebrity and sports memorabilia. · prominent cross-promotion on internationally syndicated television programs, including King World's "The Roseanne Show" and the 1999 Grammy Awards. · establishing The World Collectors Guild, a non-profit organization designed as an online community where the millions of collectors will exchange ideas and can add authenticated rare and one of a kind items to their collections. · WCollect.com, is now less than 30 days from introduction of the carrier class site which will merchandize the initial 20% of the current one million items in its virtual directory. WCollect.com has positioned itself to become the world's largest most trusted art and collectibles Gallery and Auction Company. This will position WCollect to be on par with Ebay for value of content online and Amazon.com for the number of items offered online. WCollect is publicly traded under the symbol WCLT (OTC BB) Contact: Arne Carlson, Investor Relations 1.877.608.1611 How to Unsubscribe from SNN If you wish to unsubscribe to SNN please send an e-mail with the word 'remove' in the subject line and again please make sure the address is the original address this letter was sent to and send it to: Proper878@n2mail.com For a current stock quote, past News Releases and Updates please go to: http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=wclt&d=v2 Disclaimer - SNN or its owners may have a position in and/or be paid a fee by any of the companies it mentions. SNN is NOT a registered investment advisor. 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SNN copyright SNN 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 0: 6:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mh.xz.col.com.cn (unknown [202.102.50.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EABC14C94 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:06:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kqwang@xz.col.com.cn) Received: from www3.xz.col.com.cn by mh.xz.col.com.cn with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id M5LNM0VN; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:12:58 +0800 Message-ID: <000101bebd47$31691310$c73266ca@www3.xz.col.com.cn> From: "Wang Kequn" To: Subject: Wher to download freebsd? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:08:26 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear sir: where can i download freebsd? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 1: 0: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EF614F48 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA15893; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A544314D01 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:51:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA14859; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:51:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <199906230751.AAA14859@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:51:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Reply-To: wosch@FreeBSD.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/12359: mailto tag for listname@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 12359 >Category: docs >Synopsis: mailto tag for listname@FreeBSD.ORG >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jun 23 01:00:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Wolfram Schneider >Release: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: At http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL there is a clickable link 'listname@FreeBSD.ORG' I'm sure the email address listname does not exists on hub.freebsd.org >Description: >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 2:10: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D7C14E2F for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA22749; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from rins.st.ryukoku.ac.jp (rins.st.ryukoku.ac.jp [133.83.4.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FFC14D6E for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 02:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kjm@ideon.st.ryukoku.ac.jp) Received: from ideon.st.ryukoku.ac.jp (ideon.st.ryukoku.ac.jp [133.83.36.5]) by rins.st.ryukoku.ac.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.6W/RINS-1.9.5.1-NOSPAM) with ESMTP id SAA24749 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:00:56 +0900 (JST) Received: (from kjm@localhost) by ideon.st.ryukoku.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W/kjm-19990622) id SAA24109; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:00:56 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199906230900.SAA24109@ideon.st.ryukoku.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:00:56 +0900 (JST) From: kjm@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (KOJIMA Hajime) To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/12360: telnet(1) man-page doesn't describe skey telnet command. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 12360 >Category: docs >Synopsis: telnet(1) man-page doesn't describe skey telnet command. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jun 23 02:10:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: KOJIMA Hajime >Release: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Ryukoku University >Environment: Motherboard: ASUS P2B-F CPU: Celellon 466MHz Memory: 128MB Disk: 22GB IDE >Description: telnet(1) manual page doesn't describe about "skey" telnet command. >How-To-Repeat: % man telnet or % grep skey /usr/src/usr.bin/telnet/telnet.1 >Fix: --- telnet.1.dist Wed Jun 23 17:14:18 1999 +++ telnet.1 Wed Jun 23 17:24:09 1999 @@ -1019,6 +1019,10 @@ .Pq Ic unset commands. .El +.It Ic skey Ar sequence challenge +The +.Ic skey +command computes a response to the S/Key challenge. .It Ic slc Ar state The .Ic slc >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 3:42: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41AA14FD2; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:42:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA11470; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 05:41:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca4-28.ix.netcom.com(205.186.212.156) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011467; Wed Jun 23 05:41:33 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id DAA51528; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906231041.DAA51528@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Cc: doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, doc-jp@jp.freebsd.org, cvs@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199906181152.EAA24735@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> (asami@freebsd.org) Subject: Re: FDP Directory Reorganisation From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) References: <19990513211458.B70767@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <19990603195027.A31941@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <37593369.10E2888D@sky.rim.or.jp> <19990607233227.A34938@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906162246.PAA02177@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990617194856.A26011@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906172252.PAA11221@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> <199906181152.EAA24735@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, we now have a conclusion. The Japanese documentation team unanimously requests Japanese docs to remain under the "ja" directory. Here are the reasonings: (1) To consistently change the installation directory from "ja" to something else requires a lot of work. For instance, there are a few dozen ports that now install manpages in "${PREFIX}/man/ja". (Note that it is not only a matter of changing the ports now -- there are manpages and documents already installed in the ja subdirectories on users' systems.) It is not clear whether the change is worth the effort. Also, there is a concern whether this move will be the last one of this kind (see below). (2) "ja_JP.EUC" is particularly not suitable as a locale, because: 1. "EUC" is merely an encoding scheme, and does not designate a particular codeset. Of course, if you restrict yourself inside Japan, it is very unlikely that ja_JP.EUC means anything other than EUC-JP. However, that doesn't apply to other countries, and furthermore it is not correct to interpret the "EUC" part based on what ("ja_JP") comes in front. While the ja name doesn't designate the codeset either, at least it doesn't pretend it does -- but ja_JP.EUC gives the user the false impression that it is a correct full spec. 2. In other UNIX-like systems, ja_JP.eucJP seems to be the majority choice. X11R6 and later also use ja_JP.eucJP as the canonical name. ja_JP.eucJP does designate the codeset so therefore is much better than ja_JP.EUC. Moving docs to ja_JP.eucJP might be acceptable, but to change them to ja_JP.EUC is totally bogus. (BTW, some Linux systems use ja_JP.ujis or ja_JP.EUC-JP -- the latter might be a better choice for us than ja_JP.eucJP.) (3) Considering (2) above, it is very likely we will have to change the official Japanese locale name for EUC-JP to ja_JP.eucJP (or ja_JP.EUC-JP) soon on FreeBSD. Even if we are going to copy the Japanese docs, we should make sure to synchronize it with that effort. 1. There are people in Japan working on changing the locale name as well as improving the implementation. It is going to take about another half year for that to finish, so it might be a good idea to specify a cut-off date and suspend this discussion until then. 2. We agree that directory names should match those of locale names since language of manpages should be selected with LC_MESSAGE. However, this is not an issue of utmost emergency, and we shouldn't try to adjust it to match the current name which is unsuitable as a locale (ja_JP.EUC). (4) There is at least one other major system (Solaris) that uses ja as an official synonym for ja_JP.eucJP. If having documentation directory names match an official locale name is important, that is another solution. (There are several symlinks in /usr/share/locale to provide aliases so this is not a new concept.) Some people believe in having a default category and encoding for a language and using the full spec only when there is an exception. (5) Therefore, we would like to leave doc/ja as doc/ja for now. Even if we move them, it should be to ja_JP.eucJP, not ja_JP.EUC, and we should make sure it is synchronized with the locale name change. The convenience of people using them should be considered first when thinking about directory names for locales. By the way, we do not have any opinions on what to do with directories for other locales. Thanks, Satoshi (and the Japanese doc team) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 5:50: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B03E15041 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 05:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA42765; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 05:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 05:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906231250.FAA42765@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Bill Grunfelder Subject: Re: docs/12343: make.conf documentation error COM2 (low priority) Reply-To: Bill Grunfelder Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/12343; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Bill Grunfelder To: cjclark@home.com Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/12343: make.conf documentation error COM2 (low priority) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:02 -0400 This is the line I am questioning: # a serial port as our console at all. (0x3E8 = COM2) it says that COM2 is 0x3E8 -- which is wrong. Bill At 11:49 PM 6/22/99 -0400, you wrote: > > >Number: 12343 > > >Category: docs > > >Synopsis: make.conf error in documentation (COM2) > > >Confidential: no > > >Severity: non-critical > > >Priority: low > > >Responsible: freebsd-doc > > >State: open > > >Quarter: > > >Keywords: > > >Date-Required: > > >Class: doc-bug > > >Submitter-Id: current-users > > >Arrival-Date: Tue Jun 22 08:30:01 PDT 1999 > > >Closed-Date: > > >Last-Modified: > > >Originator: Bill Grunfelder > > >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 > > >Organization: > > >Environment: > > > > relevant lines from /etc/make.conf shown below: > > # By default we use COM1 as our serial console port *if* we're going to use > > # a serial port as our console at all. (0x3E8 = COM2) > > # > > #BOOT_COMCONSOLE_PORT= 0x3F8 > > > > >Description: > > > > 0x3E8 is not COM2 ... 0x2F8 > >COM1 = sio0 = 0x3f8 >COM2 = sio1 = 0x2f8 >COM3 = sio2 = 0x3e8 > >I believe make.conf is correct. >-- >Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 6:34:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DEB415196 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 22680 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 1999 13:34:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990623133428.22679.qmail@nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.68 by nwcst323 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Wed Jun 23 13:34:28 GMT 1999 Date: 23 Jun 99 06:34:28 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: doc@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Document: Documentation errors in FreeBSD Run Date: 6/17/99 Description: The following is a listing of incomplete, ambigous or failed references for FreeBSD using whatit(1) and man(1). This survey was conducted using FreeBSD 3.1. A complete Listing can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hub/8031/psuedo-indicators/fbsduti= ls.html Score: directory no reference ambigous reference other total available /bin 0 1 1 2 32 /sbin 8 5 0 13 82 /usr/bin 42 33 0 75 394 /usr/sbin 8 7 2 17 183 ---- ---- total total 107 691 Final Score 107.0/691.0 =3D 0.1548 (15.5%= ) --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 7:48:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hp1.sasinc.com (unknown [208.143.60.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B7414E81 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 07:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from BrennanK@sasinc.com) Received: by sasinc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:48:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Brennan, Kathy" To: "'freebsd-doc@freebsd.org'" Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:48:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kathy Brennan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 12:28:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3BC14FBB; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 12:28:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id FAA01997; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:27:43 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990624052739.54552@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 05:27:39 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Jesus Monroy Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect References: <19990623133428.22679.qmail@nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990623133428.22679.qmail@nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net>; from Jesus Monroy on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 06:34:28AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 06:34:28AM -0700, Jesus Monroy wrote: > Document: Documentation errors in FreeBSD > Run Date: 6/17/99 > Description: The following is a listing of incomplete, ambigous or > failed references for FreeBSD using whatit(1) and man(1). Documentation survey notice 50% incorrect: No information can be obtained for whatit(1). -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 15:42:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A160C14E29; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA42989; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:14:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:14:41 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@freebsd.org Subject: Resolution: FDP reorganisation Message-ID: <19990623231441.N42442@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [cc'd to -- doc@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-translate@ngo.org.uk jdp@FreeBSD.org ] Heads up, the FDP directory change should be happening this weekend. After talking with John Polstra, it was decided that the wholesale repository copies and moves within doc/ that I had originally requested were infeasible due to the scale of the request. So we've changed how it's going to be done. You can see my original request here; [1] Notice the directory structures that were requested. That's still the target for after the conversion, we're just going to get there slightly differently. At some point this weekend (to be decided by CVS Rep. Manager John Polstra) the doc/ repository will be frozen. It will then be moved aside, and a new doc/ repository created. All the English documentation from the old repository will be copied in to its new location in the tree, retaining all the CVS logs, revision histories, and so on. This will be carried out by John. I will then RE-IMPORT the non-English docs into the tree into the new directories. This means that all the non-English docs will revert to revision 1.1 when you next see them. I'm almost 100% certain this won't be a problem -- while the non-English docs do have revision histories and logs, they are all of the form "Synched with vX.Y of the English equivalent". So while this will lose history information from the non-English docs, I don't think it's important history information. I'm willing to be corrected on this if there's any documentation in the non-English trees that needs the revision history kept. Please let me know if this is the case. I don't want to have to stall on this much further -- waiting to get this change organised has held up a bunch of planned work in doc/, and in particular, I'm grateful to the French translation team, who have patiently waited for this to be sorted out before I can commit their excellent work on translating the Handbook, FAQ, and web site to French. N [1] There are two changes to that message. In conjunction with the recently committed change that moved /usr/share/local/zh_TW.BIG5 to zh_TW.Big5, the "Big5" variant will be used in the new repository as well. And after comments from the Japanese Doc. Proj., the directory for Japanese docs in the repository will be ja_JP.EUC-JP. Note that these names are not (necessarily) the same names that the documentation will be installed under, they are for the CVS repository. -- --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 15:42:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE1F1540E; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA42544; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:11:08 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:11:08 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami Cc: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk, doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, doc-jp@jp.freebsd.org, cvs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FDP Directory Reorganisation Message-ID: <19990623231108.A71294@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19990513211458.B70767@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <19990603195027.A31941@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <37593369.10E2888D@sky.rim.or.jp> <19990607233227.A34938@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906162246.PAA02177@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990617194856.A26011@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906172252.PAA11221@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> <199906181152.EAA24735@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <199906231041.DAA51528@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199906231041.DAA51528@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 03:41:23AM -0700 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 03:41:23AM -0700, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > Ok, we now have a conclusion. The Japanese documentation team > unanimously requests Japanese docs to remain under the "ja" directory. > Here are the reasonings: > > (1) To consistently change the installation directory from "ja" to > something else requires a lot of work. Doesn't apply. I'm not asking that the installation directory change, just the directory in which it's held in the CVS repository. > (2) "ja_JP.EUC" is particularly not suitable as a locale, because: > > 1. "EUC" is merely an encoding scheme, and does not designate a > particular codeset. Of course, if you restrict yourself inside > Japan, it is very unlikely that ja_JP.EUC means anything other > than EUC-JP. However, that doesn't apply to other countries, > and furthermore it is not correct to interpret the "EUC" part > based on what ("ja_JP") comes in front. > > While the ja name doesn't designate the codeset either, at > least it doesn't pretend it does -- but ja_JP.EUC gives the > user the false impression that it is a correct full spec. > > 2. In other UNIX-like systems, ja_JP.eucJP seems to be the > majority choice. X11R6 and later also use ja_JP.eucJP as the > canonical name. ja_JP.eucJP does designate the codeset so > therefore is much better than ja_JP.EUC. Moving docs to > ja_JP.eucJP might be acceptable, but to change them to > ja_JP.EUC is totally bogus. (BTW, some Linux systems use > ja_JP.ujis or ja_JP.EUC-JP -- the latter might be a better > choice for us than ja_JP.eucJP.) Agreed. You've done more research on this than I have. The one thing I have dug up that agrees with this is the IANA assignments document that suggests "ja_JP.EUC-JP" (the URL of which I mailed out earlier). My preferences, therefore, are (in order) ja_JP.EUC-JP ja_JP.eucJP ja_JP.ujis and I'm very strongly in favour of the first option. We can use symlinks in the *installed* directories so that all of the above (and more) work. However, for the CVS repositories I would like to follow standards wherever possible. > (3) Considering (2) above, it is very likely we will have to change > the official Japanese locale name for EUC-JP to ja_JP.eucJP (or > ja_JP.EUC-JP) soon on FreeBSD. Even if we are going to copy the > Japanese docs, we should make sure to synchronize it with that > effort. Why? I'm prepared to put in one kludge in the Makefile to recognise a LOCALE that doesn't match a directory name, but it's the profusion of kludges that we would have now that's the problem. I'm also prepared to 'police' this very thoroughly, to ensure that nothing else like it sneaks in. > 1. There are people in Japan working on changing the locale name > as well as improving the implementation. It is going to take > about another half year for that to finish, so it might be a > good idea to specify a cut-off date and suspend this discussion > until then. A half year is not acceptable for this -- I've got a lot of stuff sitting in the pipe waiting to be committed that wants a nice, clean, logical, directory structure. In 6 months time we'll have at least three new translation teams working on the docs (French, Hungarian, and Malay). That's almost certainly three times the effort, particularly since the French team have done a superb effort in the amount of translation they've done. [snip] I'm just about to post one last message about this, with the subject: Resolution: FDP reorganisation which should take the above comments on board, and explain what's going to happen over the weekend. Cheers, N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 16:45:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC54714EC0; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA04935; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:45:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca4-28.ix.netcom.com(205.186.212.156) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004813; Wed