Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 04:58:16 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy <peterjeremy@acm.org> To: "Svein Skogen (listmail account)" <svein-listmail@stillbilde.net> Cc: arch@freebsd.org, Sergey Vinogradov <boogie@lazybytes.org>, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tmux(1) in base Message-ID: <20090923185816.GB26192@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <4AB9EAE7.6090108@stillbilde.net> References: <20090921112657.GW95398@hoeg.nl> <20090922135435.36a3d40e@lazybytes.org> <864oqu1urm.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090923132036.57767deb@lazybytes.org> <4AB9EAE7.6090108@stillbilde.net>
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--wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm particurly impressed at the striped red and blue paint that has been liberally applied to the shed. On 2009-Sep-23 11:31:19 +0200, "Svein Skogen (listmail account)" <svein-lis= tmail@stillbilde.net> wrote: >Sergey Vinogradov wrote: >> don't propose zsh(1) replacing sh(1). I just think it would be handy to >> have zsh(1) in the base system. Not replacing sh(1), but as one >> more piece of software. I personally use zsh as my interactive shell but I don't think it belongs in the base system. IMHO, the base system only needs a single, POSIX-compliant shell - so it is already over-endowed. >Wouldn't that bring back (among others) perl into the base? I seem to >remember there was some effort spent on removing that a while ago... There were two main reasons for removing perl: 1) Perl was undergoing rapid development at a rate that was not compatible with the FreeBSD release schedule - so the base version of perl was out-of-date. 2) The FreeBSD base system must be able to be cross-built (this is needed to support upgrading even within the same architecture). Perl is not intended to be cross-built and the effort involved in shoe-horning it into the buildworld process was becoming too onerous - especially since it needed to be reworked for each new perl release. As for tmux(1) vs screen(1) vs window(1): I don't see any compelling reason for any of these to belong in the base system. (And, if you rely solely on the pkg-descr for those tools, there doesn't appear to be any need for those tools at all unless you are using a real glass TTY on a headless system. Talking to people who use them, it appears that the only useful feature in screen/tmux isn't mentioned in the pkg-descr). --=20 Peter Jeremy --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkq6b8gACgkQ/opHv/APuIdTFACfcLXWLkeBnwUMd0mC7TCWIUb1 nvsAn39vpjwAncSb3jAbqdmUQvr6GtLj =rAL1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wzJLGUyc3ArbnUjN--
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