From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 25 10:35:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE21F37B41E; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A7443FDD; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:35:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5PHZ7br014115; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5PHZ7di014114; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:35:07 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Josef Karthauser , Ken Smith , Daniel Lang , freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030625173507.GB12736@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030624173337.GD11784@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <7m7k7b564w.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030625011941.GB26111@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030625061059.GB3446@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030625071704.GB1478@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030625081018.GC3446@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030625140931.GA8427@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030625142848.GM39194@isnic.is> <20030625152443.GA9860@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030625171159.GC59760@genius.tao.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030625171159.GC59760@genius.tao.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: DRAFT - DNS Admin Guide X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:35:12 -0000 On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 06:11:59PM +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: > Ok, here's another thought then. I've been running the uk.FreeBSD.org > name space for many years. We've currently got a handful of web, cvsup > and ftp mirrors. We also have a number of other entries in the DNS to > handle local servers (storm.uk.freebsd.org) and local email > user@uk.freebsd.org as well as a subdomain that the UK FreeBSD user > group use. If uk.FreeBSD.org gets sucked back into a central administration > am I going to get the same level of support for changes to the name > space as we do at the moment, or will we be forced to drop our "extra" > stuff because we're the only ones that do it? IMO this would be one of the things that would prompt dnsadm@ to do a delegation, and it's what I meant by making these decisions on the merits of DNS issues instead of other issues. In this scenario either: - you be one of the recipients of all mail sent to dnsadm@ and you act on anything coming in for uk.freebsd.org. The list of people allowed to make valid requests is very short (the www, cvsup, and ftp coordinators) so you have relatively little checking to do. - the folks who do receive dnsadm@ email know you're handling uk.freebsd.org and bump any requests for that to you Which of those is best depends on things like volume of email to dnsadm@ and that sort of thing, sorry I don't know if that's an issue or not. Your request to take over the delegation would be exactly analogous to a site making the request to become a mirror site to the mirror site coordinator, though in this case it is dnsadm@ who are viewed as the coordinator. They decide if you seem to know what you are doing, if you seem to have the necessary infrastructure, and they set up what they view to be the proper set of procedures for the communication amongst you all. If you do not live up to your responsibilities they revoke the delegation (sorry, I'm not suggesting you would). The "extras" you provide are not FreeBSD.org-wide by definition so the fact there is no central flow for those things is a non-issue and the folks who expect the extras are by definition beholden to you for them. You are a case where there is a strong regional organization and I don't think there is a need for you to suffer but at the same time I don't think places that do not have a strong regional organization should be ignored. And, again sorry but you offered to be an example, if you were to disappear uk.freebsd.org simply gets sucked back into the central nameservers with zero other issues needing to be addressed. They'd even presumably have a file resulting from a zone transfer that could become the master file if for some reason your disappearance was so sudden there was no warning at all. Since you don't exist any more the extras you were providing also disappear but that's to be expected. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel |