From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Wed Feb 20 17:11:43 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B7A14F9A4C; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 17:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F8BB89788; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 17:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id x1KHBeLC016159; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 09:11:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id x1KHBeiQ016158; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 09:11:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201902201711.x1KHBeiQ016158@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: svn commit: r344316 - head/sys/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/fs/zfs In-Reply-To: <1235DF70-2954-4421-9CF3-AA0538B24720@gmail.com> To: Enji Cooper Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 09:11:40 -0800 (PST) CC: Alexey Dokuchaev , Shawn Webb , Pawel Jakub Dawidek , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org Reply-To: rgrimes@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3F8BB89788 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.959,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 17:11:44 -0000 > > On Feb 19, 2019, at 23:56, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 06:43:28PM -0500, Shawn Webb wrote: > >> At the risk of painting a bikeshed a lovely color of neon purple, I'm > >> curious about if/how these types of commits get merged upstream to > >> (OpenZFS|Illumos|ZFS On Linux|where ever ZFS upstream is now|I'm very > >> confused|is anyone else confused where upstream is?). > >> > >> Who is upstream? Is work like this going to remain as a downstream > >> patch to ZFS? Or is FreeBSD going to work to upstream this type of > >> work? > > > > I've always felt that we should've become upstream to everyone else > > the moment we knew Oracle would eat Sun (20 April 2009), and never > > understood why it didn't happen and now, ten years later, we're talking > > about ZFS on fucking Linux becoming our upstream. Something'd got very > > wrong here and I'd like to know what and why. > > As others have pointed out, FreeBSD has less developer inertia than Linux, > and there are (seemingly) less developers or interested parties in running > an openindiana based stack. > > Also: better OS support for other general purpose infrastructure/usecases > with items like multitenancy via containerization/CGroups2, Java, etc, > and mindshare around this and other things. > > The only thing really holding ZoL back in Linux is the fact that (due > to licensing) it won?t ever be in the Linux kernel. One can personally link ZoL into your own kernel, and a company/corporate can even do this and run it on 1000's of servers, you just can not distribute it to anyone else, which in the end is not really a big deal, unless your in the Linux distribution business. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org