From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 6 04:01:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FF9415; Sun, 6 Oct 2013 04:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCC44253A; Sun, 6 Oct 2013 04:01:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=Sj05mrLKt6xGQZjp4qoFdRoeMkwlpV42/RscBvID23s=; b=SdXkenp93yM49xMEipGww6l0Tz5n0rTVra77iyrnqG6UKOAw2qyhhBY3Kk8PtTOHTabA0eS9yH7+VX0qglMnosk1Kax2fEzwLurGgdZdXZ1BdTwdLR+u0kiWU0CA+ckTOj4L3c6lyuonvveNNjS6eWrwG0zIMLTxa7/AuzKM4xQ=; Received: from [182.9.140.79] (port=12862 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VSfXB-003E1k-25; Sat, 05 Oct 2013 22:01:34 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 12:01:17 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: About FreeBSD.org visitors Message-ID: <20131006120117.183b20ce@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: <201310031535.r93FZ6D1095088@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <20131003153825.GB1581@oldfaithful.bebik.local> <5250BA2E.3030409@FreeBSD.org> <20131006102955.4191e4a4@X220.ovitrap.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, koobs@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 04:01:35 -0000 Hi, On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 23:37:52 -0400 Eitan Adler wrote: > On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Erich Dollansky > wrote: > >> Among other things, marking actions on pages with GA labels will > >> differentiate many of these cases from the pathological and begins > >> to place 'our user goals' *first* as the primary definition of > >> success. > >> > >> You cant manage or improve what you dont measure. > > > > I disagree here. A website is not a piece of engineering. > > Yes it is. Of a different type. this type is called 'design'. As an engineer I do the software behind an website but I do not dare to make the design. Ok, I tell the designer, when I think the design could be improved but I do not dare th change it myself. Erich