Jun 23 18:44:22 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id QAA55779; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906232344.QAA55779@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Cc: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk, doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org, cvs@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <19990623231108.A71294@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> (message from Nik Clayton on Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:11:08 +0100) Subject: Re: FDP Directory Reorganisation From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) References: <19990513211458.B70767@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <19990603195027.A31941@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <37593369.10E2888D@sky.rim.or.jp> <19990607233227.A34938@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906162246.PAA02177@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990617194856.A26011@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906172252.PAA11221@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> <199906181152.EAA24735@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <199906231041.DAA51528@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990623231108.A71294@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * From: Nik Clayton * Doesn't apply. I'm not asking that the installation directory change, * just the directory in which it's held in the CVS repository. I did not realize that you were proposing to make the names in the CVS repository inconsistent with the installation directory. Why do you want to do that? * Agreed. You've done more research on this than I have. The one thing * I have dug up that agrees with this is the IANA assignments document * that suggests "ja_JP.EUC-JP" (the URL of which I mailed out earlier). * * My preferences, therefore, are (in order) * * ja_JP.EUC-JP * ja_JP.eucJP * ja_JP.ujis * * and I'm very strongly in favour of the first option. Note that currently none of the above are officially supported locale names for FreeBSD. * We can use symlinks in the *installed* directories so that all of * the above (and more) work. However, for the CVS repositories I would * like to follow standards wherever possible. "ja" is an acceptable locale name, and is therefore suitable both as installation and repository directory names. * Why? I'm prepared to put in one kludge in the Makefile to recognise * a LOCALE that doesn't match a directory name, but it's the profusion of * kludges that we would have now that's the problem. I'm also prepared * to 'police' this very thoroughly, to ensure that nothing else like it * sneaks in. We can make the directory name match a locale by making "ja" an official alias of ja_JP.EUC (for now -- will be changed to eucJP or EUC-JP later). * A half year is not acceptable for this -- I've got a lot of stuff sitting * in the pipe waiting to be committed that wants a nice, clean, logical, * directory structure. * * In 6 months time we'll have at least three new translation teams working * on the docs (French, Hungarian, and Malay). That's almost certainly three * times the effort, particularly since the French team have done a superb * effort in the amount of translation they've done. We're only talking about the name of toplevel for Japanese docs. You can move stuff inside (book, articles, etc.) all you want. We also don't intend to poke our heads into other people's businesses, so go ahead and change the French and Hungarian and other directories to whatever names they want. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 17: 1: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF5414F1F for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mohantys@email.msn.com) Received: from vnluhhid - 208.250.83.237 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:00:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bebd71$4e813fc0$ed53fad0@vnluhhid> From: "mohantys" To: Subject: Install BSD on my PC-Windows 95 OS Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:00:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEBC9E.627BFCA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEBC9E.627BFCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear sir: Please provide me a CD to do as above. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEBC9E.627BFCA0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 19: 0: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F8615120 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id TAA92882; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from vlsi.cs.caltech.edu (vlsi.cs.caltech.edu [131.215.131.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA2614CAB for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mika@dogmatix.cs.caltech.edu) Received: from dogmatix.cs.caltech.edu (dogmatix.cs.caltech.edu [131.215.78.70]) by vlsi.cs.caltech.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA01081 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mika@localhost) by dogmatix.cs.caltech.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA09479; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906240150.SAA09479@dogmatix.cs.caltech.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Mika Nystrom Reply-To: mika@cs.caltech.edu To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 12372 >Category: docs >Synopsis: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong >Confidential: yes >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jun 23 19:00:02 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mika Nystrom >Release: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Department of Computer Science California Institute of Technology >Environment: 3.0-CURRENT 3.2-RELEASE others..? >Description: The manual page for strdup(3) claims: HISTORY The strdup() function first appeared in 4.4BSD. BSD June 9, 1993 1 This is wrong. strdup() is documented in SunOS 4.1.1 (and earlier), at least as early as 1987. From SunOS 4.1.1/sun3: .\" @(#)string.3 1.33 90/02/15 SMI; from UCB 4.2 and S5 .TH STRING 3 "6 October 1987" .SH NAME strcat, strncat, strdup, strcmp, strncmp, strcasecmp, strncasecmp, strcpy, strnc py, strlen, strchr, strrchr, strpbrk, strspn, strcspn, strstr, strtok, index, ri ndex \- string operations It is not present in Tahoe UNIX though (dated 22 Oct 1987, two weeks after the SMI man page), so I assume it is actually from AT&T System V. The only reason I bring this up is that the manual page might lead a programmer to believe (such as I did in shock after having used strdup with abandon for several years) that use of strdup will lead to less portable programs than it actually does. >How-To-Repeat: freebsd% man 3 strdup >Fix: Edit the man page to say .. don't know.. "Probably from System V"? >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: no non-critical low doc-bug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 21:48: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 942531525F for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 21873 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 1999 04:47:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19990624044737.21872.qmail@nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.67 by nwcst322 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Thu Jun 24 04:47:36 GMT 1999 Date: 23 Jun 99 21:47:36 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Sue Blake Subject: Re: [Re: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect] Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 06:34:28AM -0700, Jesus Monroy wrote: > > Document: Documentation errors in FreeBSD > > Run Date: 6/17/99 > > Description: The following is a listing of incomplete, ambigous or > > failed references for FreeBSD using whatit(1) and man(1= ). > = > Documentation survey notice 50% incorrect: > No information can be obtained for whatit(1). > sure you try this without a spelling checker after 18 hours of no sleep. Fix the mistake or shutup. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 23 22:53:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mpp.pro-ns.net (mpp.pro-ns.net [208.200.182.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD0B14CA8; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.pro-ns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14021; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:53:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199906240553.AAA14021@mpp.pro-ns.net> Subject: Re: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect In-Reply-To: <19990623133428.22679.qmail@nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net> from Jesus Monroy at "Jun 23, 1999 06:34:28 am" To: jesus.monroy@usa.net (Jesus Monroy) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:53:42 -0500 (CDT) Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Document: Documentation errors in FreeBSD > Run Date: 6/17/99 > Description: The following is a listing of incomplete, ambigous or > failed references for FreeBSD using whatit(1) and man(1). > This survey was conducted using FreeBSD 3.1. > > A complete Listing can be found at: > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hub/8031/psuedo-indicators/fbsdutils.html > > Score: > directory no reference ambigous reference other total available > /bin 0 1 1 2 32 > /sbin 8 5 0 13 82 > /usr/bin 42 33 0 75 394 > /usr/sbin 8 7 2 17 183 > ---- ---- > total total 107 691 > > Final Score 107.0/691.0 = 0.1548 (15.5%) I took a look through this list and by my count only about 55 of the references are bogus or incorrect or ambiguous. A number of them in your list are producing exactly what they should be. Some others have been fixed in -current already. There are a handful of man pages with links to other man pages that do not show the links in the NAME/SYSNOPSIS section. I'm going to go fix the easy ones right now. A number of man pages/commands are links for historical names for commands, which have been replaced by new/GNU replacements and the man pages reflect the updated versions, not the historical name for the command. These should probably be fixed, too. 'man cc' is a good example. You get what you need - the gcc man page. I've never been sure what we should do with these. One interesting problem your survery points out is that whatis/makewhatis get confused about inetd.conf and inetd. It lists them both as section 5 man pages, when only inetd is section 8. This is because the inetd Makefile MLINKS inetd.8 to inetd.conf.5. There are probably a few other commands that might be doing this. I'll have to look at this closer. Then there are the commands without manual pages, which is just plain wrong. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.ORG or mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 0:37:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D5214E60; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:37:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id RAA29549; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:07:17 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA02373; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:05:10 +0930 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:05:09 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: Mike Pritchard Cc: Jesus Monroy , doc@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect In-Reply-To: <199906240553.AAA14021@mpp.pro-ns.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Mike Pritchard wrote: > One interesting problem your survery points out is that whatis/makewhatis > get confused about inetd.conf and inetd. It lists them both as section > 5 man pages, when only inetd is section 8. This is because > the inetd Makefile MLINKS inetd.8 to inetd.conf.5. There are > probably a few other commands that might be doing this. I'll have > to look at this closer. Wasn't this just fixed in the past few days? I remember a commit message citing rpc.statd as an example. Or maybe I don't. Kris ----- "Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." -- Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 0:47:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mpp.pro-ns.net (mpp.pro-ns.net [208.200.182.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698DB14F46; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.pro-ns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15702; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:47:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199906240747.CAA15702@mpp.pro-ns.net> Subject: Re: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect In-Reply-To: from Kris Kennaway at "Jun 24, 1999 05:05:09 pm" To: kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Kris Kennaway) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 02:47:11 -0500 (CDT) Cc: jesus.monroy@usa.net (Jesus Monroy), doc@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Mike Pritchard wrote: > > One interesting problem your survery points out is that whatis/makewhatis > > get confused about inetd.conf and inetd. It lists them both as section > > 5 man pages, when only inetd is section 8. This is because > > the inetd Makefile MLINKS inetd.8 to inetd.conf.5. There are > > probably a few other commands that might be doing this. I'll have > > to look at this closer. > > Wasn't this just fixed in the past few days? I remember a commit message > citing rpc.statd as an example. Or maybe I don't. That was whereis, not whatis. It was a fix to prevent it from stripping the suffix off of commands like rpc.statd. Two different problems. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.ORG or mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 1:13: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5DE155B7; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:12:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA01483; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 03:12:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca4-28.ix.netcom.com(205.186.212.156) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001477; Thu Jun 24 03:12:24 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id BAA57382; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906240812.BAA57382@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@freebsd.org, freebsd-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, * At some point this weekend (to be decided by CVS Rep. Manager John Polstra) * the doc/ repository will be frozen. It will then be moved aside, and a * new doc/ repository created. * * All the English documentation from the old repository will be copied in to * its new location in the tree, retaining all the CVS logs, revision * histories, and so on. * * This will be carried out by John. Are you sure this will work? As I remember, you can't really "move aside" an old repository -- people who have the stuff checked out will have their cvs updates scream at them. But if John says it's ok, I have no problem with that. * [1] There are two changes to that message. In conjunction with the recently * committed change that moved /usr/share/local/zh_TW.BIG5 to zh_TW.Big5, * the "Big5" variant will be used in the new repository as well. * * And after comments from the Japanese Doc. Proj., the directory for * Japanese docs in the repository will be ja_JP.EUC-JP. Objection. That is not a widely used name in Japan and has no basis in standards. I assume you are referring to this document in the other mail: http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/character-sets which specifies MIME charsets. MIME charsets have nothing to do with codeset names in locales. This will make us incompatible with almost everyone in Japan and the world, in particular, X/Open (think XFree86), which use ja_JP.eucJP. See "Internationalisation Guide, Version 2 By X / Open" http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=013353541X As I said in the other mail, we would like to see it stay as "ja" and have "ja" defined as an official alias to ja_JP.EUC (for now, to be changed to ja_JP.eucJP or ja_JP.EUC-JP later). I would very much like to see the opinions of the Japanese doc team, those who are actually doing the work of translation and locale conversions (and whom I'm getting all this information from), valued a little more. respectfully, Satoshi (and the Japanese doc team) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 3:11: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from firewall1.lehman.com (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D53F152EA; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 03:10:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nclayton@lehman.com) Received: from relay3.messaging-svcs5.lehman.com by firewall1.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA08928; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 06:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990624111012.L15628@lehman.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:10:12 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami , nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Cc: doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org, cvs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FDP Directory Reorganisation References: <19990603195027.A31941@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <37593369.10E2888D@sky.rim.or.jp> <19990607233227.A34938@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906162246.PAA02177@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990617194856.A26011@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906172252.PAA11221@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> <199906181152.EAA24735@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <199906231041.DAA51528@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990623231108.A71294@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906232344.QAA55779@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199906232344.QAA55779@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami on Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 04:44:14PM -0700 Organization: Lehman Brothers Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 23, 1999 at 04:44:14PM -0700, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > * From: Nik Clayton > > * Doesn't apply. I'm not asking that the installation directory change, > * just the directory in which it's held in the CVS repository. > > I did not realize that you were proposing to make the names in the CVS > repository inconsistent with the installation directory. Why do you > want to do that? Because while the files will only exist in one place in the CVS repository, they might exist in several places when they are installed. Consider the Japanese translations. Right now we only have one encoding, EUC-JP in the repository. What's more, we can mechanically convert from EUC to ShiftJIS encoding (at least, I've been told on this list that we can do that). So, what's going to happen when you do # cd doc/ja_JP.EUC-JP/books/handbook # make install Lots of things. Firstly, the formatted documentation will be installed in to the PRIMARY installation directory. That directory will almost certainly be /usr/share/doc/ja_JP.EUC-JP/books/handbook to match the repository name (it might be /usr/local/... instead, that's really a policy issue for the local machine admin, and not something that's important right now). However, the files can also be installed into other places as well (note: when I say "installed", mechanisms such as symlinks can be used instead for the same effect, indeed, this is how it's likely to be implemented). So, our hypothetical Japanese admin doesn't want that sort of long name in his install directory, and would prefer it to be "ja". That's fine; they can either make the symlink themselves; /usr/share/doc/ja -> /usr/share/doc/ja_JP.EUC-JP or the Makefile can support the concept itself, through a space separated list of aliases in the Makefile ("ALIASES= ja" for example). The Japanese translation team aren't the only ones that will want this functionality, every other language will need it as well. For example, the English docs will install in to /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO-8859-1 (or similar) but the plain "en" symlink will exist as well. Now suppose that you're a Chinese admin, and you've got the choice of documentation that is available in two different encodings. You can install both of them (because the encoding names don't clash) and use a symlink from /usr/share/doc/zh to point to whichever one you want to be 'local preferred format'. This sort of mechanism will also be used a lot to create extra symlinks to help categorise the installed documentation. Suppose that you have 3 pieces of documentation about printing on Unix. 1. A quick FAQ (an article) 2. A walkthrough of printing to a Win95 hosted printer, using Samba (an article) 3. A larger book going in to all the ins and outs of printing under FreeBSD (a book) In the repository, those three pieces of documentation will probably live in the following areas; doc//articles/printing-faq doc//articles/printing-to-win95 doc//books/printing When these three pieces of documentation are installed the master copies will be installed in subdirectories that reflect the book/article distinction. That's OK, but not great. How is the user supposed to know where to look for information about printing? The solution is 'virtual categories'. I've touched on these briefly in other messages a month or so ago. Basically, the respective Makefiles for these three pieces of documentation will contain lines like VIRTUAL_CATEGORIES= printing VIRTUAL_CATEGORIES= printing win95 VIRTUAL_CATEGORIES= printing The install target in the Makefile will then use this to create symlinks like /usr/doc//printing/articles/printing-faq /usr/doc//printing/articles/printing-to-win95 /usr/doc//printing/books/printing /usr/doc//win95/articles/printing-to-win95 Notice how there are four directories there instead of three. One of those articles is now available under both the "printing" category and the "win95" category. I might extend this a third way, so that as well as categorising by document type (article, book, or manual page) and virtual category, documentation is also categoriesed by installation format. So if you just want to see HTML docs you go to /usr/doc//html/... or similar. But that might be going a bit too far. So the user now has a much better chance of being able to find the documentation they want. Couple this with some XML based programs that can extract the titles from the documentation we should even be able to create a master index of all the installed documentation in something like /usr/doc//index.html with links to all the installed documentation, nicely categorised. How cool is that, eh? :-) > * Agreed. You've done more research on this than I have. The one thing > * I have dug up that agrees with this is the IANA assignments document > * that suggests "ja_JP.EUC-JP" (the URL of which I mailed out earlier). > * > * My preferences, therefore, are (in order) > * > * ja_JP.EUC-JP > * ja_JP.eucJP > * ja_JP.ujis > * > * and I'm very strongly in favour of the first option. > > Note that currently none of the above are officially supported locale > names for FreeBSD. Doesn't matter. If, as you've said, we'll be switching to one of those in 6 months time we can use the ALIAS mechanism I described above to make sure that the Japanese documentation is installed in to directories that match the current Japanese locale. > * We can use symlinks in the *installed* directories so that all of > * the above (and more) work. However, for the CVS repositories I would > * like to follow standards wherever possible. > > "ja" is an acceptable locale name, and is therefore