From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 27 00:36:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA18512 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 27 May 1996 00:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA18490 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 00:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cesium.clock.org (cesium.clock.org [17.255.4.43]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id AAA27874 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 00:20:45 -0700 Received: by cesium.clock.org id <119171-29766>; Mon, 27 May 1996 00:20:42 -0800 From: Sean Doran To: dennis@etinc.com Subject: Re: The view from here (was Re: ISDN Compression Load on CPU) Cc: hackers@Freebsd.org Message-Id: <96May27.002042pdt.119171-29766+24@cesium.clock.org> Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 00:20:34 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@Freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Dennis writes: | your (ridiculous) allusion to the "Sun Sparc" is a clear indication | that you just dont get it. Actually, I only mention this because the largest dialup ISP in the U.K. (and quite likely all of Europe) use Sun SPARCs running NetBSD as routers, and in the NetBSD world make much of this whenever the word Cisco is mentioned. I wonder if the irony of you attacking their position as ridiculous is lost on you if you haven't seen any of the Demon folks discussing *NIX boxes vs. dedicated routers. I also wonder if you have looked at pricing out a SPARC system vs a comparably high-end built-for-reliability PC lately, particularly outside of North America or in the face of bulk and educational discounting schemes. Probably not, since I have the feeling that you have pretty heavy PC blinders on, and might not agree that there are non-PC workstations of many flavours which make perfectly adequate IPv4 routers running a freely available OS with source code. Maybe this is because you sell a product which seems to be designed for PCs, and aren't aware of alternative systems -- some with more than 32 bits and much better price/performance ratios as mid-to-high-end routers in comparison with dedicated counterparts than one can get out of high-end PCs. Of course, now that you've correctly identified me as someone who just doesn't get it, I think I shall happily point out (again) that I was largely agreeing with you about the dedicated router vs. *NIX low-end argument, but correcting your rather seriously mistaken assertions about Cisco's IOS and mid-end-and-up dedicated routers. I think that if you do some slight digging you might find out that with respect to cisco products, I generally do know what I'm talking about. Sean. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP Public Key in ftp://ftp.sprintlink.net/engineer/smd/pgpkey iQCVAwUBMalXdUSWYarrFs6xAQHyKAP8DwGb6ghBNdEqVqoJmqU4Hz5u9TLaPEhu n6UT5aaH0O1SWNOjOujNx4HFKoLtaIqyEBXxM7lgwUFXoo/cDxMJhU7r1r6P4a6m bOyq3eaPgTUNGLl7L/rwWJHzEDj/soueVHmtDb/gsfMlhYIdiQYiwMujyeyUac5Y 1UKmMFNdiQo= =6PLq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----