Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:24:18 +1000 From: "Craig Williamson (ENZ)" <craig.williamson@ericsson.co.nz> To: "'Diablo Rojo'" <diablo_rojo@rol.ro> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: i read a list of ATA ... Message-ID: <A238222A1695D311B41300508B102DC804D53C90@enzwnnt001.epa.ericsson.se>
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Hi Again,
The reason why Microsoft software has better support for your
hardware is because they have a lot more support from the hardware
manufacturers. You have to realise that MS may dictate what the ATA133
would look like and they right their kernel because of that. Alternatively,
Intel could send MS the specs for the 845G so that MS has the support for it
when the chipset is released.
It is no fault of the developers that certain aspects of newer
hardware won't work correctly. They just have to figure out how the chipset
works and program the kernel accordingly.
A good test of this would be to load Windows95 (or even MS-DOS)
onto it and see if the hardware gets picked up from that. Hope this helps.
-----Original Message-----
From: Diablo Rojo [mailto:diablo_rojo@rol.ro]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2002 11:08 a.m.
To: Craig Williamson (ENZ)
Subject: Re: i read a list of ATA ...
Well i were thinking that but weren't sure, i used redhat default 2.4.18-3
kernel and didn't worked.
Tnx for forwarding this email, also i still seen before the return of your
email many reports the same problem it gives me at www.google.com/linux
<http://www.google.com/linux>; at search for 845G like hdparm -d1 /dev/hda ;
dma enable failed assuming idebus 33 mhz, things like this.Well if you find
that in bsd 4.6.1 the problem is fixed pls email me, to know if i can use
it. tnx. Also i searched on many distro pages to see if they have somehow
suport suport for this chipset and didn't found any result... thought they
modyfied the kernel a little bit like RH adding a little more suport than
the original 2.4.18 kenrel . but i still wonder why ?! windows XP one year
old didn't made any problems!? do he haves a better written kernel.
Goodbye,
Diablo Rojo[eXistenZ]
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Williamson (ENZ) <mailto:craig.williamson@ericsson.co.nz>
To: 'Diablo Rojo' <mailto:diablo_rojo@rol.ro>
Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG <mailto:freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:51 AM
Subject: RE: i read a list of ATA ...
Hello Diablo
First of all, its best if you sent it to the entire mailing list, not just
one person. That way you can get more input for your problem. I've
forwarded it so you can get more responses.
Redhat 7.3 uses the Linux 2.4.18 kernel by default. With RedHat did you
compile a new kernel or use the default one? The same applies for FreeBSD.
Did you use the default kernel or did you compile your own. If you have
tried these, the hardware maybe too new for the OSes. Then I would suggest
waiting until the next FreeBSD (4.7/5.0?) comes out and try that (same with
Linux)
Hope that this helps.
-----Original Message-----
From: Diablo Rojo [mailto:diablo_rojo@rol.ro]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2002 10:35 a.m.
To: Craig Williamson (ENZ)
Subject: i read a list of ATA ...
will bsd know my chipset and WDC 120 GB hard-disk and work at full speed not
at 16 mb\s at was written on a document for unknown chipsets , my chipset is
845G and motherboard is http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bv/
<http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bv/>;
will bsd know this hardware and will work at least well, because a linux
distro didn't knewed it [rh73 ] which is a few month old and had 2mb\s
transfer
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=157021600-31072002>Hi
Again,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=157021600-31072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=157021600-31072002>
The reason why Microsoft software has better support for your hardware is
because they have a lot more support from the hardware manufacturers. You
have to realise that MS may dictate what the ATA133 would look like and they
right their kernel because of that. Alternatively, Intel could send
MS the specs for the 845G so that MS has the support for it when the
chipset is released.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=157021600-31072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=157021600-31072002>
It is no fault of the developers that certain aspects of newer hardware won't
work correctly. They just have to figure out how the chipset works and
program the kernel accordingly.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=157021600-31072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=157021600-31072002>
A good test of this would be to load Windows95 (or even MS-DOS) onto it and
see if the hardware gets picked up from that. Hope this
helps.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Diablo Rojo
[mailto:diablo_rojo@rol.ro]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 31 July 2002 11:08
a.m.<BR><B>To:</B> Craig Williamson (ENZ)<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: i read a list
of ATA ...<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well i were thinking that but weren't sure, i
used redhat default 2.4.18-3 kernel and didn't worked.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tnx for forwarding this email, also i still seen
before the return of your email many reports the same problem it gives me at
<A href="http://www.google.com/linux">www.google.com/linux</A>; at search for
845G like hdparm -d1 /dev/hda ; dma enable failed assuming idebus 33 mhz,
things like this.Well if you find that in bsd 4.6.1 the problem is fixed pls
email me, to know if i can use it. tnx. Also i searched on many distro pages
to see if they have somehow suport suport for this chipset and didn't found
any result... thought they modyfied the kernel a little bit like RH
adding a little more suport than the original 2.4.18 kenrel . but i still
wonder why ?! windows XP one year old didn't made any problems!? do he haves a
better written kernel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
Goodbye,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
Diablo Rojo[eXistenZ]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:craig.williamson@ericsson.co.nz"
title=craig.williamson@ericsson.co.nz>Craig Williamson (ENZ)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:diablo_rojo@rol.ro"
title=diablo_rojo@rol.ro>'Diablo Rojo'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG"
title=freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:51
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: i read a list of ATA
...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313383922-30072002>Hello Diablo</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313383922-30072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313383922-30072002>First of all, its best if you sent it to the entire
mailing list, not just one person. That way you can get more input for
your problem. I've forwarded it so you can get more
responses.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313383922-30072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313383922-30072002>Redhat 7.3 uses the Linux 2.4.18 kernel by
default. With RedHat did you compile a new kernel or use the default
one? The same applies for FreeBSD. Did you use the default
kernel or did you compile your own. If you have tried these, the
hardware maybe too new for the OSes. Then I would suggest waiting
until the next FreeBSD (4.7/5.0?) comes out and try that (same with
Linux)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313383922-30072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=313383922-30072002>Hope that this helps.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Diablo Rojo
[mailto:diablo_rojo@rol.ro]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 31 July 2002 10:35
a.m.<BR><B>To:</B> Craig Williamson (ENZ)<BR><B>Subject:</B> i read a list
of ATA ...<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>will bsd know my chipset and WDC 120 GB
hard-disk and work at full speed not at 16 mb\s at was written on a
document for unknown chipsets , my chipset is 845G and motherboard is <A
href="http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bv/">http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bv/</A></FONT></DIV>;
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> will bsd know this
hardware and will work at least well, because a linux distro didn't knewed
it [rh73 ] which is a few month old and had 2mb\s
transfer</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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