suitable both as > installation and repository directory names. No it's not (as a repository directory name). Directories in the repository will be encoding the language, location, and encoding. I want this to be an inviolate rule -- if we need it for one language, then, for future proofing, we need it for all. Consider what happens as and when we provide a mechanism to mechanically translate from EUC to ShiftJIS (for example). Because this can be done mechanically I envisage two directories at the top level, ja_JP.EUC-JP ja_JP.ShiftJIS (I think that's the right encoding name for ShiftJIS, but don't quote me on that). ja_JP.EUC-JP contains the documentation. ja_JP.ShiftJIS contains a skeleton structure and a Makefile that, when run, populates the skeleton structure with documentation mechanically converted from the EUC encoding, which the user can then play with as they wish. For languages where you can not mechanically translate between encodings, such as Chinese, we will actually be storing two different copies of the documentation in the two directory structures. I am 100% dead set against this being something like ja ja_JP.ShiftJIS directories instead. This is inconsistent with how the rest of the tree will be organised, and will required kludges anywhere the directory name is split apart in to its constituent components to take account of the fact that one of the Japanese directories is named differently. I don't want these sort of kludges in the tree. N -- --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 4:52:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E238115359 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 04:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (IDENT:7/a4Atl+RN+4vsJnKFbEeBZcX1sJhW6/@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7Wpl2) with ESMTP id UAA06133; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:50:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id UAA20655; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:54:53 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199906241154.UAA20655@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Cc: FreeBSD-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-tech-jp 2283] Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Jun 1999 01:12:17 MST." <199906240812.BAA57382@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> References: <199906240812.BAA57382@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:54:52 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > * [1] There are two changes to that message. In conjunction with the recentl >y > * committed change that moved /usr/share/local/zh_TW.BIG5 to zh_TW.Big5, > * the "Big5" variant will be used in the new repository as well. > * > * And after comments from the Japanese Doc. Proj., the directory for > * Japanese docs in the repository will be ja_JP.EUC-JP. > >Objection. That is not a widely used name in Japan and has no basis >in standards. I assume you are referring to this document in the >other mail: > >http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/character-sets > >which specifies MIME charsets. MIME charsets have nothing to do with >codeset names in locales. > >This will make us incompatible with almost everyone in Japan and the >world, in particular, X/Open (think XFree86), which use >ja_JP.eucJP. See "Internationalisation Guide, Version 2 By X / Open" > >http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=013353541X Nik, if you want to name repository directories based on Unix locale naming convention, please stick with known and common locale names such as ja_JP.eucJP and ja_JP.SJIS. As Satoshi has pointed out, the IANA document defines names for MIME charsets. These names has nothing to do with locale names. We shouldn't mix up these two conventions/standards. Otherwise, we will have something which is not conforming to anything. Please use eucJP and SJIS rather than EUC-JP and ShiftJIS. Kazu PS. Please cc to FreeBSD-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org or directly write to me. I don't subscribe to doc@FreeBSD.org. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 7:25: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D071C14E17; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from sheldonh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA29027; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:25:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199906241425.HAA29027@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mika@cs.caltech.edu, sheldonh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: sheldonh State-Changed-When: Thu Jun 24 07:24:09 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: The HISTORY section of a manpage isn't intended for use as a portability reference. It's there to indicate how a program or interface came to exist in the system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 7:50: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D71915481 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA31425; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from thneed.ubergeeks.com (thneed.ubergeeks.com [206.205.41.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD24A151C9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 07:45:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@thneed.ubergeeks.com) Received: (from adrian@localhost) by thneed.ubergeeks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03152; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:45:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from adrian) Message-Id: <199906241445.KAA03152@thneed.ubergeeks.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:45:43 -0400 (EDT) From: adrian@ubergeeks.com Reply-To: adrian@ubergeeks.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/12377: doc patch for login_cap. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 12377 >Category: docs >Synopsis: differences of a NULL login class need amplification >Confidential: no >Severity: critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jun 24 07:50:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Adrian Filipi-Martin >Release: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Ubergeeks Consulting >Environment: stock 3.2 installation. >Description: The fact that the root account has a different default login class is not well documented. It is documented, but only in passing in a paragraph low in the login_cap(3) manpage and in the login_cap.h header. The fact that the NULL login class has different interpretations depending upon the context of the capability lookup should be noted clearly or the behavior of the look up should be modified to make it more intuitive. The fact that the NULL class has two default values begs the question, "is there really a default class?" >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: A quick fix is to apply the following doc patch. A better fix is to make all accounts with NULL login classes default to the "default" class and explicitly set root's class to 'root' in master.passwd. This would be an application of the "principle of least surprise". *** login.conf.orig Thu Jun 24 10:24:22 1999 --- login.conf Thu Jun 24 10:25:22 1999 *************** *** 60,65 **** --- 60,66 ---- # # Root can always login # + # N.B. This is the default class for the root account, not 'default'. root:\ :ignorenologin:\ :tc=default: --- login_cap.3.orig Thu Jun 24 10:27:45 1999 +++ login_cap.3 Thu Jun 24 10:32:53 1999 @@ -139,14 +139,15 @@ .Fn login_getclass or .Fn login_getuserclass . -If the referenced user has no login class specified in +If the referenced user is not root and has no login class specified in .Pa /etc/master.passwd , the class name is NULL or an empty string, or if the class specified does not exist in the database, each of these functions will search for a record with an id of "default", with that name returned in the .Ar lc_class -field. +field. If the user is root, then record with an id of "root" will +be returned instead of "default". .Pp The .Ar lc_cap >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 8:18: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F9A14F1A; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp) Received: from moon.sky.rim.or.jp (ppp367.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.67]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with ESMTP id AAA23462; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:17:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from sky.rim.or.jp (earth.sky.rim.or.jp [192.168.1.2]) by moon.sky.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.5Wpl4/moon-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA09101; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:17:46 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37724BD3.D1C377CC@sky.rim.or.jp> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:16:35 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [ja] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation References: <19990623231441.N42442@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > I will then RE-IMPORT the non-English docs into the tree into the new > directories. This means that all the non-English docs will revert to > revision 1.1 when you next see them. I don't like this. Commit logs for Japanese files include many "Submitted by:" record which has contributor's name. If it is possible, I want it to be reserved. > [1] There are two changes to that message. In conjunction with the recently > committed change that moved /usr/share/local/zh_TW.BIG5 to zh_TW.Big5, > the "Big5" variant will be used in the new repository as well. > > And after comments from the Japanese Doc. Proj., the directory for > Japanese docs in the repository will be ja_JP.EUC-JP. Is it difficult to keep it as "ja"? As Satoshi said, we need more discussion for correct encoding name. And IMHO, one reason we chose Japanese EUC encoding is text processors which we used can handle Japanese EUC correctly, others are not. But after DocBook migration, all text processors are changed, so there is possibility we decide to use another encoding (of course, I think Japanese EUC will be handled correctly by many tools). -- Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp // kuriyama@FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 8:50:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D5614D20 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10xBlL-000Hbb-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:50:03 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Revising the rc.conf-related manpages Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:50:03 +0200 Message-ID: <67678.930239403@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, It doesn't look like our manual pages have been updated to reflect the use of /etc/defaults/rc.conf . I'm willing to work on it and want some guidance (or a quick message letting me know that someone else is taking care of this). So far, I've got a small diff for rc.conf(5) and wanted to know whether it's acceptable, if not what's wrong and what else would need to be updated to complete the revision. Please ensure that feedback comes to my address, as I don't subscribe to the list. Thanks, Sheldon. Index: rc.conf.5 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/man/man5/rc.conf.5,v retrieving revision 1.30 diff -u -d -r1.30 rc.conf.5 --- rc.conf.5 1999/03/29 17:22:47 1.30 +++ rc.conf.5 1999/06/24 15:49:41 @@ -30,9 +30,6 @@ .Sh NAME .Nm rc.conf .Nd system configuration information. -.Pp -.Nm rc.conf.local -.Nd localized system configuration information. .Sh DESCRIPTION The file .Nm rc.conf @@ -43,16 +40,8 @@ file is generally initialized by the system installation utility: .Pa /stand/sysinstall . .Pp -The -.Nm rc.conf.local -file may be used to override variables set in rc.conf. The system -administrator typically uses the distribution-supplied -.Nm rc.conf -file and maintains local overrides/additions in -.Nm rc.conf.local. -.Pp The purpose of -.Nm rc.conf[.local] +.Nm rc.conf is not to run commands or perform system startup actions directly. Instead, it is included by the various generic startup scripts in @@ -60,6 +49,21 @@ which conditionalize their internal actions according to the settings found there. .Pp +The +.Pa /etc/rc.conf +file is included from the file +.Pa /etc/defaults/rc.conf , +which specifies the default settings for all the available options. Options +need only be specified in +.Pa /etc/rc.conf +when the system administrator wishes to override these defaults. The file +.Pa /etc/rc.conf.local +is used to override settings in +.Pa /etc/rc.conf +for historical reasons. See the +.Dq rc_conf_files +option below. +.Pp The following list provides a name and short description for each variable you can set in the .Nm @@ -196,6 +200,15 @@ .Ed Then note that alias4 would \fBnot\fR be added since the search would stop with the missing alias3 entry. +.It Ar rc_conf_files +(str) This option is used to specify a list of files that will override +the settings in +.Pa /etc/defaults/rc.conf . +The files will be read in the order in which they are specified and should +include the full path to the file. By default, the files specified are +.Pa /etc/rc.conf +and +.Pa /etc/rc.conf.local .It Ar syslogd_enable (bool) If set to .Ar YES , @@ -944,6 +957,10 @@ for the list of possible security levels and their effect on system operation. .Sh FILES +.Bl -tag -width /etc/defaults/rc.conf -compact +.It Pa /etc/defaults/rc.conf +.El +.Pp .Bl -tag -width /etc/rc.conf -compact .It Pa /etc/rc.conf .El To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 8:52:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C796C14F2E; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:52:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18412.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.92]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04289; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA04088; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:52:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:52:18 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: sheldonh@FreeBSD.org Cc: mika@cs.caltech.edu, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong Message-ID: <19990624115218.A3732@mad> References: <199906241425.HAA29027@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199906241425.HAA29027@freefall.freebsd.org>; from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:25:00AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:25:00AM -0700, sheldonh@FreeBSD.org wrote: > Synopsis: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong > > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: sheldonh > State-Changed-When: Thu Jun 24 07:24:09 PDT 1999 > State-Changed-Why: > The HISTORY section of a manpage isn't intended for use as a portability > reference. It's there to indicate how a program or interface came to > exist in the system. Yes, but he said the HISTORY was simply wrong. For reasons unbeknownst, the PR is almost marked confidential. -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 10:23: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mpp.pro-ns.net (mpp.pro-ns.net [208.200.182.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298CB14FB3 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.pro-ns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16768; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:22:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199906241722.MAA16768@mpp.pro-ns.net> Subject: Re: Revising the rc.conf-related manpages In-Reply-To: <67678.930239403@axl.noc.iafrica.com> from Sheldon Hearn at "Jun 24, 1999 05:50:03 pm" To: sheldonh@uunet.co.za (Sheldon Hearn) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:22:44 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hi folks, > > It doesn't look like our manual pages have been updated to reflect the > use of /etc/defaults/rc.conf . I'm willing to work on it and want some > guidance (or a quick message letting me know that someone else is taking > care of this). > > So far, I've got a small diff for rc.conf(5) and wanted to know whether > it's acceptable, if not what's wrong and what else would need to be > updated to complete the revision. > > Please ensure that feedback comes to my address, as I don't subscribe to > the list. > > Thanks, > Sheldon. > > Index: rc.conf.5 > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/man/man5/rc.conf.5,v > retrieving revision 1.30 > diff -u -d -r1.30 rc.conf.5 > --- rc.conf.5 1999/03/29 17:22:47 1.30 > +++ rc.conf.5 1999/06/24 15:49:41 > @@ -30,9 +30,6 @@ > .Sh NAME > .Nm rc.conf > .Nd system configuration information. > -.Pp > -.Nm rc.conf.local > -.Nd localized system configuration information. >.... I don't really like it that rc.conf.local is being taken out of the NAME section. This makes it so 'whatis' rc.conf.local won't direct the user to this man page, and then they have to go grubbing through /etc trying to figure out what that file is for, instead of being pointed to this man page. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.ORG or mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 10:29:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mpp.pro-ns.net (mpp.pro-ns.net [208.200.182.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398EA14FB3; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.pro-ns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16796; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:28:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199906241728.MAA16796@mpp.pro-ns.net> Subject: Re: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong In-Reply-To: <19990624115218.A3732@mad> from Tim Vanderhoek at "Jun 24, 1999 11:52:18 am" To: vanderh@ecf.utoronto.ca (Tim Vanderhoek) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:28:58 -0500 (CDT) Cc: sheldonh@FreeBSD.ORG, mika@cs.caltech.edu, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:25:00AM -0700, sheldonh@FreeBSD.org wrote: > > Synopsis: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong > > > > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > > State-Changed-By: sheldonh > > State-Changed-When: Thu Jun 24 07:24:09 PDT 1999 > > State-Changed-Why: > > The HISTORY section of a manpage isn't intended for use as a portability > > reference. It's there to indicate how a program or interface came to > > exist in the system. > > Yes, but he said the HISTORY was simply wrong. > > For reasons unbeknownst, the PR is almost marked confidential. From a quick check via the man page section at www.freebsd.org, strdup was available in 4.3BSD Reno, and the Net/2 man page states that strdup first appeared in 4.4BSD. It's been so long since I used a 4.2 system, I can't remember if it had strdup or not. Either way, it looks like the HISTORY really is incorrect. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.ORG or mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 10:35:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EE2152AE; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from billf@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA50016; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:35:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199906241735.KAA50016@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mika@cs.caltech.edu, billf@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong State-Changed-From-To: closed->open State-Changed-By: billf State-Changed-When: Thu Jun 24 10:35:13 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: This needs to be investigated further. 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In the near future SNN will begin to appear on a bi-weekly basis with an emphasis on the best of online investment advice that can be gathered from the Internet and other independent sources. The emphasis will be on small to medium cap Issues that trade on the NASDAQ and Bulletin Board markets. The research bias will be towards technology and Internet related companies. Please look for our new format in July and let us know what you think! In this edition we would like to follow up on a company that we first wrote about in February of 1999, WCollect.com - Symbol WCLT - OTC BB. WCollect.com is positioning itself to become the world's largest and most trusted art and collectibles Gallery and Auction Company. It turns out that we were too far "out in front" on this particular company and due to a number factors the stock has traded between $5.25 and $1.06 over the last 4 1/2 months. The primary problem the company has been working on is the upgrade of their site to a "carrier class" site which has all the capacity to handle 100's of thousands of items online at one time. The launch of this site is scheduled for July 18, 1999; a date confirmed to us by company management as recently as yesterday June 22, 1999. This site will put WCollect.com in the same league as Ebay and the other high profile auction sites, from a technical perspective. More important in our mind, has been the work WCollect.com has carried out in the area of securing content for their site. Many of the present sites are little more than glorified garage sales, with items from "beanie babies" to car engines being offered for sale. This turns these sites into classified advertising pages, with no real ability to differentiate themselves from each other. WCollect.com has signed up over 150 artists and the owners of over $50 million of sports and entertainment collectibles, to be exclusive providers of content to WCollect.com SNN feels that having higher quality products to offer will: 1.) Differentiate the WCollect.com site, and 2.) Give the company the opportunity to have much higher margins on the product that they sell. WCollect.com has also been very successful in developing joint venture and strategic relationships with high profile entertainment companies such as King World and their "Roseanne Show" and with the Grammy awards. SNN understands that there may soon be an announcement in regard to a foreign affiliation for WCollect.com whereby one of the largest software companies in Asia will initially provide the company with access to over 15 million Internet subscribers. This will eventually result in WCollect.com having a fully functioning, local language, auction site operating on a joint venture basis. This fully translated site will be adapted to local culture and tastes, in regard to the product offerings and will be a first for any US based company in the online auction business. In addition, SNN has learned that WCollect.com will be announcing a deal with the White House 200th Anniversary Celebration on Thursday, June 24, 1999. According to our sources, WCollect.com will become the exclusive web site and online marketer for a whole series of products and collectibles that will mark this event. The new site with its cross-links into WCollect's gallery and auction sites will be operational on July 2, 1999, at www.wh200th.org This pact, with an organization of this integrity, must reflect positively on WCollect.com and should greatly increase their credibility in the investment community. Additionally, the publicity this site will receive over the coming year will drive a huge number of "eyeballs" to the "White House site" and they will, in turn, be cross-linked to the www.Wcollect.com site. WCollect.com is now starting to become the type of company we originally envisaged when we saw their business plan 5 months ago. They have met all of their stated goals and objectives and the roll out of the carrier class site in July will be like a re- launch of the company. They have worked very hard at developing quality product/content for the site and that alone will differentiate this business from the many other companies trying to emulate Ebay. The interesting thing about WCollect's emphasis on content is we believe this makes them an attractive take-over target. SNN's understanding of the earlier unconsummated take-over offer was that the potential acquiring company did not have its "ducks-in-a-row" and had too many other issues to deal with to devote the time necessary to complete this deal in a timely fashion. What we were told though, was that it took them only a matter of 2 short meetings to decide they wanted to try and buy WCollect.com It would not surprise SNN if a high quality e commerce company, with a desire to get into the "auction" arena, wouldn't find acquiring WCollect.com a lot better entry point than trying to start such a company from scratch. The stock has bounced from $1.25 in the last 2 days to as high as $2.06 and is presently trading in the $1.80 range. We do see a lot of opportunity for upside here - from what we can tell most of the stock was bought between $3.50 and $4.50 earlier this year, and at present, is probably a safe buy up to the $3.00 range. With the launch of the new expanded and more robust carrier class site in mid-July anything could happen, who knows... maybe another Ebay, only time will tell. Good Luck and Smart Investing for the summer and keep an eye out for our new format next month. How to Unsubscribe from SNN If you wish to unsubscribe to SNN please send an e-mail with the word 'remove' in the subject line and again please make sure the address is the original address this letter was sent to and send it to: Triple222@n2mail.com Disclaimer - SNN or its owners may have a position in and/or be paid a fee by any of the companies it mentions. SNN is NOT a registered investment advisor. SNN advises its readers to always check companies themselves or with a registered advisor or stock broker before buying ANY stock. Most if not all of the companies SNN writes about are companies at the start-up stage and have little no operating history. This makes them a very high risk investment. 