From owner-freebsd-net Wed Feb 19 14:20:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 931) id 8C44937B401; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:20:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:20:55 -0600 From: Juli Mallett To: Petri Helenius Cc: Garrett Wollman , "Joseph T. Klein" , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: support of iso networking Message-ID: <20030219162055.A32342@FreeBSD.org> References: <5C61A316-4450-11D7-A4C1-003065BA9B36@titania.net> <041c01c2d863$ed9ac3e0$932a40c1@PHE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <041c01c2d863$ed9ac3e0$932a40c1@PHE>; from pete@he.iki.fi on Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:12:00AM +0200 Organisation: The FreeBSD Project X-Alternate-Addresses: , , , , X-Towel: Yes X-LiveJournal: flata, jmallett X-Negacore: Yes X-Title: Code Maven Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * De: Petri Helenius [ Data: 2003-02-19 ] [ Subjecte: Re: support of iso networking ] > > On the other hand the NetBSD folks don't see it as dead weight > > and systems that may need to talk with core routers that use > > IS-IS end up on other platforms. > > > > Perhaps this is why Arbor uses NetBSD. > > > > It should be noted that hardly anything qualifies as "dead weight" on operating > system that runs on your toaster, car stereo and washing machine not to mention > old computers. > > There are different tools for different tasks and the quest for "there should be only one" > is futile. > > The most significant router vendor using an open source OS is based on > FreeBSD anyway so there should be no reason for shame. Any company which is going to have to modify an operating system to run on their routers who ignores an operating system with a reputable network stack merely because it lacks in-tree support for a particular protocol isn't worth hte money. There are plenty of good ones out there who, in addition to maintaining large amounts of local support diffs for FreeBSD, also maintain netccitt or netiso or netns or whatever suits the market they're selling for. Hell, if they turn it down simply for lack of a network stack, then they probably simply aren't willing to do anything but minor maintainence to "keep it running" so what's the point for us? They're probably making at least a few of their sales for having it around. Heck, there are probably more people attached to FreeBSD on pc98 than to netiso or .... I'm willing to say that because hey look it's been at least moderately well maintained, and kept up with most moves forward, except for the wd(4) stuff, though I think I heard someone talking about hiding wd, simply to get people to actually find and fix the bugs in ad on pc98. In short: Yeah, exactly :) juli, who's afraid her rants may be the equal of someone else's far too soon. -- Juli Mallett - AIM: BSDFlata -- IRC: juli on EFnet OpenDarwin, Mono, FreeBSD Developer - ircd-hybrid Developer, EFnet addict FreeBSD on MIPS-Anything on FreeBSD - Never trust an ELF, COFF or Mach-O! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message