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Date:      Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:02:48 +0000 (GMT)
From:      William Palfreman <william@palfreman.com>
To:        Paul Robinson <paul@iconoplex.co.uk>
Cc:        Darren Henderson <darren@nighttide.net>, FreeBSD Chat <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: jive (was RE: was this really necessary?)
Message-ID:  <20030225164633.P318@ndhn.yna.cnyserzna.pbz>
In-Reply-To: <IPEDKJGCDFHOPEFKLIDHMENCCCAA.paul@iconoplex.co.uk>
References:  <IPEDKJGCDFHOPEFKLIDHMENCCCAA.paul@iconoplex.co.uk>

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On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Paul Robinson wrote:

> Actually, the history of jive is an interesting one. If I remember
> correctly, the Legion of Doom created to make fun of another hacking group
> that they hated called Masters of Deception. LoD was composed mostly of
> white middle-class kids whose parents would buy them the latest and greatest
> hardware they asked for. MoD had to make do with scrabbling around for bits
> of kit in bins and were generally C64 freaks at the time. I'm sure that the
> fact that they were all Afro-Carribean didn't come into.
>
> In other words, jive owes it's existence to a desire of white middle-class
> pricks to make fun of black working-class kids.

Oh, you have got to be kidding.  The amount of rubbish written on this
list.  I have never seen an ethnically homogenous hacker-group.  I don't
believe they exist.  Hacking, and computers generally, transcends race.
Now, Intel hardware and games consoles are owned by all different kinds
of people.  Then, C64s and, frankly, every other kind of hardware, also
didn't not have a racial basis to it.  You would have to be completely
crazy to imagine that skin colour has _anything_, at all, to do with
computers.  You are talking about a technology, merit driven industry,
not some government quango where you might be able to get away with this
kind of fact-free attention seeking.

-- 
W. Palfreman. 			I'm looking for a job:
Tel: 0771 355 0354		http://www.palfreman.com/william/ for my CV.

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