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SNN copyright SNN 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 13:44:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A8D151E2; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00440; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:43:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA37475; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:43:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199906240812.BAA57382@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation Cc: freebsd-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, doc@freebsd.org, Nik Clayton Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > * At some point this weekend (to be decided by CVS Rep. Manager John Polstra) > * the doc/ repository will be frozen. It will then be moved aside, and a > * new doc/ repository created. > * > * All the English documentation from the old repository will be copied in to > * its new location in the tree, retaining all the CVS logs, revision > * histories, and so on. > * > * This will be carried out by John. > > Are you sure this will work? As I remember, you can't really "move > aside" an old repository -- people who have the stuff checked out will > have their cvs updates scream at them. But if John says it's ok, I > have no problem with that. What I actually said was, "I should be able to take a look in detail this weekend and hopefully do it." In other words, I haven't yet had time to figure out exactly what Nik wants to do or whether it's OK. Nik caught us at a time when all the repository managers are very busy, and that's just the way things go sometimes. For me it's likely to last through the summer at least. Smaller scale requests are much easier to fit in than large scale requests, and this is the biggest restructuring I've ever seen. Satoshi is right about "moving aside" the old repository -- it can't be done that way. One can copy things (after removing or renaming their tags) and one can "cvs rm" things, but one cannot in general delete things from the repository. Frankly, I've seen enough objections to various aspects of the plan that I don't want to touch it until they're resolved. My job is to fix things in the repository and implement plans that others have agreed upon. I'm not qualified to set policy in the doc tree, so you folks are going to have to work that out first. If you can't come to a resolution that satisfies the interested persons, then you're going to have to try appealing to the core team for a decision. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 15:10: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56B11552C for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA73431; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906242210.PAA73431@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Tim Vanderhoek Subject: Re: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/12372; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Mike Pritchard Cc: sheldonh@FreeBSD.ORG, mika@cs.caltech.edu, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:09:46 -0400 [Cc'd to -bugs instead of -doc] [Re: correct HISTORY of strdup(3)] On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 12:28:58PM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: > > states that strdup first appeared in 4.4BSD. It's been so long > since I used a 4.2 system, I can't remember if it had strdup or > not. Either way, it looks like the HISTORY really is incorrect. Yes, although I think it was listed as "under development" in 43. References: http://man.he.net/man3/strdup http://www.neosoft.com/neosoft/man/strdup.3.html http://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/unix/4.3bsd-net2/lib/libc/string/strdup.3.Z The first reference is a copy of some strdup manpage, I think from Linux. It states that its strdup(3) function is conformant to SVID3 and BSD43. The 2nd and 3rd links are references to a BSD/386 manpage for strdup and to a manpage that appears to be the 43/net2 strdup manpage. Both the 2nd and 3rd links list strdup(3) as "Under development". If Mika (aka. the PR submitter, but Mika is such a cool-sounding name that I needed an excuse to say it twice) is right and it's not in 4.3-Tahoe, then it probably appeared in SVr3 and was quickly copied into 43-Reno (or Net/1). It's rather curious that it appears in SunOS 4.1.1 but not 43BSD, though... A link to a strdup(3) manpage dated Oct. 6, 1987, http://wwwwbs.cs.tu-berlin.de/cgi/rtfm/usr/local/man/man3/string.3 Hmm... Here's another one... This HPUX man seems to state that strdup appeared in SVr2... http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/doc/man/hpux/strxfrm.3c.html Anyways, I'm inclined to place it in SVr2. -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 16:40:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC0B14E0D for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:40:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA29912; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:33:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:33:32 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Kazutaka YOKOTA Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-tech-jp 2283] Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation Message-ID: <19990625003332.A29430@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <199906240812.BAA57382@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <199906241154.UAA20655@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199906241154.UAA20655@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp>; from Kazutaka YOKOTA on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 08:54:52PM +0900 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 08:54:52PM +0900, Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote: > Nik, if you want to name repository directories based on Unix locale > naming convention, please stick with known and common locale names > such as ja_JP.eucJP and ja_JP.SJIS. Fine, not a problem. As long as it's _., and there's a reasonable precedent for it, I don't mind. > Please use eucJP and SJIS rather than EUC-JP and ShiftJIS. Will do. N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 17:20: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905E0152DB for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA82684; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906250020.RAA82684@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Mika Nystrom Subject: Re: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong Reply-To: Mika Nystrom Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/12372; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Mika Nystrom To: mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net, Tim Vanderhoek Cc: sheldonh@FreeBSD.ORG, mika@cs.caltech.edu, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:16:03 -0700 Tim Vanderhoek writes: ... > >If Mika (aka. the PR submitter, but Mika is such a cool-sounding name >that I needed an excuse to say it twice) is right and it's not in :) >4.3-Tahoe, then it probably appeared in SVr3 and was quickly copied >into 43-Reno (or Net/1). It's rather curious that it appears >in SunOS 4.1.1 but not 43BSD, though... > >A link to a strdup(3) manpage dated Oct. 6, 1987, >http://wwwwbs.cs.tu-berlin.de/cgi/rtfm/usr/local/man/man3/string.3 > This looks just like my SunOS man page (notice the reference to the "Sun processor"!) I don't remember if I included the following in my PR: .\" @(#)string.3 1.33 90/02/15 SMI; from UCB 4.2 and S5 The reference to S5 I think ought to account for differences. In case anyone is curious, I include the man page off the TAHOE UNIX tape for reference. This is from a 9-track marked "4.3BSD-tahoe TAHOE UNIX System 7/25/88"---sorry but I can't help much with the SysV.. I powered up an old UNIX PC we have running "UNIX SYSTEM5 3.51m," but it did not have a strdup declared in string.h. Mika >Hmm... Here's another one... This HPUX man seems to state that >strdup appeared in SVr2... >http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/doc/man/hpux/strxfrm.3c.html > >Anyways, I'm inclined to place it in SVr2. > > >-- >This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. .\" Copyright (c) 1980 Regents of the University of California. .\" All rights reserved. The Berkeley software License Agreement .\" specifies the terms and conditions for redistribution. .\" .\" @(#)string.3 6.5 (Berkeley) 10/22/87 .\" .TH STRING 3 "October 22, 1987" .UC 4 .SH NAME strcat, strncat, strcmp, strncmp, strcasecmp, strncasecmp, strcpy, strncpy, strlen, index, rindex \- string operations .SH SYNOPSIS .nf .B #include .PP .B char *strcat(s, append) .B char *s, *append; .PP .B char *strncat(s, append, count) .B char *s, *append; .B int count; .PP .B strcmp(s1, s2) .B char *s1, *s2; .PP .B strncmp(s1, s2, count) .B char *s1, *s2; .B int count; .PP .B strcasecmp(s1, s2) .B char *s1, *s2; .PP .B strncasecmp(s1, s2, count) .B char *s1, *s2; .B int count; .PP .B char *strcpy(to, from) .B char *to, *from; .PP .B char *strncpy(to, from, count) .B char *to, *from; .B int count; .PP .B strlen(s) .B char *s; .PP .B char *index(s, c) .B char *s, c; .PP .B char *rindex(s, c) .B char *s, c; .fi .SH DESCRIPTION These functions operate on null-terminated strings. They do not check for overflow of any receiving string. .PP \fIStrcat\fP appends a copy of string \fIappend\fP to the end of string \fIs\fP. \fIStrncat\fP copies at most \fIcount\fP characters. Both return a pointer to the null-terminated result. .PP \fIStrcmp\fP compares its arguments and returns an integer greater than, equal to, or less than 0, according as \fIs1\fP is lexicographically greater than, equal to, or less than \fIs2\fP. \fIStrncmp\fP makes the same comparison but looks at at most \fIcount\fP characters. \fIStrcasecmp\fP and \fIstrncasecmp\fP are identical in function, but are case insensitive. The returned lexicographic difference reflects a conversion to lower-case. .PP \fIStrcpy\fP copies string \fIfrom\fP to \fIto\fP, stopping after the null character has been moved. \fIStrncpy\fP copies exactly \fIcount\fP characters, appending nulls if \fIfrom\fP is less than \fIcount\fP characters in length; the target may not be null-terminated if the length of \fIfrom\fP is \fIcount\fP or more. Both return \fIto\fP. .PP \fIStrlen\fP returns the number of non-null characters in \fIs\fP. .PP .I Index .RI ( rindex ) returns a pointer to the first (last) occurrence of character \fIc\fP in string \fIs\fP or zero if \fIc\fP does not occur in the string. Setting \fIc\fP to NULL works. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 18:20: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6741914EA7 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA87226; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906250120.SAA87226@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Tim Vanderhoek Subject: Re: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/12372; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Mika Nystrom Cc: mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net, sheldonh@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:14:17 -0400 On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 05:16:03PM -0700, Mika Nystrom wrote: > > This is from a 9-track marked "4.3BSD-tahoe TAHOE UNIX System > 7/25/88"---sorry but I can't help much with the SysV.. I powered > up an old UNIX PC we have running "UNIX SYSTEM5 3.51m," but it did > not have a strdup declared in string.h. Ok, someone will have to tell me what "UNIX SYSTEM5 3.51m," translates into. SVr3? If not, my guess is still SVr2 for the first appearance of strdup(). :) I'm not sure when SVr4 was released, but it was about the same time as SunOS4, so it's less likely they would've copied from that. I'm sure there's someone on this list [-bugs] who knows, and they're going to have to speak-up sooner or later. :-) -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 18:28: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CD6152BF; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA25852; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:27:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca4-28.ix.netcom.com(205.186.212.156) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025834; Thu Jun 24 20:27:31 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id SAA82661; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 18:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906250127.SAA82661@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: nclayton@lehman.com Cc: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk, doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org, cvs@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <19990624111012.L15628@lehman.com> (message from Nik Clayton on Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:10:12 +0100) Subject: Re: FDP Directory Reorganisation From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) References: <19990603195027.A31941@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <37593369.10E2888D@sky.rim.or.jp> <19990607233227.A34938@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906162246.PAA02177@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990617194856.A26011@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906172252.PAA11221@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> <199906181152.EAA24735@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <199906231041.DAA51528@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990623231108.A71294@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906232344.QAA55779@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990624111012.L15628@lehman.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * From: Nik Clayton * Because while the files will only exist in one place in the CVS repository, * they might exist in several places when they are installed. All examples you have given install things in one directory -- the one with the same name as the repository -- and adds various symlinks to make it accessible under different locations. Let me rephrase the question. You said before: > Doesn't apply. I'm not asking that the installation directory change, > just the directory in which it's held in the CVS repository. Can we take this as you are *not* going to change the installation directory as a result of the CVS repository change? As long as manpages and handbooks stay in {man,doc}/ja etc., the impact to ordinary users and the ports collection is minimal and we can live with that. * Consider the Japanese translations. * * Right now we only have one encoding, EUC-JP in the repository. What's * more, we can mechanically convert from EUC to ShiftJIS encoding (at least, * I've been told on this list that we can do that). Yes, mostly. They are basically just different code table -> bit pattern functions for the same language. In fact, the conversion is purely arithmetic so there is a simple mathematical formula to convert between the three. (I.e., you don't even need a table lookup, as will be the case if you want to convert between the three and Unicode, but that's another story.) * Now suppose that you're a Chinese admin, and you've got the choice of * documentation that is available in two different encodings. * * You can install both of them (because the encoding names don't clash) * and use a symlink from /usr/share/doc/zh to point to whichever one you * want to be 'local preferred format'. By the way, are you aware that Mandarin, Cantonese and Taiwanese are actually very different languages? Danish, Swedish and Norwegians are much closer to each other than the four major dialects in China. For instance, Danish, Swedish and Norwegian people can easily understand each other by everyone just speaking their own language -- the same doesn't apply to Chinese. (Although the most of the Shanghainise speakers and some Cantonese speakers are living in the mainland and have been forced to learn Mandarin too -- similar to Polish and Russian until 10 years ago.) So it's really not very likely that your hypothetical "Chinese admin" would want to install documents in both formats and point a "zh" symlink to the "preferred format" -- it's not like many people can understand both anyway. It's much more realistic to treat them as different languages, such as English and Russian. They don't even use the same set of letters. Besides, what you've proven here is that there could be cases where you might want a language plus the territory -- it has nothing to do with encoding/codesets. zh[_CN] and zh_TW would be enough to distinguish between the two (and that's exactly what X/Open is doing as you can see in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale). * Suppose that you have 3 pieces of documentation about printing on Unix. : * with links to all the installed documentation, nicely categorised. * * How cool is that, eh? :-) Cool, but I have no idea what this has to do with the name of language-specific directories. :) * No it's not (as a repository directory name). Directories in the repository * will be encoding the language, location, and encoding. I want this to be * an inviolate rule -- if we need it for one language, then, for future * proofing, we need it for all. You know, I really wish you guys learn more about our languages before making sweeping generalizations like this. The Asian languages are all quite different from European languages in many ways, and they are all more of exceptions than the rule when it comes to language/encoding landscapes. As I said above, "Chinese" is not one language in terms of people being able to understand each other. The differences between the three major encodings in Japanese are much closer than that of Chinese, because they all basically start from the same code table but use different bit patterns to encode them. * Consider what happens as and when we provide a mechanism to mechanically * translate from EUC to ShiftJIS (for example). There are quite a few of those in ports/japanese already.... * I am 100% dead set against this being something like * * ja * ja_JP.ShiftJIS * * directories instead. This is inconsistent with how the rest of the tree * will be organised, and will required kludges anywhere the directory name * is split apart in to its constituent components to take account of the * fact that one of the Japanese directories is named differently. I'm against something like that too. I just don't think any of your strawman arguments hold water in real life. Considering the trivialities of differences in encoding in Japanese, the pain we had to go through when we changed the installation directories last time, and the fragility of locale names (as I said, there are at least five major variants out there today -- ja, ja_JP.EUC, ja_JP.ujis, ja_JP.eucJP, ja_JP.EUC-JP -- all meaning "Japanese EUC"), I am absolutely 100% against changing installation directory names for Japanese documents. If we want to be able to refer to them with different names, the symlinks should be from those longer names to ja, not the other way around. It doesn't make sense to me that you would want to change the CVS repository names for documents without changing installation directories, but if that's what you want, that's your prerogative. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 24 23: 0:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nserv.osp.ru (nserv.osp.ru [194.186.253.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397DC155B3 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ) Received: from nserv.osp.ru.norecode (root@localhost) by nserv.osp.ru (8.8.5/SCO5) with ESMTP id FAA24462 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:03:08 +0400 (MSD) Received: from wopce (p4110.mega.ru [195.161.139.110]) by nserv.osp.ru (8.8.5/SCO5) with SMTP id FAA24165; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:02:39 +0400 (MSD) From: gusucbth@no.FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: met798@crosswinds.net Message-ID: Subject: AMERICAN ENGLISH LANGUAGE -hlefnsve To: uleyhmdc@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:03:00 +0-300 X-Converter-Status: (at nserv.osp.ru) 1) recoding body from "mswin" to "koi8" codeset Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org AMERICAN LANGUAGE CENTER ãåîôò òáúçï÷ïòîïçï áîçìéêóëïçï (ôåL.156-0000 / 159-5734/ 309-5681) íùûìåîéå,ðòïéúîïûåîéå,òåþø MEANS/Cðïóïâù: -- - éÚÕÞÅÎÉÅ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÎÉÑ ÉÄÉÏÍ. - ïÂÕÞÅÎÉÅ ÒÁÚÇÏ×ÏÒÎÏÊ ÇÒÁÍÍÁÔÉËÅ. - óÏ×ÅÒÛÅÎÓÔ×Ï×ÁÎÉÅ ÕÐÏÔÒÅÂÌÅÎÉÑ ÐÒÅÄÌÏÇÏ×. - ðÒÁËÔÉËÁ ÕÓÔÏÊÞÉ×ÙÈ ×ÙÒÁÖÅÎÉÊ É ÆÒÁÚÅÏÌÏÇÉÞÅÓËÉÈ ÏÂÏÒÏÔÏ×. - óÏ×ÅÒÛÅÎÓÔ×Ï×ÁÎÉÅ ÓÔÉÌÑ ÒÅÞÉe. - äÅÌÏ×ÁÑ ÌÅËÓÉËÁ. -- ENDS/òåúõìøôáôù: - áÍÅÒÉËÁÎÓËÏÅ ÐÒÏÉÚÎÏÛÅÎÉÅ. - ïÔÓÕÔÓÔ×ÉÅ ÑÚÙËÏ×ÏÇÏ ÂÁÒØÅÒÁ. - íÙÛÌÅÎÉÅ ÎÁ ÑÚÙËÅ. - ìÅÇËÏÓÔØ × ÏÂÝÅÎÉÉ. -- õîéëáìøîáñ óéóôåíá áóóïãáôé÷îï ïâòáúîïçï íùûìåîéñ ÷óå óôáäéé ïâõþåîéñ ïô îõìñ äï ÷ùóûåçï ó ðòåðïäá÷áôåìñíé éú óûá -- îáéâïìåå ðïìîáñ é ðòïóôáñ íåôïäéëá áîçìéêóëïçï òáúçï÷ïòîïçï ñúùëá Perfect your grammar, prepositons, general and business vocabulary, conversation. õóï÷åòûåîóô÷õêôå ÷áûõ çòáííáôéëõ, ðòåäìïçé, ïâûåõðïôòåâéíõà é äåìï÷õà ìåëóéëõ, Côéìø òåþé. 