From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 14:18:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED321065670; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:18:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A108FC0A; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1SapAK-000277-AU>; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:18:52 +0200 Received: from e178028047.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.28.47] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1SapAK-0003I3-4L>; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:18:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA20C5.6010901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:18:45 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120601 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, "freebs >> Current FreeBSD" References: <1405746.nVtAo183hi@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FC9FECC.8090703@digsys.bg> <3303845.JjFTmctz7f@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FCA0B5F.5010500@digsys.bg> In-Reply-To: <4FCA0B5F.5010500@digsys.bg> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6C9D05CF3E895DC8132BFEBD" X-Originating-IP: 85.178.28.47 Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:18:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6C9D05CF3E895DC8132BFEBD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/02/12 14:47, Daniel Kalchev wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: >> I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving >> during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back >> solution. >> >> Or do I see this really too simple? >=20 > The ports tree is a moving target during release periods still, althoug= h > there are efforts to make movements smaller. This is why, after a > release it suddenly moves more :) >=20 > Daniel Even IF the ports tree IS a moving target, updating of UPDATING, for instance, follows most times AFTER the critical ports has been changed/updated and folks started updating their ports without realizing that they have shot themselfs into the foot! Since I'm with FreeBSD, StarOffice, OpenOffice and even now LibreOffice is a MESS! If you need to keep up with STABLE, in most cases due to modern hardware (*), binary packages are NOT provided or if so, they won't work due to some incompatibilities. I witnessed those cases several times and at this moment, our four remaining FreeBSD servers and my personal desktop as well as my private box are rendered "unusable" in terms of having no LibreOffice since it doesn't compile anymore on FreeBSD 9-STABLE/amd64 and 10-CURRENT/amd64. At the moment, this mess is introduced with a new PNG library. And we are updating on "life" machines, that means, they are not freshly installed, they have been maintained for several months now. Very often, when compalining about this, I get responses from people installing then the critical software in a virtual machine and/or on newly setup boxes. That doesn't reflect the way the systems have to be maintained. Well, one may argue with me about "server" and "desktop". Comparing Linux (several distros) with FreeBSd and Windows makes the limited adavntages of FreeBSD getting rendered neglegible. We need PowerPoint or a similar office product for presentations, I'm getting strangled by students when using LaTeX and "beamer" or "PowerDot". The pressure from the Windows world is large. (*) It might be true that FreeBSD runs well on older hardware. But when I order hardware from the budget I get, I do not want myself buying outdated hardware. --------------enig6C9D05CF3E895DC8132BFEBD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPyiDLAAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8cO4H/RNOzxyHSC3QVwIxvBYtNocc vJGlYqwPSyVJfi7tqvtMDAp4fsmSlG9/YW5kMaOIvyHrk+PkHXLU9mUeVAhPEnZH PUoVfRp2HbB1CBPFTErAKoMJIO3+T+Eo+d/Vk2bl/sY5a8FyuVjs5kLoUOrEQH9U xYRRwX6PqfQUpkgutgJu3KRCsR8u9sNA3StLJkw0NPDxeTkzXepFtoyd0KWRxxoE 5rMmo3Yaqkf3VRRXhXMzVTApTTqL0R7Nd/bUyxlkVlvFEMDrBzMCVZvPlkMpuq26 znJbOJ9g/HVKD3RxX6rkzxsL36O5n1Fd3BvBYQrl3rmrjUXL/VUna/l21tJhD2o= =2IDx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6C9D05CF3E895DC8132BFEBD--