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CALL NOW! ôåL.156-0000 / 159-5734/ 309-5681 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 0:41:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FF814D33 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:41:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from jrc.it (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5692) with ESMTP id JAA19073 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:41:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <377332B3.935D94F0@jrc.it> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:41:40 +0200 From: Nick Hibma Organization: Joint Research Centre, Italy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en,nl,de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: more links to freensd-doc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It might be useful to add more links to freebsd-doc@freebsd.org to the various pages in the handbook. I often find a small glitch and then get lost in finding some place to send a remark about it to and forget about it. send-pr is not exactly a user friendly mechanism when it comes to spelling out a typo in the manual. It would produce probably a lot of 'bug' fixes for the handbook if it would be present at the bottom of every page, at least in the online version. Nick -- ISIS/STA, T.P.270, Joint Research Centre, 21020 Ispra, Italy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 1:32:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C13B15190 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:32:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10xRPH-0000EK-00; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:32:19 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Mike Pritchard Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Revising the rc.conf-related manpages In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:22:44 EST." <199906241722.MAA16768@mpp.pro-ns.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:32:19 +0200 Message-ID: <887.930299539@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:22:44 EST, Mike Pritchard wrote: > I don't really like it that rc.conf.local is being taken out of the NAME > section. This makes it so 'whatis' rc.conf.local won't direct the user > to this man page, and then they have to go grubbing through /etc trying > to figure out what that file is for, instead of being pointed to this > man page. Well now you know why I mailed. My ruse has been foiled. :-) My understanding is that rc.conf.local is only sourced for backward compatibility, and isn't a meaningful part of modern FreeBSD. Is it used for a specific purpose beyond overriding the defaults? If not, then I think my understanding of the situation is correct and rc.conf is the only overriding file worth mentioning (except for the backward compatibility clause I added). If I'm wrong, then I'd really appreciate a little education. Later, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 1:46:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from firewall2.lehman.com (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8581614D4E; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:46:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nclayton@lehman.com) Received: from relay3.messaging-svcs5.lehman.com by firewall2.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA08512; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990625094611.E15628@lehman.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:46:11 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami Cc: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk, doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org, cvs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FDP Directory Reorganisation References: <19990607233227.A34938@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906162246.PAA02177@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990617194856.A26011@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906172252.PAA11221@vader.cs.berkeley.edu> <199906181152.EAA24735@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <199906231041.DAA51528@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990623231108.A71294@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906232344.QAA55779@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990624111012.L15628@lehman.com> <199906250127.SAA82661@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199906250127.SAA82661@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 06:27:16PM -0700 Organization: Lehman Brothers Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 06:27:16PM -0700, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > * From: Nik Clayton > > * Because while the files will only exist in one place in the CVS repository, > * they might exist in several places when they are installed. > > All examples you have given install things in one directory -- the one > with the same name as the repository -- and adds various symlinks to > make it accessible under different locations. Er, yes. That's what I mean by "they might exist in several places when they are installed". > Let me rephrase the question. You said before: > > > Doesn't apply. I'm not asking that the installation directory change, > > just the directory in which it's held in the CVS repository. > > Can we take this as you are *not* going to change the installation > directory as a result of the CVS repository change? No and yes. No, because the default installation directory (even with the new structure) will stay the same after I've made the change. Yes, in as much as (as the rest of my message explained) I want to give the end-user more flexibility over where the documentation is installed. This will include support for retaining the current installation locations, which will always be available. However, the "yes" code is still some way away, so is not an issue at the moment. > As long as > manpages and handbooks stay in {man,doc}/ja etc., the impact to > ordinary users and the ports collection is minimal and we can live > with that. Yep. When I get a little more time I'm going to write up the end goal and include some proof of concept examples that people can test out before any of it is implemented in stone (as it were). We can then bash these around to sort out a working design. > * Now suppose that you're a Chinese admin, and you've got the choice of > * documentation that is available in two different encodings. > * > * You can install both of them (because the encoding names don't clash) > * and use a symlink from /usr/share/doc/zh to point to whichever one you > * want to be 'local preferred format'. > > By the way, are you aware that Mandarin, Cantonese and Taiwanese are > actually very different languages? Danish, Swedish and Norwegians are > much closer to each other than the four major dialects in China. For > instance, Danish, Swedish and Norwegian people can easily understand > each other by everyone just speaking their own language -- the same > doesn't apply to Chinese. (Although the most of the Shanghainise > speakers and some Cantonese speakers are living in the mainland and > have been forced to learn Mandarin too -- similar to Polish and > Russian until 10 years ago.) Yep. > So it's really not very likely that your hypothetical "Chinese admin" > would want to install documents in both formats and point a "zh" > symlink to the "preferred format" -- it's not like many people can > understand both anyway. It's much more realistic to treat them as > different languages, such as English and Russian. They don't even use > the same set of letters. That is likely, yes. However, if there's one thing that painful experience has taught me is that if you design out a feature from something, you'll implement it, only to discover that people start asking you for the very feature you omitted in the first place. Making it possible to do this (install different encodings, symlink to a preferred default) is fairly easy, and provides some functionality that's quite small but will probably be useful to someone. So I don't want to design it out. > Besides, what you've proven here is that there could be cases where > you might want a language plus the territory -- it has nothing to do > with encoding/codesets. zh[_CN] and zh_TW would be enough to > distinguish between the two (and that's exactly what X/Open is doing > as you can see in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale). What about ja_JP.eucJP and ja_JP.SJIS ? (assuming "eucJP" and "SJIS" are the correct encoding names, which I'm happy to accept) There you need, language, territory, and encoding. As soon as you need it for one you need it for all to keep the directory names consistent. Yes, you don't *have* to make the directory names consistent. But it simplifies code that has to deal with them, makes documenting the standard easier, and takes less 'head space' to deal with. > * Suppose that you have 3 pieces of documentation about printing on Unix. > : > * with links to all the installed documentation, nicely categorised. > * > * How cool is that, eh? :-) > > Cool, but I have no idea what this has to do with the name of > language-specific directories. :) It doesn't. But it's got lots to do with divorcing the location of the documentation in the repository with the location(s) of the documentation when it's installed. Which is what you were originally asking about. >* No it's not (as a repository directory name). Directories in the repository >* will be encoding the language, location, and encoding. I want this to be >* an inviolate rule -- if we need it for one language, then, for future >* proofing, we need it for all. > > You know, I really wish you guys learn more about our languages before > making sweeping generalizations like this. References to good books, articles, and/or web sites to read on the subject would be appreciated. I've done my own research, but not being able to use the languages in question has obviously limited what I can do. To twist the problem around for a second; suppose that we were just starting the doc/ repository, but that we already had a body of English, Japanese, and Chinese documentation (in two encodings), available, and ready to import in to the repository. Suppose, also, that you were aware that Unicode was hovering on the horizon, and would need to be supported some time down the line, preferably with as little upheaval as possible. Knowing that, how would you design the doc/ repository? My contention is that, with all that hindsight, you would choose to segregate the docs by language, territory, and encoding, to try and be as future proof as possible. That's what I'm trying to do. The problem is the legacy repository, and the effort involved in moving things around. > * Consider what happens as and when we provide a mechanism to mechanically > * translate from EUC to ShiftJIS (for example). > > There are quite a few of those in ports/japanese already.... That's useful information. Cheers. N -- --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 2:45:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from firewall2.lehman.com (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723E11551B; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:45:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nclayton@lehman.com) Received: from relay3.messaging-svcs5.lehman.com by firewall2.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA03107; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990625104500.F15628@lehman.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:45:00 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jun Kuriyama , doc@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation References: <19990623231441.N42442@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <37724BD3.D1C377CC@sky.rim.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <37724BD3.D1C377CC@sky.rim.or.jp>; from Jun Kuriyama on Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 12:16:35AM +0900 Organization: Lehman Brothers Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 12:16:35AM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: > > I will then RE-IMPORT the non-English docs into the tree into the new > > directories. This means that all the non-English docs will revert to > > revision 1.1 when you next see them. > > I don't like this. Commit logs for Japanese files include many > "Submitted by:" record which has contributor's name. If it is possible, > I want it to be reserved. OK. There's two bits of information here. The first is the record that has submitted changes to the documentation. This is relatively easy to preserve, and actually should be, probably as another section in "Contributors to FreeBSD" chapter. Certainly the members of the translation teams that have put so much effort in to translating the documentation should be recognised, and I have absolutely no problem with that whatsoever. The second is tieing to a specific piece of translation. If we're starting the non-English repositories from scratch this is obviously much more difficult. Note that it's not impossible. I am prepared to take a local copy of the CVS tree, generates diffs for *every single version* of the translated documentation, and then recommit it with the original commit message, including the "Submitted by" line. Obviously, we'd lose the record of who did the actual commit (because it would be me) and the precise time that the commit happened would be lost. But the CVS deltas would be preserved. As I say, if you want that, I'll do it (although it's a lot more work. . .) Which would the Japanese team like (and, to the other translation teams reading this, I'm prepared to make the same effort for your docs as well, if that's what you want). > > [1] There are two changes to that message. In conjunction with the recently > > committed change that moved /usr/share/local/zh_TW.BIG5 to zh_TW.Big5, > > the "Big5" variant will be used in the new repository as well. > > > > And after comments from the Japanese Doc. Proj., the directory for > > Japanese docs in the repository will be ja_JP.EUC-JP. > > Is it difficult to keep it as "ja"? Yes. To reiterate, here's some functionality that I want to add that would not be possible if it stays as "ja". Two encodings, eucJP and SJIS. We can mechanically convert between the two, however, the Japanese team have decided that the primary format will be eucJP. That does not preclude a Japanese admin from wanting to install docs in the SJIS encoding. They might want to install these docs *instead of* the eucJP docs, or they might want to install these docs *as well as* the eucJP docs. So, we need a way of allowing the admin to install documentation in two formats. Well, we could do this by defaulting to "ja", and installing the SJIS docs in to somewhere like ".../docs/ja_JP.SJIS". But then we've got two directories, one called "ja", one called "ja_JP.SJIS". More consistent would be to install one in to ".../docs/ja_JP.eucJP" and the other in to ".../docs/ja_JP.SJIS". The admin can then use whichever one they prefer, and, if they have a local preference as to which one they want as a default then can make a symlink from ".../docs/ja" to point to whichever one of those directories they prefer. That's the argument for (eventually) allowing the encoding name to appear in the installation directory -- but please note that the "ja" name will still be retained, so ports and other things don't need to be changed to cope with this. What's the argument for separating the directories in the CVS repository? Suppose that we only had Japanese in there, in a "doc/ja" directory, encoded with eucJP. In that directory is a Makefile, supporting the standard targets (all, install, clean, etc). Everything works fine. This is pretty much what we have now. Suppose you want to provide hooks to let the admin automatically convert the docs from eucJP to SJIS. As Satoshi points out, we have tools in the ports tree that can do this. How do you do it? Well, the simplest approach is probably to patch the Makefile. Add a new variable (perhaps called ${ENCODING}, or something like that) that holds the default encoding. And add a test in the Makefile that says something like "If ${ENCODING} is 'SJIS' then run the docs through the encoding converter first, and then convert them to HTML or whatever". Nice and simple. But also wrong. The interface exposed by the Makefile has changed. Instead of just being able to do "make install" you now have this ${ENCODING} variable which you might need to set. But, it's not the end of the world. It'll still work -- you might need to write a bit more documentation about it to explain how it works, and it breaks POLA a little bit, but we've done worse. Now introduce English language docs in to the equation. Well, not a lot changes. The English language docs can be in the repository under ".../doc/en", which is what we have now. OK, so the Makefile for the English docs won't support the ${ENCODING} variable. So there's now a small difference between the interface exported by the two different Makefiles. But it's not really a big deal, you can live with it. By now you've probably written a top level Makefile to help you build the documentation. It probably has a ${LANG} variable containing "en ja", which it uses to iterate over the subdirectories. Also, there's probably a test to see if ${LANG} is "ja", and if it is to build the docs twice, once with ${ENCODING} set to eucJP, and once with it set to SJIS. Of course, the English languages docs don't need this test. You can see how trying to keep all the Japanese encodings under one directory is starting to cause small kludges and work arounds to appear elsewhere, right? But, it all still works, pretty much. It's not completely intuitive, and there are small foibles to bite the unwary who don't read the Makefile source, but it's all working, and people have got used to it. Now introduce Chinese in to the picture. Things start getting more complicated. Suppose that we have just one translation of the Chinese documents (say, 'Big5'). Well, that's not a problem, we can just stick them under "doc/zh", and carry on as normal. Indeed you can. And then someone comes along with the Chinese documentation translated in to the other encoding format. Shit. What do you do? Well, you can't do the same thing you did for the Japanese docs. As others have pointed out, you can't mechanically translate between the two encodings. You're actually going to have to store this documentation somewhere in the CVS tree. How do you do it? Well, you could put it under zh/. Create two new directories under there, big5/ and euc/ perhaps. Then move the existing docs under the big5/ directory, and import the new docs under euc/. OK, that'll work. But suddenly you're supporting encoding information for two different languages (Japanese and Chinese) in two completely different ways. The code in your Makefiles is going to be different, which is a pain to maintain, and you've got to document these two approaches, so that other people don't get bitten by them. Hmm. Is there a better way? Well, you could create a new top level directory, say zh_EUC or something like that, and import the docs under there instead. So now you've got a "zh/" and a "zh_EUC/" directory. It's not particularly clean, and it's different from how you've handled the Japanese encoding issues, but hey, it works, so what the hell. The above might look a little bit familiar :-) I want to break out of this cycle, and impose a cleaner structure, one that should be more future proof than what we have at the moment, be internally consistent, easier to code, easier to document, and ready for Unicode when the time comes. Whichever way we do this is going to cause some pain. It should probably have been done a few years ago -- I should certainly have raised this sooner, and in my defence I'll offer up the DocBook conversion, which took a large chunk of my available FreeBSD time. The more we postpone this, the more painful it'll be when the time comes. I'd like to bite the bullet and get on with it. > As Satoshi said, we need more discussion for correct encoding name. Subject to the proviso that it starts "ja_JP." I'm not fussed what the encoding name is, and you and the other translators are in a much better position to suggest the right thing than I am, so I'll go with your choice. The two favourites at the moment seem to be "eucJP" and "SJIS". N -- --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 3: 9:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from asuka.snipe.rim.or.jp (tiger.yamanashi-med.ac.jp [202.35.241.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B5A155E5; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:09:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp) Received: from daemon.snipe.rim.or.jp (daemon.snipe.rim.or.jp [172.16.20.38]) by asuka.snipe.rim.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id TAA53505; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:11:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from daemon.snipe.rim.or.jp (localhost.snipe.rim.or.jp [127.0.0.1]) by daemon.snipe.rim.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id TAA71704; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:11:35 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199906251011.TAA71704@daemon.snipe.rim.or.jp> To: Nik Clayton Cc: Jun Kuriyama , doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation X-Mailer: mh-e on Mule 2.3 / Emacs 19.34.1 References: <19990623231441.N42442@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <37724BD3.D1C377CC@sky.rim.or.jp> <19990625104500.F15628@lehman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:11:35 +0900 From: Motoyuki Konno Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > I will then RE-IMPORT the non-English docs into the tree into the new > > > directories. This means that all the non-English docs will revert to > > > revision 1.1 when you next see them. > > > > I don't like this. Commit logs for Japanese files include many > > "Submitted by:" record which has contributor's name. If it is possible, > > I want it to be reserved. > > OK. There's two bits of information here. > > The first is the record that has submitted changes to the > documentation. This is relatively easy to preserve, and actually should > be, probably as another section in "Contributors to FreeBSD" chapter. > Certainly the members of the translation teams that have put so much effort > in to translating the documentation should be recognised, and I have > absolutely no problem with that whatsoever. [snip] > Obviously, we'd lose the record of who did the actual commit (because it > would be me) and the precise time that the commit happened would be lost. > But the CVS deltas would be preserved. I cannot understand why you want to do such a complicated way. "Repository copy" is much more easier, I think. > > Is it difficult to keep it as "ja"? > > Yes. To reiterate, here's some functionality that I want to add that would > not be possible if it stays as "ja". > > Two encodings, eucJP and SJIS. We can mechanically convert between the > two, however, the Japanese team have decided that the primary format > will be eucJP. > > That does not preclude a Japanese admin from wanting to install docs in the > SJIS encoding. They might want to install these docs *instead of* the > eucJP docs, or they might want to install these docs *as well as* the eucJP > docs. Japanese users use eucJP, SJIS and ISO2022-JP at the same time. Because most of Japanese utility automaticaly convert the encodings. # For example, mule (Multilingual Emacs) can display eucJP, SJIS, #and ISO2022-JP encoding document at the same time on the same window. > So, we need a way of allowing the admin to install documentation in two > formats. So, It is NEEDLESS at all. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motoyuki Konno mkonno@res.yamanashi-med.ac.jp (Univ) motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp (Home) motoyuki@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Project) Yamanashi Medical University http://www.freebsd.org/~motoyuki/ (WWW) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 3:14: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3C4155E5; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:14:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA57464; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:13:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Motoyuki Konno Cc: Nik Clayton , Jun Kuriyama , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:11:35 +0900." <199906251011.TAA71704@daemon.snipe.rim.or.jp> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:13:44 -0700 Message-ID: <57461.930305624@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So, It is NEEDLESS at all. Not to jump in the middle of an argument, but I should note that Nik has presented a number of reasonable points in his message and simply dismissing them all with a single-line reply of this nature does not, I believe, do the poster credit. A more adequate rebuttal is called for. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 3:21:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6656A1516A; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA12029; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:21:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca44-84.ix.netcom.com(209.111.212.212) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012015; Fri Jun 25 05:20:51 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id DAA01960; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906251020.DAA01960@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com Cc: motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp, nclayton@lehman.com, kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org In-reply-to: <57461.930305624@zippy.cdrom.com> (jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) References: <57461.930305624@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" * * > So, It is NEEDLESS at all. * * Not to jump in the middle of an argument, but I should note that Nik * has presented a number of reasonable points in his message and simply * dismissing them all with a single-line reply of this nature does not, * I believe, do the poster credit. A more adequate rebuttal is called * for. Um, Konno-san clearly quoted the part of Nik's message he's arguing against, offered a two-paragraph explanation (which you omitted in your quote) why he thinks it is useless, and offered this conclusion after another quote (Nik's mini-conclusion on that point). Dismissing *that* as a "single-line reply" is indeed quite a leap in my opinion. :) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 3:24:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AE615298; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:24:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA57549; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:24:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) Cc: motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp, nclayton@lehman.com, kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:20:44 PDT." <199906251020.DAA01960@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:24:36 -0700 Message-ID: <57545.930306276@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Um, Konno-san clearly quoted the part of Nik's message he's arguing > against, offered a two-paragraph explanation (which you omitted in All true, but what I was alluding to was the fact that there was so much of the rest of Nik's message which he *didn't* reply to. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 3:25:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mpp.pro-ns.net (mpp.pro-ns.net [208.200.182.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46D11516A for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.pro-ns.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA33825; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:23:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) From: Mike Pritchard Message-Id: <199906251023.FAA33825@mpp.pro-ns.net> Subject: Re: Revising the rc.conf-related manpages In-Reply-To: <887.930299539@axl.noc.iafrica.com> from Sheldon Hearn at "Jun 25, 1999 10:32:19 am" To: sheldonh@uunet.co.za (Sheldon Hearn) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:23:34 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:22:44 EST, Mike Pritchard wrote: > > > I don't really like it that rc.conf.local is being taken out of the NAME > > section. This makes it so 'whatis' rc.conf.local won't direct the user > > to this man page, and then they have to go grubbing through /etc trying > > to figure out what that file is for, instead of being pointed to this > > man page. > > Well now you know why I mailed. My ruse has been foiled. :-) > > My understanding is that rc.conf.local is only sourced for backward > compatibility, and isn't a meaningful part of modern FreeBSD. Is it > used for a specific purpose beyond overriding the defaults? > > If not, then I think my understanding of the situation is correct and > rc.conf is the only overriding file worth mentioning (except for the > backward compatibility clause I added). > > If I'm wrong, then I'd really appreciate a little education. All I know is that /etc/rc/defaults/rc.conf still sources it. If we no longer encourage use of it, then it should still be mentioned in the man page, but a note should be made indicating that it is a depreciated interface and may go away in a future release. When we actually stop using the file, then all references to it should disappear from the man pages. Until then, I feel it should stay with an explanation of why it shouldn't be used. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.ORG or mpp@mpp.pro-ns.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 3:30: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F17214C03 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:29:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10xTEi-0001cy-00; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:29:32 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Mike Pritchard Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Revising the rc.conf-related manpages In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:23:34 EST." <199906251023.FAA33825@mpp.pro-ns.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:29:32 +0200 Message-ID: <6258.930306572@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:23:34 EST, Mike Pritchard wrote: > When we actually stop using the file, then all references to it > should disappear from the man pages. Until then, I feel it should > stay with an explanation of why it shouldn't be used. I agree with you. However, I'm trying to find out if the file /etc/rc.conf.local is actually used for anything different from what the file /etc/rc.conf is used for in modern FreeBSD systems. If it isn't, then it's not part of modern FreeBSD, the only reason we source it is to protect legacy configurations and it doesn't deserve any mention beyond what I propose in my patch. I'm looking for feedback on the first of those two paragraphs, not so much for the second. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 3:40: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3635814C03 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 5723 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 1999 10:39:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19990625103907.5722.qmail@nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.59 by nwcst314 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Fri Jun 25 10:39:07 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 03:39:07 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Mike Pritchard Subject: Re: [Re: Survey: online documentation 15% incorrect] Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Pritchard wrote: > > Document: Documentation errors in FreeBSD > > Run Date: 6/17/99 > > Description: The following is a listing of incomplete, ambigous or > > failed references for FreeBSD using whatit(1) and = > > man(1). > > This survey was conducted using FreeBSD 3.1. > > = > > A complete Listing can be found at: > > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hub/8031/psuedo-indicators/fbsduti= ls.html > > = > > Score: > > directory no reference ambigous reference other total availabl= e > > /bin 0 1 1 2 3= 2 > > /sbin 8 5 0 13 8= 2 > > /usr/bin 42 33 0 75 39= 4 > > /usr/sbin 8 7 2 17 18= 3 > > ---- ---= - > > total total 107 69= 1 > > = > > Final Score 107.0/691.0 =3D 0.1548 (1= 5.5%) > = > I took a look through this list and by my count only about 55 of > the references are bogus or incorrect or ambiguous. A number of them in= = > your list are producing exactly what they should be. Some others > have been fixed in -current already. > = "exactly what they should be" is ambigous in itself. As this is the question I was begging. I expect a response as what you have outline. = My point in doing this was to have a place to cut back files on a custom install. I didn't know where to start so I took this as the best way. = I posted the results in the hopes that someone like yourself would make a decent attempt at resonding to some of the issues. Plainly many of the problems (or misusderstanding) stem for historical reason. = The are many fixes I would recommend so I'll list them as you have them below. > There are a handful of man pages with links to other man pages that do > not show the links in the NAME/SYSNOPSIS section. I'm going to go fix > the easy ones right now. > = Thank you. > A number of man pages/commands are links for historical names for = > commands, > which have been replaced by new/GNU replacements and the man pages > reflect > the updated versions, not the historical name for the command. These = > should probably be fixed, too. 'man cc' is a good example. You get > what you need - the gcc man page. I've never been sure what we should = > do with these. > = I have a proposal that all new man pages carry a historical section in them. I could suggest a format, but I think = the matter is open for dicussion and I'll let others make suggestions. = In any case, the historical section needs to be implemented for all utilities includind those depricated. This section should, of course, lead to (or mention) a section of man pages that lists the old man pages. This being there so if there is any question reference is available. Install time issues are a seperate can of worms I'll leave unopened at this time. > One interesting problem your survery points out is that > whatis/makewh= atis > get confused about inetd.conf and inetd. It lists them both as section= > 5 man pages, when only inetd is section 8. This is because > the inetd Makefile MLINKS inetd.8 to inetd.conf.5. There are > probably a few other commands that might be doing this. I'll have > to look at this closer. = > Sounds like an uninitialized variable to me. = > Then there are the commands without manual pages, which is just plain > wrong. > Yes, I was surprised to find them. 8-O -- Another suggestion I'd like to make is that = apropos(1) and whatis(1) not perform similar functions. This seems to be a useless feature. apropos(1), as the word suggests, should return those that seem apporpriate; while whatis(1) should be more defined, at the very least it should return items on a scoring system, not alphabetical such as is. Most notably is perl(1) returns far to man items to be useful. = -- Another point is aliased program. I think we can = all recall the amazing discovery that '[' and 'test' are one and the same. However, this is not obvious even when reading the man pages. -- For both of these I would suggest new options to apropos(1). One option would be to list all aliases, as used in the file system. Another option would be to list all depricated facilities. This one absolutely needs to be done. -- The last suggestion I'll make is to add "section" definitions in the man(1). Currently, one must know (or guess) the sections. This is useful especially with fsinfo(1) and fsinfo(8). --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 3:51: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay03.netaddress.usa.net (relay03.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E3A415653 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:51:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 26906 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 10:51:04 -0000 Received: from www0t.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.49) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 10:51:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 18870 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 1999 10:51:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990625105100.18869.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.49 by www0t via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Fri Jun 25 10:51:00 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 03:51:00 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [Re: docs/11852: 3.X install requires 12MB of RAM, not 8] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org wrote: > Synopsis: 3.X install requires 12MB of RAM, not 8 > = > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->jkh > Responsible-Changed-By: nik > Responsible-Changed-When: Fri May 28 16:46:15 PDT 1999 > Responsible-Changed-Why: = > Installs are Jordan's area. I don't recall seeing the install > requirements goup, but if he says that they have then this can > be re-assign to freebsd-doc to be documented. > = > = I don't see this. I've been able to run 486s with 8megs of RAM and am willing to confirm this again. In either case, I have machines listed at: http://www.mozie.com/projects/buds/index.html Thes machines are currently running without issue. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 4: 9:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from firewall1.lehman.com (firewall1.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD271569C; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:09:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nclayton@lehman.com) Received: from relay3.messaging-svcs5.lehman.com by firewall1.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA14658; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990625120831.H15628@lehman.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:08:31 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Motoyuki Konno Cc: Jun Kuriyama , doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation References: <19990623231441.N42442@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <37724BD3.D1C377CC@sky.rim.or.jp> <19990625104500.F15628@lehman.com> <199906251011.TAA71704@daemon.snipe.rim.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199906251011.TAA71704@daemon.snipe.rim.or.jp>; from Motoyuki Konno on Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 07:11:35PM +0900 Organization: Lehman Brothers Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 07:11:35PM +0900, Motoyuki Konno wrote: > [snip] > > Obviously, we'd lose the record of who did the actual commit (because it > > would be me) and the precise time that the commit happened would be lost. > > But the CVS deltas would be preserved. > > I cannot understand why you want to do such a complicated way. > "Repository copy" is much more easier, I think. I agree with you in theory. However, John Polstra, one of the repository managers, has already said that his free time to do this work is limited, and that repository copies are fiddly anyway, with the increase of risk involved. So he asked me to come up with a way that minimises the number of repository copies that are necessary. Which is what I've done. Obviously, there's a trade off in terms of the information that can be preserved if you can't do a repository copy, and what I'm trying to do is strike the right balance between what we keep and what we lose. Keep in mind that either approach involves (essentially) rebuilding the doc/ repository from scratch. My original approach would retain just the histories for the English docs. The second approach would retain the logs of what changes were made, and the commit messages, but wouldn't retain information (in the log's internal format) of when the changes were made or who by. That may or may not be acceptable. The third approach, which retains all the information, would be a repository copy, but JDP has already indicated that he is strongly opposed to doing that, and knowing the amount of work involved I can totally empathise with this viewpoint. If there's another alternative that I haven't considered, I'm more than willing to hear it. [ Of course, "Forget about it" isn't, IMHO, an option. This issue will keep coming up as the repository gets bigger and we have more translations in it -- the bigger the repository, the more pain and effort involved in making the switch. ] N -- --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 4:30: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst290.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst290.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A794E156C8 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 517 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 1999 11:36:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990625113610.516.qmail@nwcst290.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.35 by nwcst290 via web-mailer(M3.2.0.17) on Fri Jun 25 11:36:10 GMT 1999 Date: 25 Jun 99 04:36:10 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [Re: docs/10088: Documentation search results] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.2.0.17) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org wrote: > Synopsis: Documentation search results > = > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: nik > State-Changed-When: Fri Jun 4 15:51:56 PDT 1999 > State-Changed-Why: = > This request has been noted on the Projects page. > Hopefully someone will be inclined to pick it up. > = I'm willing to take a stab at it, but don't expect to have time for it until mid-july. If this is acceptable, point me in the right direction. --- "I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, = pop-up-happy dungeon like NT." http://www.performancecomputing.com/features/9809of1.shtml ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 5:22:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns11.rim.or.jp (ns11.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1782414BDD; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:22:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp) Received: from rayearth.rim.or.jp (rayearth.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.242]) by ns11.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.5Wpl2-ns11/RIMNET-2) with ESMTP id VAA01449; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:21:40 +0900 (JST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rayearth.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.5Wpl2-uucp1/RIMNET) with UUCP id VAA23652; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:21:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from sakura.snipe.rim.or.jp (sakura.snipe.rim.or.jp [192.168.11.4]) by mserver.snipe.rim.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id VAA66941; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:20:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from sakura.snipe.rim.or.jp (localhost.snipe.rim.or.jp [127.0.0.1]) by sakura.snipe.rim.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id VAA22552; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:20:54 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199906251220.VAA22552@sakura.snipe.rim.or.jp> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , Jun Kuriyama , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation X-Mailer: mh-e on Mule 2.3 / Emacs 19.34.1 References: <57461.930305624@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:20:54 +0900 From: Motoyuki Konno Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > Not to jump in the middle of an argument, but I should note that Nik > has presented a number of reasonable points in his message and simply > dismissing them all with a single-line reply of this nature does not, > I believe, do the poster credit. A more adequate rebuttal is called > for. OK, I'll explain more. A. Why 'ja' is better than 'ja.*' ---------------------------------- In Japan, we use three major encoding methods. o JIS : primary encoding method for e-mail, NetNews. o SJIS : short from "Shift-JIS". MSDOS/Windows computers use this encoding method. o EUC : EUC is short from "Extended UNIX Code". Many UNIX workstation use this encoding method by default. These are encoding systems, not character set. JIS, SJIS and EUC are same character set. The conversion between three is very easy and purely arithmetic. So, most of Japanese utility can handle these three encoding methods. For example, we can read/write JIS, SJIS, EUC documents at the same time on the same window of mule (multiligual enhanced GNU emacs). # I write e-mail in JIS, read online manual written in EUC, read # DOS-related documents in SJIS at the same time.... Nik wrote: > That does not preclude a Japanese admin from wanting to install docs in the > SJIS encoding. They might want to install these docs *instead of* the > eucJP docs, or they might want to install these docs *as well as* the eucJP > docs. Because most (almost all) of Japanese utility can handle EUC, SJIS and JIS at the same time, your idea is not true. Japanese admin *never* want to install docs in SJIS encoding as well as the docs in EUC. It is only a waste of disk space!! B. Why Japanese doc team do not want 'ja' -> 'ja_JP.EUC' --------------------------------------------------------- One reason is that the cost of change is quite large. 'ja_JP.EUC' -> 'ja' change was *only* one year ago. Japanese doc team and ports team paid the cost. We agreed the change because it is reasonable (as I explained above). I cannot understand why we (FreeBSD doc team) have to move the doc location again. Another reason is that the "encoding system" is not essential in Japanese document (as I explained above). -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motoyuki Konno mkonno@res.yamanashi-med.ac.jp (Univ) motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp (Home) motoyuki@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Project) Yamanashi Medical University http://www.freebsd.org/~motoyuki/ (WWW) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 6:20: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1D714BDC for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA60531; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from logatome.micronet.fr (logatome-2.francenet.fr [193.149.96.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D5F14BDC for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:17:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Sebastien.Gioria@FranceNet.fr) Received: from gioria.dialup.FranceNet.fr (eku28.francenet.fr [193.149.97.60]) by logatome.micronet.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18489 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:15:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gioria.dialup.FranceNet.fr (Postfix, from userid 42) id 4D37B1FFFF; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:17:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <19990625131708.4D37B1FFFF@gioria.dialup.FranceNet.fr> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:17:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Sebastien Gioria Reply-To: Sebastien Gioria To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/12391: cvsup.fr.FreeBSD.ORG is not in the handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 12391 >Category: docs >Synopsis: cvsup.fr.FreeBSD.ORG is not in the handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jun 25 06:20:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Sebastien GIORIA >Release: >Organization: FreeBSD - The power to serve >Environment: >Description: The French cvsup mirror is not listed in the list of cvsup mirror in the handbook. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- chapter.sgml.orig Fri Jun 25 15:10:57 1999 +++ chapter.sgml Fri Jun 25 15:13:30 1999 @@ -1031,6 +1031,20 @@ + + + France + + + + + cvsup.fr.FreeBSD.ORG (maintainer + hostmaster@fr.FreeBSD.ORG) + + + + + Germany >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 6:41:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.lenzlink.net (mail.lenzlink.net [4.18.19.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6DC14F68 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:40:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cmssdd@lenzlink.net) Received: from lenzlink.net (jst70.lenzlink.net [4.18.19.169]) by mail.lenzlink.net (8.9.2/8.9.2 (etb)) with SMTP id JAA23198 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906251340.JAA23198@mail.lenzlink.net> From: BlueStar POS 800-768-2049 To: Subject: Liniux Point of Sale Hardware Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Linux Point of Sale Hardware & Software Solutions. 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Chris....800-786-2049 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 7:10:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from firewall1.lehman.com (firewall1.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D7714E16; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nclayton@lehman.com) Received: from relay3.messaging-svcs5.lehman.com by firewall1.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA23951; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990625150942.K15628@lehman.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:09:42 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Motoyuki Konno , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Jun Kuriyama , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation References: <57461.930305624@zippy.cdrom.com> <199906251220.VAA22552@sakura.snipe.rim.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199906251220.VAA22552@sakura.snipe.rim.or.jp>; from Motoyuki Konno on Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:20:54PM +0900 Organization: Lehman Brothers Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:20:54PM +0900, Motoyuki Konno wrote: > A. Why 'ja' is better than 'ja.*' > ---------------------------------- Thanks, that's all useful information, and it would've been handy a couple of months ago. However. . . > One reason is that the cost of change is quite large. > 'ja_JP.EUC' -> 'ja' change was *only* one year ago. Japanese doc > team and ports team paid the cost. We agreed the change because > it is reasonable (as I explained above). I'm not moving the *installed* location at all. Could people please understand this. I am moving the location WITHIN THE CVS REPOSITORY. As other messages from me have explained, there will not be a 1:1 mapping between locations in the CVS repository and locations in the installation directory. One file in the CVS repository will probably end up being installed (actually, symlinked) to various places in the installation tree, depending on the value of various variables. The change is to promote consistency at all levels of the CVS tree so that the vast majority of the code within the Makefile's can be common, instead of needing lots of special case handling for all the different languages and encodings. Just to make this completely clear; 1. After making the change I am proposing, the Japanese documentation will *still* install into a .../doc/ja/ directory. No change. 2. At some point in the future (when it's written, debugged, and tested), *all* the docs will install into a variant of .../doc/_./. Symlinks will be used to ensure that this approach allows an admin to be 100% compatible with the current mechanism, while affording those admins that want it to be more flexible. Yes, this is a change, but I guarantee that when this change does happen that the default will be to ensure that any symlinks necessary for compatability will be retained. The admin will have to make conscious changes to break compatability. N -- --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 7:30: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C5814CA6 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA35580; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906251430.HAA35580@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Garrett Wollman Subject: Re: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong Reply-To: Garrett Wollman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/12372; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Garrett Wollman To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: Mike Pritchard , sheldonh@FreeBSD.ORG, mika@cs.caltech.edu, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/12372: man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:20:50 -0400 (EDT) < said: > Hmm... Here's another one... This HPUX man seems to state that > strdup appeared in SVr2... > http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/doc/man/hpux/strxfrm.3c.html > Anyways, I'm inclined to place it in SVr2. It is definitely not in 4.3BSD (I checked our sources here). All of the str* functions, except for str(n)cat, str(n)cmp, str(n)cpy, and strlen, have implementations in the lib/libc/compat-sys5 directory. That directory also includes a family of str???n functions which completely null-fill the remainder of their target buffers. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 9:56:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D4115736; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:56:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05291; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:55:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA39538; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:55:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990625120831.H15628@lehman.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation Cc: jdp@freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, doc@freebsd.org, Jun Kuriyama , Motoyuki Konno Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > I agree with you in theory. However, John Polstra, one of the > repository managers, has already said that his free time to do this > work is limited, and that repository copies are fiddly anyway, with > the increase of risk involved. ... > If there's another alternative that I haven't considered, I'm more > than willing to hear it. I have an idea. You need this done but aren't allowed to do it. And I'm allowed to do it but don't have time to do it. Maybe we can solve this dilemma by shifting more of the work onto your shoulders. :-) - You resolve the disagreements with the Japanese docs team. (It sounds like progress is being made.) - I impose a freeze on the doc repository tree. - You tar it up and extract a copy onto your own machine or into your home directory on freefall. - Working in your local copy, you arrange the tree the way you want it. The rules are: - You can't delete, rename, or modify any existing files or directories. - Directories must be mode 775 - Files must be mode 444 - When you're happy with your local copy, you tar it up and give it to me. - I check it over, fix up the tags (if any) and other-RCS related things, and install it in the master repository. - I unfreeze the doc tree. How about that? --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 11: 1:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E641559E; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:01:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA67626; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:01:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Motoyuki Konno Cc: Nik Clayton , Jun Kuriyama , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:20:54 +0900." <199906251220.VAA22552@sakura.snipe.rim.or.jp> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:01:36 -0700 Message-ID: <67622.930333696@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > OK, I'll explain more. > > A. Why 'ja' is better than 'ja.*' OK, so the Japanese folks have some sort of auto-conversion. That takes care of strictly the Japanese language, but what about the Chinese folks or the others that Nik pointed out? It seemed to me that he was looking for a much wider convention here, not just a solution to the ja problem. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 13: 8: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393EF15095; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:08:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA43269; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:08:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:08:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199906252008.NAA43269@freefall.freebsd.org> To: gioria@freebsd.org, pb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/12391: cvsup.fr.FreeBSD.ORG is not in the handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: cvsup.fr.FreeBSD.ORG is not in the handbook State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: pb State-Changed-When: Fri Jun 25 13:07:14 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 15:33:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D171559E; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA22795; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:32:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca44-84.ix.netcom.com(209.111.212.212) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma022712; Fri Jun 25 17:32:14 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id PAA04362; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906252232.PAA04362@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com Cc: motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp, nclayton@lehman.com, kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org In-reply-to: <67622.930333696@zippy.cdrom.com> (jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) References: <67622.930333696@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" * * > OK, I'll explain more. * > * > A. Why 'ja' is better than 'ja.*' * * OK, so the Japanese folks have some sort of auto-conversion. That * takes care of strictly the Japanese language, but what about the * Chinese folks or the others that Nik pointed out? It seemed to me * that he was looking for a much wider convention here, not just a * solution to the ja problem. As I said before, some languages are different from others and trying to apply a single hammer on them all is not suitable. If you are optimizing for one language while pessimizing for another, what is the point in the unified convention? That said, *if* we need them all to look uniform, I propose we use <_territory> (as I said before). None of the examples Nik stated show why we need the <.codeset> part. We've already shown why including that information hurts the Japanese docs. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 16:12:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DE715290; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:12:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA06355; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:11:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca44-84.ix.netcom.com(209.111.212.212) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006330; Fri Jun 25 18:11:09 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id QAA04505; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906252311.QAA04505@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: nclayton@lehman.com Cc: motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org In-reply-to: <19990625150942.K15628@lehman.com> (message from Nik Clayton on Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:09:42 +0100) Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) References: <57461.930305624@zippy.cdrom.com> <199906251220.VAA22552@sakura.snipe.rim.or.jp> <19990625150942.K15628@lehman.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * From: Nik Clayton * On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:20:54PM +0900, Motoyuki Konno wrote: * > A. Why 'ja' is better than 'ja.*' * > ---------------------------------- * * * * Thanks, that's all useful information, and it would've been handy a couple * of months ago. However. . . * * > One reason is that the cost of change is quite large. * > 'ja_JP.EUC' -> 'ja' change was *only* one year ago. Japanese doc * > team and ports team paid the cost. We agreed the change because * > it is reasonable (as I explained above). * * I'm not moving the *installed* location at all. Could people please * understand this. * * I am moving the location WITHIN THE CVS REPOSITORY. * * As other messages from me have explained, there will not be a 1:1 mapping * between locations in the CVS repository and locations in the installation * directory. One file in the CVS repository will probably end up being * installed (actually, symlinked) to various places in the installation * tree, depending on the value of various variables. * * The change is to promote consistency at all levels of the CVS tree so that * the vast majority of the code within the Makefile's can be common, instead * of needing lots of special case handling for all the different languages * and encodings. I really don't understand what the name of the repository directories have to do with this. The entire "[<_territory>][<.codeset>]" name is just one single string. Unless you are planning to write code to break it into pieces and interpret each piece separately (which nobody does currently, AFAIK), having ja sitting alongside zh_CN and en_UK.ISO_8859-1 shouldn't make any difference at all. (Have you seen /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale?) You still need to find out what the installation directories should be (maybe that is going to default to the repository directory's name), and some way to override them from individual Makefiles or the environment to suit the individual site's need. The only difference I see is what goes into individual Makefiles, not in the framework (*.mk files). * Just to make this completely clear; * * 1. After making the change I am proposing, the Japanese documentation * will *still* install into a .../doc/ja/ directory. * * No change. * * 2. At some point in the future (when it's written, debugged, and * tested), *all* the docs will install into a variant of * .../doc/_./. Symlinks will be used to * ensure that this approach allows an admin to be 100% compatible * with the current mechanism, while affording those admins that want * it to be more flexible. * * Yes, this is a change, but I guarantee that when this change does * happen that the default will be to ensure that any symlinks necessary * for compatability will be retained. The admin will have to make * conscious changes to break compatability. Um, that's the same thing. We are objecting to the eventual goal in item 2, and 1 _as the preparation for 2_. We have already tried the symlinks approach when we moved stuff from ja_JP.EUC to ja. It was a disaster. There are so many systems out there where it would break (what if both directories already exist?). What we learned was that it is near impossible to convert an existing system seamlessly. Docs should stay where they are, where people and ports expect them to be, and symlinks added for additional names -- not the other way around. Note that the whole locale directory issue is not that of the doc project alone. There are manuals, ports, and web pages (and god knows how many third party software and scripts that have been written according to our old convention). Unless you want the doc project stuff to be inconsistent with the rest of FreeBSD, you need to realize that this problem is much bigger and deeper than you think. That said, I won't object if your eventual goal will allow a per-language *default* in directory names. For instance, if we can put "LANGSUBDIR ?= ja" in ja_JP.eucJP/Makefile to have all the Japanese documents install in the "ja" subdir by default (and have symlinks pointing to there from ja_JP.eucJP or whatever), that is fine for me. Each language/territory can choose their own default (maybe most of them will just want it to be the same as the repository name, although I have a hunch that Mandarin folks will prefer "zh" or "zh_CN" -- but don't quote me on this) that makes the most sense to them. *IF* some Japanese sysadmin really wants to install both eucJP and SJIS variants of docs on their system for whatever reason, they can override that variable and take their risk. But if you insist on installing Japanese docs by default by ja_JP.eucJP with the option by site overrides, we are strongly against it. As Konno-san said, it doesn't make sense from a Japanese user's standpoint, and it will make maintenance of other parts of the system (ports, web pages, etc.) a nightmare. * N * -- * --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- * --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- * --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 17:40:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D71914D3D for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:40:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (Hamilton-ppp44827.sympatico.ca [206.172.76.20]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21923; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA05143; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:07:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:07:56 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Nick Hibma Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: more links to freensd-doc Message-ID: <19990625200756.B1851@mad> References: <377332B3.935D94F0@jrc.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <377332B3.935D94F0@jrc.it>; from Nick Hibma on Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:41:40AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:41:40AM +0200, Nick Hibma wrote: > > It would produce probably a lot of 'bug' fixes for the handbook if it > would be present at the bottom of every page, at least in the online > version. s/'bug' fixes/mis-emailed questions/ -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 25 17:41: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2106114DA1; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (Hamilton-ppp44827.sympatico.ca [206.172.76.20]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20678; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA05162; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:21:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:21:17 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: John Polstra Cc: Nik Clayton , jdp@freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, doc@freebsd.org, Jun Kuriyama , Motoyuki Konno Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation Message-ID: <19990625202117.C1851@mad> References: <19990625120831.H15628@lehman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from John Polstra on Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:55:16AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:55:16AM -0700, John Polstra wrote: > > - When you're happy with your local copy, you tar it up and give it > to me. This also gives the Japanese doc team a chance to look it over before the change is finalized, just to make sure everyone understands what is happening... -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 0: 9:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC570154EA; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:09:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA11058; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:14:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:14:30 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp, nclayton@lehman.com, kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation Message-ID: <19990626011430.A71532@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <67622.930333696@zippy.cdrom.com> <199906252232.PAA04362@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199906252232.PAA04362@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami on Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 03:32:05PM -0700 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 03:32:05PM -0700, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > That said, *if* we need them all to look uniform, I propose we use > <_territory> (as I said before). None of the examples Nik > stated show why we need the <.codeset> part. Unicode. ja_JP.eucJP ja_JP.unicode[1] en_US.iso-8859-1 en_US.unicode zh_TW.Big5 zh_CN.EUC zh_TW.unicode zh_CN.unicode Some of you might consider Unicode a bit of a strawman argument, because it's a nebulous thing that's somewhere off in FreeBSD's future. So I'll also mention that ru_SU.CP866 ru_SU.KOI8-R doesn't fit in to your scheme. There are probably others as well, but it's 1:12 am, and I'm not going to hunt for them right now. N [1] $DEITY alone knows what the codeset name will be, so I'm guessing. And yes, there will certainly be some character sets where the unicode code points and the code points in one of the other encodings coincide. In situations like this, .unicode (or whatever) acts effectively as an alias for the other encoding (or vice versa). Murphy's law dictates that there will be at least one language encoding for which this won't hold true. So I'm covering that base now as well, just in case. -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 0:10:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B51D14CB1; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA14399; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:42:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:42:03 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami Cc: nclayton@lehman.com, motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation Message-ID: <19990626014203.B71532@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <57461.930305624@zippy.cdrom.com> <199906251220.VAA22552@sakura.snipe.rim.or.jp> <19990625150942.K15628@lehman.com> <199906252311.QAA04505@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199906252311.QAA04505@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami on Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 04:11:03PM -0700 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 04:11:03PM -0700, Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > (Have you seen /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale?) I have. It could be clearer. * How many distinct languages are catered for in that directory? There's no way to tell. * It's incredibly inconsistent. Look at en_US.utf/ US English, probably ja/ Japanese, but which encoding? ja.JIS/ JIS encoding, so the previous one is probably EUC ko/ Korean, presumably EUC encoding koi8-r/ Which language is this? Korean? No, this directory probably contains Russian info, because koi8-r is a Russian encoding. zh/ Chinese, but which encoding? zh_TW/ Presumably Big5 encoding, but why isn't the previous one zh_CN? All those questions. Anyone wanting to work in that directory has to answer them for themselves, and because there's no consistency, you can't explain it with simple rules. I like simple rules. They're easy to document, they're easy to explain, and they don't scare away potential documentors. I'm looking to make the doc/ repository as clear and as simple to understand as possible, without sacrificing functionality that we already have. > * Just to make this completely clear; > * > * 1. After making the change I am proposing, the Japanese documentation > * will *still* install into a .../doc/ja/ directory. > * > * No change. > * > * 2. At some point in the future (when it's written, debugged, and > * tested), *all* the docs will install into a variant of > * .../doc/_./. Symlinks will be used to > * ensure that this approach allows an admin to be 100% compatible > * with the current mechanism, while affording those admins that want > * it to be more flexible. > * > * Yes, this is a change, but I guarantee that when this change does > * happen that the default will be to ensure that any symlinks necessary > * for compatability will be retained. The admin will have to make > * conscious changes to break compatability. > > Um, that's the same thing. We are objecting to the eventual goal in > item 2, and 1 _as the preparation for 2_. > > We have already tried the symlinks approach when we moved stuff from > ja_JP.EUC to ja. It was a disaster. More details (or pointers to English language mailing list archives with this discussion in) would be appreciated, thanks. > There are so many systems out > there where it would break (what if both directories already exist?). Firstly, it shouldn't do, as the doc/ tree installs (by default) in to /usr/share, and I was under the impression that the ports docs, by default, install in to /usr/local/share/doc (or whatever the admin's set ${PREFIX} to (or whichever variable it is). There shouldn't be a clash -- I'm not changing where the ports docs install in to, nor am I proposing to. And in the second case we do what we usually do when we make changes that can potentially break things -- we write HEADS UP notices to the appropriate mailing lists, we make the patches available for review and comment first, and (if this does turn out to be as involved as you think) I (and others) can spend the extra time writing a FAQ for people to refer to. > What we learned was that it is near impossible to convert an existing > system seamlessly. Docs should stay where they are, where people and > ports expect them to be, and symlinks added for additional names -- > not the other way around. Fine. My system has lots of ports docs installed in /usr/local/share/doc, and none in /usr/share/doc/ The only stuff in /usr/share/doc is either in the src/ or doc/ repositories. And yes, I know that foreign language manual pages install directly under /usr/share/. Perhaps it should be /usr/local/share/man instead? Or the manpath can be set in /etc/manpath.config as necessary, and for the cutover period (defined, say, as the time between two major versions of FreeBSD) we can include both paths in manpath.config to minimise (or eliminate) any pain. > Note that the whole locale directory issue is not that of the doc > project alone. There are manuals, ports, and web pages (and god knows > how many third party software and scripts that have been written > according to our old convention). Unless you want the doc project > stuff to be inconsistent with the rest of FreeBSD, you need to realize > that this problem is much bigger and deeper than you think. Yes. However, if we tried to tackle everything at once we'd get swamped, it would never be co-ordinated, and it wouldn't happen. I'm trying to break off a chunk of the problem and tackle it in my area of competence (to wit, the FDP). As and when this happens, the ports team can watch how we did it, look at the benefits it provides to the end user, and decide if and when you want to adopt the same approach. You might want to, you might not. And as for 'inconsistent with FreeBSD'. To my mind the term "FreeBSD" in this context applied to three things "FreeBSD - the source", "FreeBSD - the ports", and "FreeBSD - the docs". Of those three entities (or Trinity, if you will, I've just come back from seeing _The Matrix_ for the first time, excellent film, if you're reading this in the UK and haven't seen it yet, go and do so), "FreeBSD - the source" already uses the _. scheme (c.f., /usr/share/locale). I'm trying to move the docs to the same scheme, which if anything is making things more consistent, not less. > That said, I won't object if your eventual goal will allow a > per-language *default* in directory names. For instance, if we can > put "LANGSUBDIR ?= ja" in ja_JP.eucJP/Makefile to have all the > Japanese documents install in the "ja" subdir by default (and have > symlinks pointing to there from ja_JP.eucJP or whatever), that is fine > for me. Each language/territory can choose their own default (maybe > most of them will just want it to be the same as the repository name, > although I have a hunch that Mandarin folks will prefer "zh" or > "zh_CN" -- but don't quote me on this) that makes the most sense to > them. Yes. I want to allow this flexibility. In my mind, a sysadmin is likely to want to install the docs in to a canonical location, and then symlink to this location from other, possibly friendlier, directory names. As an admin myself, I'd want the canonical location to be as precise as possible, and have the symlinks be less precise. Which is why I'd suggest the canonical location be 'ja_JP.eucJP' (or whatever) and the symlinks be 'ja'. Other admins (e.g., you) might want this reversed, and have the canonical directory be 'ja', and the symlinks be things like 'ja_JP.eucJP'. I have no problem with this, and the arguments about which approach should be the default (6 or 12 months down the line) are likely to more entertaining than "vi vs. Emacs" :-) N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 1:20: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC7D1524D for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA03966; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906260820.BAA03966@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: docs/12359: mailto tag for listname@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: Sheldon Hearn Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/12359; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Sheldon Hearn To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/12359: mailto tag for listname@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:15:46 +0200 Would the diff below suffice, or do we need some fancy SGML crap? Ciao, Sheldon. Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en/handbook/eresources/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.13 diff -u -d -r1.13 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 1999/06/20 21:19:07 1.13 +++ chapter.sgml 1999/06/26 08:12:26 @@ -339,7 +339,7 @@ All mailing lists live on FreeBSD.ORG, so to post to a given list you simply mail to - listname@FreeBSD.ORG. It + <listname@FreeBSD.ORG>. It will then be redistributed to mailing list members world-wide. To subscribe to a list, send mail to &a.majordomo; and include To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 1:33:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8832214E66; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:33:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA18039; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:32:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca44-84.ix.netcom.com(209.111.212.212) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018037; Sat Jun 26 03:32:22 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id BAA35862; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906260832.BAA35862@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Cc: nclayton@lehman.com, motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org In-reply-to: <19990626014203.B71532@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> (message from Nik Clayton on Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:42:03 +0100) Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) References: <57461.930305624@zippy.cdrom.com> <199906251220.VAA22552@sakura.snipe.rim.or.jp> <19990625150942.K15628@lehman.com> <199906252311.QAA04505@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990626014203.B71532@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * From: Nik Clayton * > That said, I won't object if your eventual goal will allow a * > per-language *default* in directory names. For instance, if we can * > put "LANGSUBDIR ?= ja" in ja_JP.eucJP/Makefile to have all the * > Japanese documents install in the "ja" subdir by default (and have * > symlinks pointing to there from ja_JP.eucJP or whatever), that is fine * > for me. Each language/territory can choose their own default (maybe * > most of them will just want it to be the same as the repository name, * > although I have a hunch that Mandarin folks will prefer "zh" or * > "zh_CN" -- but don't quote me on this) that makes the most sense to * > them. * * Yes. I want to allow this flexibility. In my mind, a sysadmin is likely * to want to install the docs in to a canonical location, and then symlink * to this location from other, possibly friendlier, directory names. Yes, in your mind. That's now how it works for people who deal with Japanese. * As an admin myself, I'd want the canonical location to be as precise as * possible, and have the symlinks be less precise. Which is why I'd suggest * the canonical location be 'ja_JP.eucJP' (or whatever) and the symlinks be * 'ja'. Other admins (e.g., you) might want this reversed, and have the * canonical directory be 'ja', and the symlinks be things like 'ja_JP.eucJP'. * * I have no problem with this, and the arguments about which approach should * be the default (6 or 12 months down the line) are likely to more * entertaining than "vi vs. Emacs" :-) Well, as long as you let the Japanese people decide what the default's going to be for Japanese stuff, I'm fine. :) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 2:35:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DAA14BE9 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:35:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hibma@skylink.it) Received: from heidi.plazza.it (va-161.skylink.it [194.185.55.161]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23172; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:35:14 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.plazza.it [127.0.0.1]) by heidi.plazza.it (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00519; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:35:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:35:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@heidi.plazza.it Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: more links to freensd-doc In-Reply-To: <19990625200756.B1851@mad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > It would produce probably a lot of 'bug' fixes for the handbook if it > > would be present at the bottom of every page, at least in the online > > version. > > s/'bug' fixes/mis-emailed questions/ No, that's not quite what I meant. Hitting the button at the bottom of the page to mention some kind of problem on the page is easier than figuring out a place at all to send remarks to. At least from me freebsd-docs would have seen more than one fix or addition if it would be hit and run. Nick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 3:36:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7CB14E8E; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:36:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA19870; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 05:35:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca44-84.ix.netcom.com(209.111.212.212) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019862; Sat Jun 26 05:34:56 1999 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.6.9) id DAA36197; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906261034.DAA36197@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk, nclayton@lehman.com, motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, jdp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199906260832.BAA35862@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> (asami@FreeBSD.ORG) Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) References: <57461.930305624@zippy.cdrom.com> <199906251220.VAA22552@sakura.snipe.rim.or.jp> <19990625150942.K15628@lehman.com> <199906252311.QAA04505@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990626014203.B71532@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <199906260832.BAA35862@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) Typo typo.... * * Yes. I want to allow this flexibility. In my mind, a sysadmin is likely * * to want to install the docs in to a canonical location, and then symlink * * to this location from other, possibly friendlier, directory names. * * Yes, in your mind. That's now how it works for people who deal with ^^^not * Japanese. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 6:35: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2839714EE9 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 06:34:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18372.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.52]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05578; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA60747; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:32:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:32:27 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Nick Hibma Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: more links to freensd-doc Message-ID: <19990626093227.A60674@mad> References: <19990625200756.B1851@mad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Nick Hibma on Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 11:35:30AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 11:35:30AM +0200, Nick Hibma wrote: > > > It would produce probably a lot of 'bug' fixes for the handbook if it > > > would be present at the bottom of every page, at least in the online > > > version. Well, whoever adds a mailto:doc link at the bottom of every page had better also add a mailto:questions link at the bottom of every page. -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 7:15:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C3E14D5C for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hibma@skylink.it) Received: from heidi.plazza.it (va-165.skylink.it [194.185.55.165]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28267; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:15:05 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.plazza.it [127.0.0.1]) by heidi.plazza.it (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01238; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:15:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:15:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@heidi.plazza.it Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: more links to freensd-doc In-Reply-To: <19990626093227.A60674@mad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > It would produce probably a lot of 'bug' fixes for the handbook if it > > > > would be present at the bottom of every page, at least in the online > > > > version. > > Well, whoever adds a mailto:doc link at the bottom of every page had > better also add a mailto:questions link at the bottom of every page. That sounds sensible yes. In any case, the advantage of the web is that you can refer to other things, like people, mailing lists, pagesm, etc. and that should be used if possible IMHO. Nick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 12:10:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9C41504B; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id VAA11269; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:10:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from w@localhost) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) id UAA02238; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:52:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from w) Message-ID: <19990626205205.55151@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:52:05 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: John Polstra , Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami Cc: freebsd-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation References: <199906240812.BAA57382@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from John Polstra on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 01:43:24PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1999-06-24 13:43:24 -0700, John Polstra wrote: > Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > > * At some point this weekend (to be decided by CVS Rep. Manager John Polstra) > > * the doc/ repository will be frozen. It will then be moved aside, and a > > * new doc/ repository created. > > * > > * All the English documentation from the old repository will be copied in to > > * its new location in the tree, retaining all the CVS logs, revision > > * histories, and so on. > > * > > * This will be carried out by John. > > > > Are you sure this will work? As I remember, you can't really "move > > aside" an old repository -- people who have the stuff checked out will > > have their cvs updates scream at them. But if John says it's ok, I > > have no problem with that. > > What I actually said was, "I should be able to take a look in detail > this weekend and hopefully do it." In other words, I haven't yet > had time to figure out exactly what Nik wants to do or whether it's > OK. Nik caught us at a time when all the repository managers are very > busy, and that's just the way things go sometimes. For me it's likely > to last through the summer at least. Smaller scale requests are much > easier to fit in than large scale requests, and this is the biggest > restructuring I've ever seen. I'm busy too for the next months. I don't have the time to fix the web pages after a repository copy. If someone will break the web pages he has to fix the pages himself or I will freeze the web server. I did the last restructuring of the web server. It was a lot of work. repository copy: guess a 1/2 day for John fixing Makefiles and links: 1 1/2 days for me observing the error log files and other bugs: 1 day for me fixing the non-english pages: guess 2 days In summary, 5 working days ... The FDP reorganisation is much larger. Does we have one week manpower for free? Or one month?? I doubt ... We will pay a high price for a low benefit. The world is not perfect and FreeBSD is not perfect. We should not try to implement an ideal world and fix all problems of languages, dialects, character sets at once. For example, it is evil to type: $ cvs co doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1 if you can do it with $ cvs co doc/en Renaming 'en_US.ISO_8859-1' to 'en' makes the life of a developer only harder. I know the english language use ISO_8859-1, why the hell should I type it every time I checkout the english documentation?! Wolfram > Satoshi is right about "moving aside" the old repository -- it can't > be done that way. One can copy things (after removing or renaming > their tags) and one can "cvs rm" things, but one cannot in general > delete things from the repository. > > Frankly, I've seen enough objections to various aspects of the plan > that I don't want to touch it until they're resolved. My job is to > fix things in the repository and implement plans that others have > agreed upon. I'm not qualified to set policy in the doc tree, so you > folks are going to have to work that out first. If you can't come to > a resolution that satisfies the interested persons, then you're going > to have to try appealing to the core team for a decision. > > John -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 13:31:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3584150B4; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18395.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.75]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05941; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA63202; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:31:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:31:38 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: John Polstra , Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami , freebsd-tech-jp@jp.freebsd.org, freebsd-translate@ngo.org.uk, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Resolution: FDP reorganisation Message-ID: <19990626163138.B63129@mad> References: <199906240812.BAA57382@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990626205205.55151@panke.de.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990626205205.55151@panke.de.freebsd.org>; from Wolfram Schneider on Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 08:52:05PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 08:52:05PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > For example, it is evil to type: > $ cvs co doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1 > > if you can do it with > $ cvs co doc/en Okay, really here... cvs co docs-en It's easy enough to add a tag to CVSROOT/modules. -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 15:52:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6620414EF2 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.148]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAED4 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:52:52 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18600 for doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:47:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:47:25 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: porting,html glitch Message-ID: <19990627004724.D18321@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Shouldn't this in porting.html: Store the directory structure in a new file. # (cd /var/tmp/port-name && find * \! -type d) > OLD-DIRS be: Store the directory structure in a new file. # (cd /var/tmp/port-name && find * -type d) > OLD-DIRS ? Also: # mtree -U -f /etc/mtree/BSD.local.dist -d -e -p /var/tmp/port-name Shouldn't this be preceeded by a mkdir of port-name? And shouldn't: # make install PREFIX=/var/tmp in fact be: # make install PREFIX=/var/tmp/port-name ? Just want to verify with ye all before I diff -U and send-pr it ;) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The *BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist *BSD: We are back and will not accept no... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 16:13:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from leap.innerx.net (leap.innerx.net [38.179.176.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1098E15198 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:13:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (ip112.houston3.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.169.112]) by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0220337081; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA79454; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:12:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:12:21 -0500 From: Chris Costello To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: porting,html glitch Message-ID: <19990626181221.D68075@holly.dyndns.org> Reply-To: chris@calldei.com References: <19990627004724.D18321@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: <19990627004724.D18321@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Sun, Jun 27, 1999 at 12:47:25AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 26, 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > Just want to verify with ye all before I diff -U and send-pr it ;) Hopefully you mean the sgml equivalent of porting.html! -- Chris Costello Computer Science: solving today's problems tomorrow. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 26 17:30:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61DF14CA9; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA68958; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199906270030.RAA68958@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dada@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at, mpp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/11607: RLIMIT_MEMLOCK not implemented Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: RLIMIT_MEMLOCK not implemented State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: mpp State-Changed-When: Sat Jun 26 17:29:17 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: The man page was updated to reflect that mlock/munlock can only be called by the super-user and the we do not currently support per-process limits via the RLIMIT_MEMLOCK mechanism. 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